GAA Infastructure

kksaints · 18-05-2020 10:24PM

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Casement (like most things up north) has been distorted by politics and other nonsense, soccer and rugby got stadiums redeveloped and the GAA was happy to take the NI Exe money to get a new stadium for themselves. The plans were over the top and again influenced by other factors (GAA needing a big/better stadium than soccer and rugby, etc.) I don't think you would find anyone who wouldn't say the whole thing is a cluster**** from start to finish but the same situation doesn't exist anywhere else. I really don't thing there are stadiums "many in the pipeline to be redeveloped, most with completely illogical and completely useless plans", that pipeline ended a long time ago. You refer to a plan for CP in Ennis but that is long dead and a more modest redevelopment happened.

Nobody is trying to justify the money spent on the stand in McHale Park but unless you have a time machine, we can't change it. This is what I was talking about with the "I wouldn't start from here" answer. Unless you want to knock the lot and rebuild like some Bundesliga stadium, we have live with what we have. In the majority of cases, replacing a stand is all that can realistically achievable in terms of big investment and patching up whatever else is there. Whatever else is generally a terrace and once it complies with basic standards it will suffice. You seem fixated on capacity, in most stadiums the capacity comes from the terraces, demolishing a terrace to rebuild a smaller terrace just to get to a capacity you agree with is madness. The existing capacity costs nothing, even if it isn't used.

The likes of Semple and GG have the capacity they have and reducing them would involve tearing down the stadium, the very thing you said you weren't advocating. Both could do with replacing a stand in the next decade but that wouldn't make a big difference to overall capacity. I am saying any new stand should focus on providing top facilities at the expense of capacity but either would still be 40+. If you want to substantially reduce capacity, you are rebuilding almost the entire stadium, that makes absolutely no sense.

I think most County Boards have moved on from the big project plans of the Celtic Tiger years, you don't seem to have. You are the one talking about new professional team stadiums which cost €20m. The reality is smaller investments on individual stands are what will be happening going forward.

Not necessary true, as there can be maintenance costs even if they are not used.

Interestingly some football clubs have actually reduced capacity in their stadiums to improve atmosphere and provide a better quality stadium to their fans. Juventus have done this with their new stadium and Inter and AC Milan are planning to do this with the San Siro redevelopment/New Stadium. Roma and Lazio also have plans for new smaller stadiums then the one they're currently in.

kksaints · 18-05-2020 10:26PM

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

One thing that I really dislike about the Gaelic Grounds is the absence of a 'back' on the seats in the stand. I think it might be the only stand I have seen that in. A small thing but irritates the hell out of me!

Most of the main stand in Wexford Park is benches with no back and the uncovered stand is just concrete benches. Some GAA stadiums do not provide much in the way of comfort with regards to seats.

TCDStudent1 · 18-05-2020 10:57PM

kksaints wrote: »

Most of the main stand in Wexford Park is benches with no back and the uncovered stand is just concrete benches. Some GAA stadiums do not provide much in the way of comfort with regards to seats.

Aah Wexford park is one the few grounds I have not made it to.

ShamNNspace · 19-05-2020 12:08AM

A thought just struck me there.. With all the gaa pitches lying idle would it be a money generating idea for a club to hold a drive in cinema experience with a series of classics showing on a giant screen.. Guess it wouldn't be feasible with insurance and having to protect the playing surface

Pete_Cavan · 19-05-2020 06:29AM

kksaints wrote: »

Not necessary true, as there can be maintenance costs even if they are not used.

Interestingly some football clubs have actually reduced capacity in their stadiums to improve atmosphere and provide a better quality stadium to their fans. Juventus have done this with their new stadium and Inter and AC Milan are planning to do this with the San Siro redevelopment/New Stadium. Roma and Lazio also have plans for new smaller stadiums then the one they're currently in.

Maintenance costs will remain with any replacement stand/stadium so they just have to be accepted. The maintenance costs for a concrete terrace are pretty low anyway and not really related to the capacity of the stand.

The Italian clubs want to own their own stadiums and get out of the municipal stadiums which are not financially beneficial for them. Most are large stadiums with running tracks built ahead of Italia 90. The municipality who own them generally spend the minimum on the stadium, they just want to collect rent. The clubs want to control their own stadiums where they keep all the revenue and generate additional revenues. The smaller size is also influenced by smaller attendances, lower construction costs and the fact that other revenue streams are available beyond the ticket cost from food/drink/merchandise. It is not relevant to GAA stadiums.

threeball · 19-05-2020 01:45PM

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Casement (like most things up north) has been distorted by politics and other nonsense, soccer and rugby got stadiums redeveloped and the GAA was happy to take the NI Exe money to get a new stadium for themselves. The plans were over the top and again influenced by other factors (GAA needing a big/better stadium than soccer and rugby, etc.) I don't think you would find anyone who wouldn't say the whole thing is a cluster**** from start to finish but the same situation doesn't exist anywhere else. I really don't thing there are stadiums "many in the pipeline to be redeveloped, most with completely illogical and completely useless plans", that pipeline ended a long time ago. You refer to a plan for CP in Ennis but that is long dead and a more modest redevelopment happened.

Nobody is trying to justify the money spent on the stand in McHale Park but unless you have a time machine, we can't change it. This is what I was talking about with the "I wouldn't start from here" answer. Unless you want to knock the lot and rebuild like some Bundesliga stadium, we have live with what we have. In the majority of cases, replacing a stand is all that can realistically achievable in terms of big investment and patching up whatever else is there. Whatever else is generally a terrace and once it complies with basic standards it will suffice. You seem fixated on capacity, in most stadiums the capacity comes from the terraces, demolishing a terrace to rebuild a smaller terrace just to get to a capacity you agree with is madness. The existing capacity costs nothing, even if it isn't used.

The likes of Semple and GG have the capacity they have and reducing them would involve tearing down the stadium, the very thing you said you weren't advocating. Both could do with replacing a stand in the next decade but that wouldn't make a big difference to overall capacity. I am saying any new stand should focus on providing top facilities at the expense of capacity but either would still be 40+. If you want to substantially reduce capacity, you are rebuilding almost the entire stadium, that makes absolutely no sense.

I think most County Boards have moved on from the big project plans of the Celtic Tiger years, you don't seem to have. You are the one talking about new professional team stadiums which cost €20m. The reality is smaller investments on individual stands are what will be happening going forward.

How do you explain the bolded bit. If I have any existing stand thats crappy and holds 15000 people, surely when I renovate it I should build a smaller stand with better facilities, as the ground evolves if there is a sound plan in plan you end up with a properly sized stadium with proper infrastructure. Its not rocket science.

Pete_Cavan · 19-05-2020 09:02PM

threeball wrote: »

How do you explain the bolded bit. If I have any existing stand thats crappy and holds 15000 people, surely when I renovate it I should build a smaller stand with better facilities, as the ground evolves if there is a sound plan in plan you end up with a properly sized stadium with proper infrastructure. Its not rocket science.

I don't think there are any 15,000 seater stands apart from CP and PUC, the main stand in Semple might be close but any others will be a good bit smaller. Yes capacity could be reduced when replacing a crappy stand but if it is the main stand in a stadium you will want to accommodate a certain number. If you are providing player facilities, medical area, media facilities, CB office space, etc. you need a structure a of a certain size.

What time period are you talking about the ground evolving over? In most stadiums terracing provides the bulk of the capacity. Terraces are basically large masses of concrete, they last a very long time and can be repaired or sections replaced at low cost if necessary. Most terraces will continue to suffice for a very long time to come. The sound plan you refer to will be on the go for a very long time before you get to your properly sized stadium, in the meantime the existing size will do with facility upgrades. Properly sized stadium with proper infrastructure will cost a lot more than existing size with proper infrastructure. Its not rocket science.

BloodyBill · 19-05-2020 09:22PM

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

I don't think there are any 15,000 seater stands apart from CP and PUC, the main stand in Semple might be close but any others will be a good bit smaller. Yes capacity could be reduced when replacing a crappy stand but if it is the main stand in a stadium you will want to accommodate a certain number. If you are providing player facilities, medical area, media facilities, CB office space, etc. you need a structure a of a certain size.

What time period are you talking about the ground evolving over? In most stadiums terracing provides the bulk of the capacity. Terraces are basically large masses of concrete, they last a very long time and can be repaired or sections replaced at low cost if necessary. Most terraces will continue to suffice for a very long time to come. The sound plan you refer to will be on the go for a very long time before you get to your properly sized stadium, in the meantime the existing size will do with facility upgrades. Properly sized stadium with proper infrastructure will cost a lot more than existing size with proper infrastructure. Its not rocket science.

The Gaelic grounds has 12,000 seats in the uncovered stand. Terraces are perfect for the GAA. The revenue generated from food and drink and merchandise needs to be developed in all GAA stadiums. However if we think we ll ever be able to match billion dollar stadiums in the USA then get real.. Weve toncut our cloth to suit

cson · 19-05-2020 09:50PM

Parc Y Scarlets was built in 2008 for £23 million.

15k seats, hospitality and good facilities.

That shouldn't be beyond us, I don't think anyone is expecting Leitrim to throw up a SoFi Stadium equivalent as you're suggesting.

CrabRevolution · 20-05-2020 10:46AM

cson wrote: »

Parc Y Scarlets was built in 2008 for £23 million.

15k seats, hospitality and good facilities.

That shouldn't be beyond us, I don't think anyone is expecting Leitrim to throw up a SoFi Stadium equivalent as you're suggesting.

Beyond who? Scale that up to GAA stadium size, add inflation etc. and you're talking €30 Million+ What county could afford that, even with grants and government funding? What would the payback be?

That's before we even get to the fact every county apparently needs a similar stadium.

I'd advise everyone throwing up these random foreign stadia to look at the plans for Páirc Tailteann. A GAA project planned in Ireland in the modern day with Irish prices. Phase 1 consists of floodlight installation and the construction of a new stand and dressing rooms without hospitality/ concessions etc. It's not even intended to be the main stand.

The cost for that-just 1 phase covering 1 side of the stadium- is estimated at €12.6 Million and will actually reduce our capacity. And there's more expensive stages to come. The overall project will be about €40 Million if it's ever completed, and would be a pretty modest functional stadium of 20'000.

Lads throwing up examples of expensive smaller stadia built by professional sporting bodies in other countries, at 15 years ago's prices, then saying "Every county needs one of these, and it could be built for pocket change" really have no grasp of the reality of these things.

Pete_Cavan · 20-05-2020 10:58AM

cson wrote: »

Parc Y Scarlets was built in 2008 for £23 million.

15k seats, hospitality and good facilities.

That shouldn't be beyond us, I don't think anyone is expecting Leitrim to throw up a SoFi Stadium equivalent as you're suggesting.

The business case for PYS was guaranteed mid-teens number of home games every year where they were expecting ~10k attendance, GAA don't have that. It has also hosted a few soccer matches. Attendances for Scarlets have been very disappointing, if they could do it all again I'm sure they would scale it back.

Factor in demolition costs, inflation and the additional length of enclosing a GAA pitch. Look at the project costs for Meath, Kildare and Waterford stands under LSSIF Stream 2. For St Conleths - Construction of a new 3000 seated stand including changing facilities and public toilets. Installation of floodlighting, upgrade works to pitch including a new playing surface - cost €10.5m. The vast majority of that cost is the stand. Those type of stand replacements are once off projects and required a substantial amount of taxpayer money. No CB will have the money to build such a stand and then build another similar stand on the other side. To think CBs can build something like PYS, even over the course of 20 years, is fantasy.

My point is, if a CB can get the money can be gotten together for a new stand, they are doing very well. They won't get the money together for another stand, nevermind three more. You might get a LSSIF grant once, but you won't be getting another. Existing terraces will just remain, the cost has already been incurred and it will cost more to demolish and build something else. Adequate toilets/shops can be provided behind for a fraction of the cost of a new stand. How you think I am suggesting "Leitrim to throw up a SoFi Stadium equivalent" is beyond me, your PYS suggestion is much closer to that.

BloodyBill · 20-05-2020 12:56PM

Theres some sense being spoken here. The only thing every county should have are a good set of Floodlights. Not the ones for training at clubs. A proper set is about 1.5million I think. The stadiums are a red herring at this stage. Crowds are going to be down post Wuhan virus. Consolidation is the word. The GAA wont have the cash to even contemplate upgrades.
Has anyone even mention Croke Park. It's getting old and starting to look abit tatty. I'd rather see money being put into its upkeep rather than we let it deteriorate and rebuild it in 20 years.

yabadabado · 20-05-2020 01:48PM

A high standard of pitch and proper floodlights should be at every county ground.To get the very best set up it would be 2m to 3m .

Proper players ,supporters and media facilities are needed,some of the facilities are downright disgraceful.

Its alright saying build a new stand etc but these aren't used enough or near capacity often enough to plough 15m + into them.

Some lower cost upgrades would make a huge difference to grounds especially in the winter without plunging county boards into huge debt.

Boom__Boom · 20-05-2020 04:56PM

Since Pairc Ui Chaoimh reopened the highest attendance at a GAA match there has been 34,607 at Cork v Limerick in 2018.

There's only been 2 other GAA games in PuC where the attendence has been over 30,000 - 31,753 at Wexford v Waterford in 2017 and 30,274 at Cork v Tipperary in 2017.

Capacity is 45,000 since the re-development and it's been open almost 4 years at this stage.

How much would Cork GAA have saved if they built a 35,000 seater as opposed to a 45,000 seater?

CrabRevolution · 20-05-2020 05:18PM

Boom__Boom wrote: »

Since Pairc Ui Chaoimh reopened the highest attendance at a GAA match there has been 34,607 at Cork v Limerick in 2018.

There's only been 2 other GAA games in PuC where the attendence has been over 30,000 - 31,753 at Wexford v Waterford in 2017 and 30,274 at Cork v Tipperary in 2017.

Capacity is 45,000 since the re-development and it's been open almost 4 years at this stage.

How much would Cork GAA have saved if they built a 35,000 seater as opposed to a 45,000 seater?

They'd hardly have entertained the notion, considering they were talking about hosting yearly sellout concerts and All Ireland Semi Finals.

threeball · 20-05-2020 05:43PM

BloodyBill wrote: »

The Gaelic grounds has 12,000 seats in the uncovered stand. Terraces are perfect for the GAA. The revenue generated from food and drink and merchandise needs to be developed in all GAA stadiums. However if we think we ll ever be able to match billion dollar stadiums in the USA then get real.. Weve toncut our cloth to suit

See this is the kind of crap post that always turns up in a thread like this. I thow up an example of the doncaster stadium which could be with or without terrace, its up to the county. That somehow has now been translated into a billion dollar stadium like they have in america and we need to get real. I think theres only one person who needs to get real when they introduce an argument like this.

threeball · 20-05-2020 05:53PM

Boom__Boom wrote: »

Since Pairc Ui Chaoimh reopened the highest attendance at a GAA match there has been 34,607 at Cork v Limerick in 2018.

There's only been 2 other GAA games in PuC where the attendence has been over 30,000 - 31,753 at Wexford v Waterford in 2017 and 30,274 at Cork v Tipperary in 2017.

Capacity is 45,000 since the re-development and it's been open almost 4 years at this stage.

How much would Cork GAA have saved if they built a 35,000 seater as opposed to a 45,000 seater?

Or even a 25k stadium. Its obvious it wasn't needed. Building a stadium to cater for the once in a blue moon event is the way things are done. Lads are denying its happening here yet its still going on. Cork shouldn't even have built a 20k stadium in my opinion given the use it gets. 90 million pissed away and a county that's struggling to get back to the top table in hurling never mind football. Absolutely nuts.

There is no divine right for every fair weather supporter to get a ticket for big matches. It would generate more interest and revenue if there was a scarcity mindset and people actually had to plan to get tickets rather than rocking up on the day on a whim. Meath building 20k is another waste of money. When has there ever been 20k at a meath league game. 10k is more than big enough. Kildare too.

Boom__Boom · 20-05-2020 07:49PM

CrabRevolution wrote: »

They'd hardly have entertained the notion, considering they were talking about hosting yearly sellout concerts and All Ireland Semi Finals.

Majority of the people at a concert would be on the pitch so a 35k seater stadium would have made no difference there.

The talk of holding All-Ireland semis in Pairc Ui Chaoimh was pie-in-the-sky stuff given the long-term corporate boxes deals in Croke Park.

The thing is it's very hard to see a situation where Pairc Ui Chaoimh ever gets a sell-out for a GAA match. The only possibility I can see is if demand for a double-header gets massively misjudged and there's some reason the two games aren't split on a Saturday/Sunday basis

threeball wrote: »

Building a stadium to cater for the once in a blue moon event is the way things are done. Lads are denying its happening here yet its still going on.

I'll be shocked if the same thing doesn't end up happening with Casement in the North - it's a complete mess already and there are clearly people on the Ulster Council who want capacity as big as possible no matter what.

CK22 · 20-05-2020 08:42PM

BloodyBill wrote: »

Has anyone even mention Croke Park. It's getting old and starting to look abit tatty. I'd rather see money being put into its upkeep rather than we let it deteriorate and rebuild it in 20 years.

Couldn’t agree more. Look Croker still is excellent but yeah it’s starting to look a bit old in recent years. Hogan seats are very discoloured and the odd few new replaced seats on the upper do stand out. I saw a picture of the whole stadium about 10 years ago and the seats look very well. Always found the shops area of the upper stands a horrible place to be when it’s a bad day. Rain pouring in on top of you etc. Just always thought if there was some sort of protection behind the upper stands and replace the seats things would be better. Not even like a whole new wall but even like some plexi glass or something. Other than those small cosmetic issues its still a quality stadium. I’ve been to some huge stadiums in Europe and even they have cosmetic issues. Nou Camp, Old Trafford and Celtic Park would spring to mind.

yabadabado · 20-05-2020 09:09PM

Those 3 stadiums you mentioned are all in worse shape than Croker.Only really cosmetic stuff in Croker imo ,those 3 need a lot more imo.

Pete_Cavan · 21-05-2020 08:44AM

threeball wrote: »

Or even a 25k stadium. Its obvious it wasn't needed. Building a stadium to cater for the once in a blue moon event is the way things are done. Lads are denying its happening here yet its still going on. Cork shouldn't even have built a 20k stadium in my opinion given the use it gets. 90 million pissed away and a county that's struggling to get back to the top table in hurling never mind football. Absolutely nuts.

There is no divine right for every fair weather supporter to get a ticket for big matches. It would generate more interest and revenue if there was a scarcity mindset and people actually had to plan to get tickets rather than rocking up on the day on a whim. Meath building 20k is another waste of money. When has there ever been 20k at a meath league game. 10k is more than big enough. Kildare too.

PUC isn't relevant elsewhere because nowhere else will an entirely new stadium but built, CBs will have to work with whats there. The only major construction works to happen in the next couple of years are new 3-4k stands for Meath, Kildare and Waterford and they will only proceed due to substantial subsidies from the taxpayer. Again, terraces provide the bulk of capacity but nobody has the money to knock an existing terrace and build a smaller one, that costs more money than just leaving the existing one.

You need to get over your obsession with capacity. You mentioned CP in Ennis earlier and their boom time plans to build a 40k stadium which were never realistic. What has actually happen since is they redeveloped the main stand for €2.5m. They now have a decent 19k capacity stadium. Is that capacity too high; possibly - does that matter; no, the bulk of capacity cost next to nothing as it was being provided by existing terraces. They still have that capacity and also have a decent main stand with proper facilities at low cost. Your Doncaster suggestion would cost at least ten times the price, that is just not feasible. Most counties can do similar and provide reasonably good facilities at relatively low cost by working with what they have, that is the future for CBs.

Everyone know that Meath will be lucky to build one new stand at PT. After that, they might add small terraces behind the goals at some point in the future to replace the unusable grass banks but thats about all that will happen. Meath CB seem to be the only ones who think a 20k stadium with all new stands is realistic. Some stands like those in PT, St Conleths, etc need to be replaced to provide proper facilities for players and fans but once the main stand is of a certain standard, there just isn't going to be the money to built more new stands at any ground.

Pete_Cavan · 21-05-2020 08:48AM

Boom__Boom wrote: »

I'll be shocked if the same thing doesn't end up happening with Casement in the North - it's a complete mess already and there are clearly people on the Ulster Council who want capacity as big as possible no matter what.

From last years Annual Report

The reformation of the Northern Executive has already put Casement Park back in the spotlight as it awaits a grant of planning permission. With inevitable increases in this stadium’s construction cost base, the Association’s ability to meet this project's financial demands will require further debate on the use of our finite resources.

Looks to me like the top brass know Casement isn't going to go ahead and they won't be allowing another PUC situation to happen.

mountgomery burns · 21-05-2020 10:31AM

I'd say a lot of those projects will be pushed out a few years

The_Kew_Tour · 21-05-2020 10:35AM

Take it from someone who knows how hard this will hit the Development of Cork GAA.

Don’t waste your time.

If anything get basics right. Few extra decent pitches and good facilities for players and work from there.

threeball · 13-10-2020 08:16PM

Casement gets the go ahead. Another white elephant and mill stone round the GAA's neck. Absolutely banana that they would commit funds to this project. When was the last time there was 30k at an Antrim GAA match never mind building a stadium that will be used even less than PUC. At least other counties don't mind playing in PUC, nobody in Ulster wants to travel to Belfast for a game. The last place didn't go to rack and ruin because it was overused.

Pogue eile · 13-10-2020 10:45PM

threeball wrote: »

Casement gets the go ahead. Another white elephant and mill stone round the GAA's neck. Absolutely banana that they would commit funds to this project. When was the last time there was 30k at an Antrim GAA match never mind building a stadium that will be used even less than PUC. At least other counties don't mind playing in PUC, nobody in Ulster wants to travel to Belfast for a game. The last place didn't go to rack and ruin because it was overused.

Luckily enough the hierarchy in our organisation realise that the GAA is for all its members and not just the elite and the big traditional counties in the 26 counties. Pumping money into existing powerhouses while ignoring others achieves nothing only a tiered and divided organisation.

threeball · 13-10-2020 11:28PM

Pogue eile wrote: »

Luckily enough the hierarchy in our organisation realise that the GAA is for all its members and not just the elite and the big traditional counties in the 26 counties. Pumping money into existing powerhouses while ignoring others achieves nothing only a tiered and divided organisation.

So the hierarchy in their wisdom are just as capable of pissing money up against the wall in the 6 counties as they are in the 26 is what you're saying.

Pete_Cavan · 14-10-2020 07:05AM

Despite comments from Horan yesterday, I don't think the GAA are interested in having a big stadium in Belfast and the costs involved after what happened with PUC. Last years Annual Report, under Capital Investment & Grants;

The 2019 numbers continue to show the 15 year write down of our
€20m investment in Páirc Uí Chaoimh. As mentioned in more detail in the Ard Stiúrthóir’s report, Páirc Uí Chaoimh’s completion presents a significant financial risk for the Association. Built significantly over budget and with current bank borrowings of €21.5m, the repayment of this loan will prove challenging for the Cork County Committee and its stadium companies.

...

This new loan support funding currently stands at €10.5m and is fully repayable by Cork. Combined with the above referenced bank borrowings, both loans total €32m and repayment of loans at this level is unsustainable by any county without some very hard and what may seem unpalatable measures, having to be put in place.

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The reformation of the Northern Executive has already put Casement Park back in the spotlight as it awaits a grant of planning permission. With inevitable increases in this stadium’s construction cost base, the Association’s ability to meet this project's financial demands will require further debate on the use of our finite resources.

That was before yesterdays announcement and before Covid hit the fan. I'd say the GAA would be quite happy for the Casement project to quietly disappear as they don't want that millstone around their neck as well. I can't see Casement going ahead anyway, yesterday's announcement is meaningless really, costs nothing to say you support a project but it will be very different when time comes to write the big cheque.

The GAA would be better off building a new main stand at St Tiernachs Park, similar to that planned at St Conleths.

threeball · 14-10-2020 08:58AM

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Despite comments from Horan yesterday, I don't think the GAA are interested in having a big stadium in Belfast and the costs involved after what happened with PUC. Last years Annual Report, under Capital Investment & Grants;

That was before yesterdays announcement and before Covid hit the fan. I'd say the GAA would be quite happy for the Casement project to quietly disappear as they don't want that millstone around their neck as well. I can't see Casement going ahead anyway, yesterday's announcement is meaningless really, costs nothing to say you support a project but it will be very different when time comes to write the big cheque.

The GAA would be better off building a new main stand at St Tiernachs Park, similar to that planned at St Conleths.

I hope it never gets off the ground. Its not just the build costs of these places, the upkeep is absolutely crippling too. If anyone were to do an ROI analysis of these stadiums they'd point anyone who sanctioned them towards the funny farm.

As you say, upgrade Clones and throw 2 or 3 million in to match the NI executive and let Antrim build a nice small ground similar to the athletic grounds in Armagh.

Pogue eile · 14-10-2020 10:45AM

threeball wrote: »

So the hierarchy in their wisdom are just as capable of pissing money up against the wall in the 6 counties as they are in the 26 is what you're saying.

It's a 32 county organisation so yes that is exactly what I am saying! Has a cost-benefit analysis been done on all the stadia in the 26 counties that haven't been filled in the last 20 years?

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