Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

spookwoman · 12-10-2020 12:43AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

It's looking like Level 3 for Dublin has not stabilized, it's actually increasing :mad:
Slowly, but completely non sustainable.

The Dublin number on gov.ie iy looks like a typo.

Looks like another typo from the in-putter on gov.ie. :rolleyes:

Its down as 18,732 +331 but if you add yesterdays numbers
18,491 +241 you get 18,732 add 331 its 18,822.
It's terrible the amount of errors on the site, last Sunday was the worst I've ever seen with at least 11 errors like that. They actually redid the page it was that bad.

Wolf359f · 12-10-2020 12:45AM

spookwoman wrote: »

The Dublin number on gov.ie is looks like a typo.

Looks like another typo from the in-putter on gov.ie.

Its down as 18,732 +331 but if you add yesterdays numbers
18,491 +241 you get 18,732 add 331 its 18,822.
It's terrible the amount of errors on the site, last Sunday was the worst I've ever seen with at least 11 errors like that. They actually redid the page it was that bad.

Oh I've seen the total cases drop by 10,000 one day on the dashboard lol.
Obviously was a slip of the finger. But shows they are all manually entered.

spookwoman · 12-10-2020 12:47AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Oh I've seen the total cases drop by 10,000 one day on the dashboard lol.
Obviously was a slip of the finger. But shows they are all manually entered.

I swear whoever put the numbers in last week was on the booze!

Wolf359f · 12-10-2020 12:53AM

spookwoman wrote: »

I swear whoever put the numbers in last week was on the booze!

Aren't we all?

Wolf359f · 12-10-2020 12:58AM

The_Brood wrote: »

That is not how the virus works. It does not stay in one age group. The only difference with children is they apparently display fewer/not as heavy symptoms. You could have a massive amount of kids who never even knew they had the virus, infecting parents who then spread it to other adults, and then they get caught out with the virus.

The alternative is to consider that children have some kind of natural immunity not just to the effects, but to contracting the virus in the first place - something which every single medical study to date has rubbished.

You're assuming that the train of transmission is solely Child-> Child or Child -> Adult.
There's another.... Adult -> Child.
There's a higher chance of a child being infected by a adult than the other way around, same for child to child transmission. This is only up to ages ~10-12.
One would hope with secondary school students wearing masks it would mitigate it. But we only get an age range from 15-24, so that age demographic is harder to figure out.

mcsean2163 · 12-10-2020 01:14AM

virginmediapls wrote: »

It doesn't really need evidence IMO, it's common sense/science.

If you cough on another person, you're likely to spread the disease.
If you put people in close proximity, you're likely to spread the disease. This is especially true for kids who will be lax on mask-wearing and social distancing.

So you have hundreds of thousands of people meeting up, daily - making school by far the largest and longest gathering of people in the country, and they are more likely to be relaxed with preventative measures.

So I agree it's fair enough to state that maybe there isn't clear and direct evidence that schools are causing spread now. There will be though. It's just common sense/science. Corona isn't gonna be like "aww sheet man, these are just some kids - better leave 'em off".

Further to this point, mention of things like house-parties as an even vaguely comparable vector for spreading of disease is really cringeworthy. The amount of exposure is obviously massively larger when you have hundreds of thousands meeting, daily, in school, compared to a few hundred house parties a week.

(To be clear I don't approve of houseparties at all - just saying its clearly not in the haypenny place when put next to the scale/regularity/risk that schools introduce).

I understand this is a pain in the hole for people to hear because it creates a huge issue for their family/babysitting etc but we have to be kind of practical here.

If there was a comic-con that went ahead right now, for example, with hundreds of thousands of attendees, it'd be rightly lambasted. Obviously school is a different kind of proposal - but trying to downplay the obvious risks, as some people here are doing (not you), seems very short-sighted to me, and annoyingly stops the discussion of alternative potential solutions to the issue.

FWIW I am willing to be proven wrong here and hope that I am. This - https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1011/1170773-coronavirus-ireland/ - statement from Stephen Donnelly that schools definitively aren't contributing to cases though...it doesn't really make sense to me after applying some critical thought to it. As someone with a science background, admittedly not in epidemeology but nevertheless - it doesn't sit well with me.

Everyone knows the schools are really risky, e.g.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/when-covid-subsided-israel-reopened-its-schools-it-didn-t-go-well-1.4321658?mode=amp

However, the social contract includes a lot of parents who rely on school so that they can work. That's not a babysitting service, it's one that parents trust to educate their children in a safe environment and for many, gives them an opportunity to earn money to pay their mortgage etc I definitely would not belittle that service.

Widdensushi · 12-10-2020 01:15AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

M Martin went to Europe and secured a great deal for Ireland. We only have to borrow 16 billion euro to pay into the European Covid Solidarity fund which of course we will not receive a cent from. What's the interest I wonder and what services will suffer as a consequence.

Ridiculous, not really related to what rbb is proposing, 0 covid approach is not anywhere in Europe, he wants us to propose it to Boris Johnson and if he is not in favour (obviously) then we are to pay all costs north and south,the costings of such a proposal are beyond any crazy proposal I have previously heard but surely he has it costed by experts before going on national TV with it, bad journalism that he was not questioned further on it.

Plumbthedepths · 12-10-2020 01:24AM

Widdensushi wrote: »

Ridiculous, not really related to what rbb is proposing, 0 covid approach is not anywhere in Europe, he wants us to propose it to Boris Johnson and if he is not in favour (obviously) then we are to pay all costs north and south,the costings of such a proposal are beyond any crazy proposal I have previously heard but surely he has it costed by experts before going on national TV with it, bad journalism that he was not questioned further on it.

I watched the week in politics, RBB mentioned Zero Coivd, I agree with some of his opinions but on ZC he like anyone else exposing it is an idiot.

Kermit.de.frog · 12-10-2020 01:32AM

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1315438045353652225

Argentina facing record death totals this week and i'd hazard a guess proportionally they will be way beyond anything we have seen so far per capita.

Plumbthedepths · 12-10-2020 01:38AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1315438045353652225

Argentina facing record death totals this week and i'd hazard a guess proportionally they will be way beyond anything we have seen so far per capita.

Just aswell the majority commenting here live in Ireland.

Wolf359f · 12-10-2020 01:38AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1315438045353652225

Argentina facing record death totals this week and i'd hazard a guess proportionally they will be way beyond anything we have seen so far per capita.

That has to be the highest positivity rate globably?
They are really not testing at all, population of 45mil and only 2.2mil tests, and based on today's figures ~14k tests done. That's shocking.

marno21 · 12-10-2020 01:38AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1315438045353652225

Argentina facing record death totals this week and i'd hazard a guess proportionally they will be way beyond anything we have seen so far per capita.

72.5% positivity rate is taking the piss. They must be only testing people with acute symptoms at this stage especially in light of that hospitalised figures.

Kermit.de.frog · 12-10-2020 01:42AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Just aswell the majority commenting here live in Ireland.

Indeed,

Let's make sure it's not Ireland's fate then.

mandrake04 · 12-10-2020 02:15AM

Thierry12 wrote: »

Yeah didn't like it either

He could have been talking about the pcr cycle threshold too

We use 37 I believe which catches everything, dead virus, fragments everything

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.html

Someone linked a twitter post from a statistician, best guess was 6,000-15,000 cases a day in March/April from what we know now

There's a Cco setting on the Instrument that cuts off the cycles, the Pathologist use this to limit that. The Pathologist can also look at the curves which can tell you a lot about behavior of the test.

If the test was picking up dead Virus then you would have seen elevated cases maintained during June/July when positives were actually quite low, if it was picking up dead virus it would be picking up missed cases from March/April/May.

I posted an good example earlier where 31,000 tests end of June and July and total off 89 positives. This is even less positives than the actually FP rate being spouted.

If you were going pick up PF from dead virus then that's when you would see more cases during that period, people arguing about data... the Irish data is there you just need to know how to read it.

Also Australia uses same test and they doing 200K tests a week and pulling 110 cases, surely they would be picking up dead virus and there was over 800 people died in the last few months...hardly casedemic.

People have lost the plot over a comments on the internet, someone says there's maybe a possibility now its gospel ...and at the extreme end.

spookwoman · 12-10-2020 02:23AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Aren't we all?

I wish, tempted to break open the home brew some nights when on here

mandrake04 · 12-10-2020 02:37AM

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Hes a complete charlatan constantly fact checked.

He sounds like he has fallen of the turnip cart to be honest.

Always_Running · 12-10-2020 02:49AM

plodder wrote: »

took figure from wikipedia. Maybe 331 is from today.

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/18291-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-sunday-11-october/#cases-by-county

It's an error on Gov.ie. Should read 241.

Paddygreen · 12-10-2020 04:47AM

I calm down guys. It will be ok. Follow the guidelines and weel be grand

Paddygreen · 12-10-2020 04:48AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnXWGD-k9PQ

Kermit.de.frog · 12-10-2020 04:58AM

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1315480010711539713

China reports 21 new cases of Coronavirus in last 24hrs

Pitch n Putt · 12-10-2020 05:27AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1315480010711539713

China reports 21 new cases of Coronavirus in last 24hrs

9 million to be tested this week. That’s impressive

Took our HSE geniuses 6 months to get too 100000 tests per week and they are going on about it since as if it’s ground breaking number of tests.

Oranage2 · 12-10-2020 06:05AM

When we see countries getting re-infected we shouldn't see it as a failure. We should see how they deal with and follow those steps.

I'm so confident China will eliminate the virus again, if people are told to wear masks, they will. If schools have to to close, they will. If people are told to stay in their apartments, they will, non of this 'mental health' or 'civil liberties' bs that gets sprouted in Ireland. The CCP are doing a marvelous job

OscarMIlde · 12-10-2020 06:11AM

s1ippy wrote: »

They're not even doing a breakdown of cases any more. We've no idea where it's spreading because tracing are swamped. This is still only the first third of winter. Sorry, time is incredibly blurred this year. Winter isn't even started yet.

Google LEA covid 19 Ireland and you should find a map which shows all the cases in each local electoral area for the last 14 days. It is updated every Thursday.

s1ippy · 12-10-2020 06:15AM

Oranage2 wrote: »

When we see countries getting re-infected we shouldn't see it as a failure. We should see how they deal with and follow those steps.

I'm so confident China will eliminate the virus again, if people are told to wear masks, they will. If schools have to to close, they will. If people are told to stay in their apartments, they will, non of this 'mental health' or 'civil liberties' bs that gets sprouted in Ireland. The CCP are doing a marvelous job

They did a marvelous job of downplaying it before it got out of control in the beginning too and an even more brilliant job of suppressing whistleblowers. Superb job of lying about human transmission then and an excellent job of hiding deaths and after effects. But I think the best job has to be when they had the big parties to celebrate eradicating it even as the rest of the world still struggles. Nothing like getting kicked while we're down, dealing with a likely by-product of their overpopulation, lack of sanitation, food scarcity and disgusting practices (which still exist today).

I'm the furthest thing from a racist but if it weren't for China I wouldn't be having sleepless nights. I wouldn't be cut off from my family. I wouldn't be locked in this pattern of depression and pessimism about the future. I'd be able to see my granny who is about to die. I think it's fair to say that the government there deserve no positive press because the oppression and misery that comes with their totalitarian regime is the system that permitted all of this to happen to all of us.

Tbh their ongoing famines will likely overwhelm them before they manage to further ruin our part of the world but it seems to be an "us and them" situation and this bioterrorism needs to be called out for what it is before they perpetrate any further global atrocities.

OscarMIlde wrote: »

Google LEA covid 19 Ireland and you should find a map which shows all the cases in each local electoral area for the last 14 days. It is updated every Thursday.

Thanks. Remember they used to do a breakdown of setting about a day or two after figures. 10 in sports clubs, 600 in private homes etc. They're not able to keep up now seemingly as they've stopped it.

agoodpunt · 12-10-2020 06:40AM

Oranage2 wrote: »

When we see countries getting re-infected we shouldn't see it as a failure. We should see how they deal with and follow those steps.

I'm so confident China will eliminate the virus again, if people are told to wear masks, they will. If schools have to to close, they will. If people are told to stay in their apartments, they will, non of this 'mental health' or 'civil liberties' bs that gets sprouted in Ireland. The CCP are doing a marvelous job

how can you say that they are a "despot lead society" and have brought this pandemic on the world

12-10-2020 07:01AM

s1ippy wrote: »

They did a marvelous job of downplaying it before it got out of control in the beginning too and an even more brilliant job of suppressing whistleblowers. Superb job of lying about human transmission then and an excellent job of hiding deaths and after effects. But I think the best job has to be when they had the big parties to celebrate eradicating it even as the rest of the world still struggles. Nothing like getting kicked while we're down, dealing with a likely by-product of their overpopulation, lack of sanitation, food scarcity and disgusting practices (which still exist today).

I'm the furthest thing from a racist but if it weren't for China I wouldn't be having sleepless nights. I wouldn't be cut off from my family. I wouldn't be locked in this pattern of depression and pessimism about the future. I'd be able to see my granny who is about to die. I think it's fair to say that the government there deserve no positive press because the oppression and misery that comes with their totalitarian regime is the system that permitted all of this to happen to all of us.

Tbh their ongoing famines will likely overwhelm them before they manage to further ruin our part of the world but it seems to be an "us and them" situation and this bioterrorism needs to be called out for what it is before they perpetrate any further global atrocities.

Thanks. Remember they used to do a breakdown of setting about a day or two after figures. 10 in sports clubs, 600 in private homes etc. They're not able to keep up now seemingly as they've stopped it.

“I’m no racist but.....”

This is not China’s fault. its not the fault of “their” overpopulation and “disgusting” practices. It’s your fault and my fault and the whole western worlds fault for all the palm oil etc that we use, that results in the devastation of the natural world. The pandemic was inevitable, and there will be more, certainly in my lifetime. Maybe worse ones. Who knows where they they will originate

China suppressed things, sure. We haven’t got the truth of what happened there. But they couldn’t have stopped it getting out once the virus had made the jump. No country could. Like has been said many time before, it only takes one person.

MarkY91 · 12-10-2020 07:20AM

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

9 million to be tested this week. That’s impressive

Took our HSE geniuses 6 months to get too 100000 tests per week and they are going on about it since as if it’s ground breaking number of tests.

Your mistake is comparing a country with a population of a billion people to a tiny little island with 5 people people. If you don't see how dumb that is then god help you.

12-10-2020 07:34AM

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

9 million to be tested this week. That’s impressive

Took our HSE geniuses 6 months to get too 100000 tests per week and they are going on about it since as if it’s ground breaking number of tests.

100,000 tests per week in Ireland is the equivalent of 28 million in China.

We have conducted 1.3 million tests since the beginning of this. That's the equivalent of 350 million in China. China have completed 160 million

drunkmonkey · 12-10-2020 07:38AM

I'm not believing this story that coronavirus hangs around for a month on bank notes and touchscreens. Maybe it does in lab but we were told a few times that it's mainly aerosol based transmission is the main problem.
Virus may remain infectious for up to four weeks on phone screens and banknotes.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/virus-may-remain-infectious-for-up-to-four-weeks-on-phone-screens-and-banknotes-39611599.html

screamer · 12-10-2020 07:40AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

“I’m no racist but.....”

This is not China’s fault. its not the fault of “their” overpopulation and “disgusting” practices. It’s your fault and my fault and the whole western worlds fault for all the palm oil etc that we use, that results in the devastation of the natural world. The pandemic was inevitable, and there will be more, certainly in my lifetime. Maybe worse ones. Who knows where they they will originate

China suppressed things, sure. We haven’t got the truth of what happened there. But they couldn’t have stopped it getting out once the virus had made the jump. No country could. Like has been said many time before, it only takes one person.

I’m not an apologist but...... sure everything bad in the world is the fault of the white man.... gimme a break

As for the virus in Ireland, I expect we’ll see tightening of measures this week or next, I think it’s inevitable at this stage. Might be in regions or counties who knows but I think we’ll see it alright.

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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