Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

screamer · 12-10-2020 07:42AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I'm not believing this story that coronavirus hangs around for a month on bank notes and touchscreens. Maybe it does in lab but we were told a few times that it's mainly aerosol based transmission is the main problem.
Virus may remain infectious for up to four weeks on phone screens and banknotes.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/virus-may-remain-infectious-for-up-to-four-weeks-on-phone-screens-and-banknotes-39611599.html

It can survive for weeks in a freezer so I’d believe anything. It doesn’t do too well on porous surfaces like cardboard but seems to thrive on hard surfaces such as door handles. It’s definitely a strange one

drunkmonkey · 12-10-2020 07:47AM

screamer wrote: »

It can survive for weeks in a freezer so I’d believe anything. It doesn’t do too well on porous surfaces like cardboard but seems to thrive on hard surfaces such as door handles. It’s definitely a strange one

I don't understand how it doesn't survive on chilled meats and it's packaging for long though when it does so well on phones and bank notes.
It is an Australian study, one thing the independent probably didn't think of is Australia doesn't have paper notes it has plastic notes.

Widdensushi · 12-10-2020 07:49AM

screamer wrote: »

It can survive for weeks in a freezer so I’d believe anything. It doesn’t do too well on porous surfaces like cardboard but seems to thrive on hard surfaces such as door handles. It’s definitely a strange one

I will answer with same points as yesterday, it this was the case every one of the checkout staff at supermarkets would have gotten sick, they touch items that customers have touched multiple times and the last few months I have noticed that nearly every time I am queueing they have to touch a customers phone to do with the rewards apps, maybe the majority had it already and are immune, I doubt that though as surely some family members would have had symptoms.

screamer · 12-10-2020 07:50AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I don't understand how it doesn't survive on chilled meats and it's packaging for long though when it does so well on phones and bank notes.
It is an Australian study, one thing the independent probably didn't think of is Australia doesn't have paper notes it has plastic notes.

Could be, I think our notes wouldn’t support it as long as we’ve paper, but bank notes are generally filthy anyways. I know there was a European scientist who was doing extensive research on the half life of the virus on all different types of surfaces, I must see if I can dig that out. Being honest though, I’d not be surprised about it surging the cold very well, look at the outbreaks from the ski resorts last spring. It doesn’t auger well as temps drop.

screamer · 12-10-2020 07:53AM

Widdensushi wrote: »

I will answer with same points as yesterday, it this was the case every one of the checkout staff at supermarkets would have gotten sick, they touch items that customers have touched multiple times and the last few months I have noticed that nearly every time I am queueing they have to touch a customers phone to do with the rewards apps, maybe the majority had it already and are immune, I doubt that though as surely some family members would have had symptoms.

But only if they come into direct contact with the virus. Most of them are wearing gloves too, so I’m sure it’s far from perfect lab conditions for the virus.

Widdensushi · 12-10-2020 07:56AM

screamer wrote: »

But only if they come into direct contact with the virus. Most of them are wearing gloves too, so I’m sure it’s far from perfect lab conditions for the virus.

Some are wearing gloves, I am not sure if that is much better, most will adjust their mask, or face during work, of course they come in direct contact with the virus.

12-10-2020 07:56AM

screamer wrote: »

Could be, I think our notes wouldn’t support it as long as we’ve paper, but bank notes are generally filthy anyways. I know there was a European scientist who was doing extensive research on the half life of the virus on all different types of surfaces, I must see if I can dig that out. Being honest though, I’d not be surprised about it surging the cold very well, look at the outbreaks from the ski resorts last spring. It doesn’t auger well as temps drop.

Our banknotes are not in fact paper, they are cotton fibre

Pitch n Putt · 12-10-2020 07:58AM

MarkY91 wrote: »

Your mistake is comparing a country with a population of a billion people to a tiny little island with 5 people people. If you don't see how dumb that is then god help you.

Still it’s impressive to test an entire region of 9 million people in a week.

screamer · 12-10-2020 08:05AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Our banknotes are not in fact paper, they are cotton fibre

Ah, well you learn something new every day. Cotton would have good drying ability so I’d presume the virus would dry out faster on the notes and leave a lower viral load.

Here’s something from April that backs up that our bank notes harbour less germs than smooth surfaces like plastic
https://www.thelocal.de/20200428/euro-banknotes-safe-to-touch-despite-coronavirus
In a blog post, ECB executive board member Fabio Panetta said tests by European labs showed that the survival rate of coronaviruses is "10 to 100 higher" on a stainless steel surface, like a door handle, than on euro banknotes in the first few hours after contamination.

"Other analyses indicate that it is much more difficult for a virus to be transferred from porous surfaces such as cotton banknotes than from smooth surfaces like plastic," Panetta said.

Just shows the importance of hand hygiene and sanitising surfaces.

drunkmonkey · 12-10-2020 08:08AM

Widdensushi wrote: »

I will answer with same points as yesterday, it this was the case every one of the checkout staff at supermarkets would have gotten sick, they touch items that customers have touched multiple times and the last few months I have noticed that nearly every time I am queueing they have to touch a customers phone to do with the rewards apps, maybe the majority had it already and are immune, I doubt that though as surely some family members would have had symptoms.

When I was buying all the ppe at the start of this back in February I gave one of the older women a box of gloves, she ripped into me telling me to get a hold of myself that you won't catch it off money, handling money all her life and rarely gets sick. If there's one group that could have the t-cells it's them, there's no other group handles other people items as much like money and phones than retail staff.

12-10-2020 08:16AM

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Still it’s impressive to test an entire region of 9 million people in a week.

It would be the equivalent of us testing the entire population of Ennis in a week. China has the resources of a nation of 1.4 billion people, we have the resources of a country of 5 million. Of course they can mobilise efforts on a massively larger scale than we can

s1ippy · 12-10-2020 08:23AM

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Still it’s impressive to test an entire region of 9 million people in a week.

They should spend some of that money repairing the world economies they've decimated.

SeaBreezes · 12-10-2020 08:33AM

s1ippy wrote: »

They did a marvelous job of downplaying it before it got out of control in the beginning too and an even more brilliant job of suppressing whistleblowers. Superb job of lying about human transmission then and an excellent job of hiding deaths and after effects. But I think the best job has to be when they had the big parties to celebrate eradicating it even as the rest of the world still struggles. Nothing like getting kicked while we're down, dealing with a likely by-product of their overpopulation, lack of sanitation, food scarcity and disgusting practices (which still exist today).

I'm the furthest thing from a racist but if it weren't for China I wouldn't be having sleepless nights. I wouldn't be cut off from my family. I wouldn't be locked in this pattern of depression and pessimism about the future. I'd be able to see my granny who is about to die. I think it's fair to say that the government there deserve no positive press because the oppression and misery that comes with their totalitarian regime is the system that permitted all of this to happen to all of us.

Tbh their ongoing famines will likely overwhelm them before they manage to further ruin our part of the world but it seems to be an "us and them" situation and this bioterrorism needs to be called out for what it is before they perpetrate any further global atrocities.

Thanks. Remember they used to do a breakdown of setting about a day or two after figures. 10 in sports clubs, 600 in private homes etc. They're not able to keep up now seemingly as they've stopped it.

Im not a fan of the CCP. I remember seeing tweets of people being barricaded into their own homes in jan.

But, (deep breath)
The US was doing gain of function testing on bat coronaviruses in wuhan lab. They stopped the funding of this research in april. The virus is likely an accidental escapee.

All this fricking research, (airborne, attacks all organs, found in ns, brain) was published by the chinese researchers in fricking feb. I was attacked on here for repeating it and told to shut up and stop scaremongering.

They got it under control, and we, in our western hubris, ignored all previous research, and 6 months later, come to the exact same conclusions as we were warned in feb.

We had to learn the hard way.
And NZs rugby match? Is that rubbing it in too?

If we LISTENED and paid attention back in feb, instead of dismissing the whistleblowers and the research at the time maybe we'd be in a better situation now.

I mean, christ, Bruce Aylward from WHO tried to tell us too. They managed it really well, they shut down, test trace isolate. And we STILL didnt listen.

We had time to prep we didnt use.
We had research we choose to ignore.
We preferred not panicing people to action.
We knew it was coming and did nothing.

drunkmonkey · 12-10-2020 08:36AM

Deleted User wrote: »

It would be the equivalent of us testing the entire population of Ennis in a week. China has the resources of a nation of 1.4 billion people, we have the resources of a country of 5 million. Of course they can mobilise efforts on a massively larger scale than we can

We should look at blanket testing by county, we could test all Leitrim and Longford in 2.5 days, keep the crossing the county border rule but lift every single last mandate and restriction in those counties after 10 days.

stockshares · 12-10-2020 08:49AM

In case this wasn't posted earlier

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1315457198114459649?s=19

is_that_so · 12-10-2020 08:51AM

South Korea back to mandatory mask wearing from tomorrow, 97 new cases on Monday.

Pitch n Putt · 12-10-2020 08:53AM

Deleted User wrote: »

It would be the equivalent of us testing the entire population of Ennis in a week. China has the resources of a nation of 1.4 billion people, we have the resources of a country of 5 million. Of course they can mobilise efforts on a massively larger scale than we can

Do you think we’d organise testing the whole of Ennis in a week ......

:pac: Not a chance.

is_that_so · 12-10-2020 08:53AM

Here's another one of those studies of COVID surviving on surfaces - 28 days claim.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/12/virus-that-causes-covid-19-can-survive-up-to-28-days-on-surfaces-scientists-find

Boggles · 12-10-2020 08:53AM

Speaking of South Korea are we still trying to emulate their test and trace system, what chapter would the below advice be in I wonder?

Woman claims HSE told her to take a bus to her Covid-19 test

gmisk · 12-10-2020 08:57AM

stockshares wrote: »

In case this wasn't posted earlier

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1315457198114459649?s=19

BuT iTs JuSt A fLu?!?

is_that_so · 12-10-2020 08:58AM

gmisk wrote: »

BuT iTs JuSt A fLu?!?

Yeah, but just a BIG one!

ShyMets · 12-10-2020 09:01AM

Boggles wrote: »

Speaking of South Korea are we still trying to emulate their test and trace system, what chapter would the below advice be in I wonder?

Woman claims HSE told her to take a bus to her Covid-19 test

This has crossed my mind from time to time. What does someone do who needs to get tested but doesn't drive and doesn't live within walking distance of a test centre.

Their only options seem to be public transport or taxi both of which are potentially putting people at risk

drunkmonkey · 12-10-2020 09:01AM

stockshares wrote: »

In case this wasn't posted earlier

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1315457198114459649?s=19

Lower respiratory tract infections kill about 2.5 to 3 million people a year. Flu is just once source, Covid is another.
Cancer and Heart disease are still the biggest killers.

s1ippy · 12-10-2020 09:04AM

ShyMets wrote: »

This has crossed my mind from time to time. What does someone do who needs to get tested but doesn't drive and doesn't live within walking distance of a test centre.

Their only options seem to be public transport or taxi both of which are potentially putting people at risk

They used have ambulances come out and administer tests but they're fairly put upon at the moment based on the fact that I can hear sirens literally all day long from where I live on the outskirts of Cork City.

Kimbot · 12-10-2020 09:08AM

ShyMets wrote: »

This has crossed my mind from time to time. What does someone do who needs to get tested but doesn't drive and doesn't live within walking distance of a test centre.

Their only options seem to be public transport or taxi both of which are potentially putting people at risk

The ambulance service test at peoples homes so she could wait a couple of days if she isnt too bad.

ShyMets · 12-10-2020 09:09AM

s1ippy wrote: »

They used have ambulances come out and administer tests but they're fairly put upon at the moment based on the fact that I can hear sirens literally all day long from where I live on the outskirts of Cork City.

I remember hearing that. And I'm sure that service works when the volume of testing is low but considering the level of testing we're doing on a daily basis the ambulances can't provide that service.

It just means some people will have no choice to risk a bus or taxi

GooglePlus · 12-10-2020 09:11AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Lower respiratory tract infections kill about 2.5 to 3 million people a year. Flu is just once source, Covid is another.
Cancer and Heart disease are still the biggest killers.

In an alternate reality where locking down the world would put an end to cancer and heart disease, we'd be completely mad to lock down. If it wasn't for cancer and heart disease, our population growth would be even more unsustainable.

Necro · 12-10-2020 09:12AM

Boggles wrote:

Speaking of South Korea are we still trying to emulate their test and trace system, what chapter would the below advice be in I wonder?

Interestingly Sligo has a drive-thru centre too but I saw them take a walk in entry just yesterday (had to take wife and kids there as we had no other way). They had two special bays for them set up in the corner.

I found the whole test centre experience intriguing, the army were helping in the running of and testing process in our centre anyways.

Whatever about the tracing system which seems to be on its knees, our testing is top notch I have to say.

Kermit.de.frog · 12-10-2020 09:13AM

Everyone is focused on daily deaths but deaths are not the issue (for now).

The real question is the damage done to internal organs by simply having the disease whether displaying symptoms or not.

Unfortunately this is a far bigger problem than people over 80 dying.

There is no point counter arguing it's old people if you won't get the chance to be old yourself.

This is a pathogen that is very dangerous and I urge everyone to take all protective measures they can.

Sweet.Science · 12-10-2020 09:20AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Everyone is focused on daily deaths but deaths are not the issue (for now).

The real question is the damage done to internal organs by simply having the disease whether displaying symptoms or not.

Unfortunately this is a far bigger problem than people over 80 dying.

There is no point counter arguing it's old people if you won't get the chance to be old yourself.

This is a pathogen that is very dangerous and I urge everyone to take all protective measures they can.

Ok Tony

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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