Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

Gael23 · 11-10-2020 06:03PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

I think after a 100 case day dropping off the 7 day average and today's 220 or so in Dublin it's back to flat.

Let’s hope a decrease follows

Sierra Oscar · 11-10-2020 06:03PM

bennyl10 wrote: »

We’ve had 2 big increase days this week, over 200, so the 7 day average will start to reflect them and the level stops lowering

This isn’t sufficient

We also need to see the restrictions actually drive the r number below one, otherwise the restrictions can't be loosened.

You'd also worry that the trend will reflect the likes of what has happened in areas such as Madrid - introduction of restrictions flatten the increase for a time, followed by a quick increase as community transmission was never suppressed sufficiently.

ceadaoin. · 11-10-2020 06:04PM

The_Brood wrote: »

What I am coming to realise is that a lockdown in Ireland is essentially a lockdown on businesses and the economy, and services of all kinds that people need - but there is absolutely no power or will to force individuals to comply with masks and social distancing, to stop house parties and mass gatherings, or the anti-social behavior prevalent in Dublin - and on top of it all schools are opened.

So essentially the lockdown has no power to significantly stop the spread of the virus, but is destroying economy and life.

How do all these political leaders, experts, and other decision makers not see this? What am I missing?

Well even the WHO have been saying to stop lockdowns for a while now, but it seems that many arent listening. The ones who do listen and don't lockdown are lambasted as irresponsible murderers so can you really blame them?

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/coronavirus-who-backflips-on-virus-stance-by-condemning-lockdowns/news-story/f2188f2aebff1b7b291b297731c3da74

Russman · 11-10-2020 06:05PM

MarkY91 wrote: »

Lockdown = thousands of house parties around the country 7 nights per week. Especially coming into halloween then the Christmas season.

At the risk of stating the obvious, couldn’t people just “not” party for a few weeks ? Regardless of in house or in pub.

SCOOP 64 · 11-10-2020 06:06PM

harr wrote: »

You have to take into account yesterday’s numbers included a substantial backlog.
800 + today is worrying

i thought they was no backlog for yesterday ?

UrbanFret · 11-10-2020 06:06PM

There is also the option to double or treble the amount of Ventilators our hospitals have with Combi lifts device which was developed early summer. Gives us a bit of leeway I'd have thought.

Combi-Ventilate is a splitter device which turns one ventilator into multiple ventilation stations. The Combi-Ventilate uses standard pipes and fittings for easy assembly and its individual patient filters prevent cross contamination. Each patient has a dedicated screen which allows medical professionals to individually monitor their vital information. This includes live values, data on patient history and statistics and adjustable alarm settings.

Features include non-return valves, HEPA filters, flow sensors and an automatic flow control valve. Any abnormalities that occur are detected and will only trigger that specific patient’s alarm. The Combi-Ventilate has automatically adjustable flow control valves which allow the health service professional control the tidal volume to each patient electronically without having to make manual adjustments.

shocksy · 11-10-2020 06:06PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Well even the WHO have been saying to stop lockdowns for a while now, but it seems that many arent listening. The ones who do listen and don't lockdown are lambasted as irresponsible murderers so can you really blame them?

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/coronavirus-who-backflips-on-virus-stance-by-condemning-lockdowns/news-story/f2188f2aebff1b7b291b297731c3da74

Wrong.

The WHO said don't just use lockdown as a way to stop the virus.

Don't feed drip information just to suit your agenda.

They never said stop all lockdowns.

Artane2002 · 11-10-2020 06:08PM

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

There was no backlog, yesterday's cases were all from the previous 24hrs.

Hopefully the 7 day average which was decreasing doesn't start increasing again

but were the positive swabs not something like 947? if the confirmed cases exceeded the positive swabs by 65, where did those extra 65 cases come from? I'm not 100% familiar with how this all works so I could be barking up the wrong tree.

jackboy · 11-10-2020 06:08PM

Russman wrote: »

At the risk of stating the obvious, couldn’t people just “not” party for a few weeks ? Regardless of in house or in pub.

The last 6 months have shown us that is not possible. We all know the risks but lots of people do not care. These people will never change unless forced.

Bananaleaf · 11-10-2020 06:09PM

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

i thought they was no backlog for yesterday ?

You are right. There was no backlog yesterday

ongarite · 11-10-2020 06:10PM

Meath cases are due to GAA county final in Navan 2 weeks ago.
Very large outbreak in Ratoath within player group and families.

JP Liz V1 · 11-10-2020 06:10PM

thejuggler wrote: »

Recent story heard from a bus passenger in Cork city. Near the end of the route a fellow passenger gets up and asks the driver where the covid testing centre is and to drop him off there.
Not great for the peace of mind of the other occupants of the bus..

I'd have ran straight off the bus, surely a taxi with screen protection or at home ambulance testing was better than the public bus

Polar101 · 11-10-2020 06:11PM

R0 in the country 1.2, which is 1 in Dublin and 1.6 elsewhere. According to Stephen Donnelly.

AlphaDelta1 · 11-10-2020 06:12PM

Looks like level 3 isn't reducing numbers the way we would have hoped. Unfortunately I can see them going to 5 in a week or so. Crap situation all round.

B.A._Baracus · 11-10-2020 06:13PM

AlphaDelta1 wrote: »

Looks like level 3 isn't reducing numbers the way we would have hoped. Unfortunately I can see them going to 5 in a week or so. Crap situation all round.

Yeah I feel the same.

Goldengirl · 11-10-2020 06:13PM

Ficheall wrote: »

I've no interest in bullying ACE off the thread - I do have an interest in people reading the thread knowing that he isn't any better informed than anyone else - I don't know how long you've been in these threads, but he had a strong following for quite a while, and many posters were accepting his word as gospel.
I presume you also defended those who were labelled as doom-mongers and had their more pessimistic opinions castigated over the summer.

As evidenced by the amount of knowledgeable and seasoned posters getting bans for disagreeing with him, I would say that that he is well able to take care of himself , or has a cohort of like minded who will hit report if anyone dares to disagree with him.
Funny idea of who is bullying who here from some .

niallo27 · 11-10-2020 06:13PM

jackboy wrote: »

The last 6 months have shown us that is not possible. We all know the risks but lots of people do not care. These people will never change unless forced.

The problem is that the people having the parties have little to no risk of getting sick from this virus, it won't affect them or their friends so its hard for them to just stop living for 1 to 2 years. Actually its impossible to expect them to do it.

DrSpongeBobz · 11-10-2020 06:14PM

201 cases in hospital now

JP Liz V1 · 11-10-2020 06:14PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

226 in Dublin
77 in Cork
64 in Galway
56 in Donegal
48 in Meath

Remaining 343 cases are spread across all 21 other counties

Cork decreasing hope it continues

Cluedo Monopoly · 11-10-2020 06:14PM

https://twitter.com/danobrien20/status/1315237626744500225

Serious question - why is the death rate so low when we have reached record case numbers?

Fuascailteoir · 11-10-2020 06:14PM

ongarite wrote: »

Meath cases are due to GAA county final in Navan 2 weeks ago.
Very large outbreak in Ratoath within player group and families.

That seems to be replicated in a lot of counties. GAA really messed up in allowing competitions in a pandemic. Someone needs to look at who took that decision

SCOOP 64 · 11-10-2020 06:14PM

Polar101 wrote: »

R0 in the country 1.2, which is 1 in Dublin and 1.6 elsewhere. According to Stephen Donnelly.

Yes ,also mentioned to ride out next 2/3 weeks as level 3 seems to be working in Dublin, open to debate i suppose.

drunkmonkey · 11-10-2020 06:15PM

shocksy wrote: »

Wrong.

The WHO said don't just use lockdown as a way to stop the virus.

Don't feed drip information just to suit your agenda.

They never said stop all lockdowns.

They said do it once to organize yourself, were at it 6mts of bull**** now from Government who appear to have no solution only more Lockdown.

I'll tell you one thing, the one group who are nearly completely isolated from all this are the farmers, if hospitality staff owned heavy machinery the lockdown would be over by now.

GooglePlus · 11-10-2020 06:15PM

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

https://twitter.com/danobrien20/status/1315237626744500225

Serious question - why is the death rate so low when we have reached record case numbers?

We'd much higher cases in reality back in April.

ceadaoin. · 11-10-2020 06:16PM

shocksy wrote: »

Wrong.

The WHO said don't just use lockdown as a way to stop the virus.

Don't feed drip information just to suit your agenda.

They never said stop all lockdowns.

I didn't drip feed, I posted a link where you can read exactly what the doctor said but here it is, just in case

Dr. David Nabarro from the WHO appealed to world leaders yesterday, telling them to stop “using lockdowns as your primary control method” of the coronavirus.

He also claimed that the only thing lockdowns achieved was poverty – with no mention of the potential lives saved.

"Lockdowns just have one consequence that you must never ever belittle, and that is making poor people an awful lot poorer,” he said.

“We in the World Health Organisation do not advocate lockdowns as the primary means of control of this virus,” Dr Nabarro told The Spectator.

“The only time we believe a lockdown is justified is to buy you time to reorganise, regroup, rebalance your resources, protect your health workers who are exhausted, but by and large, we’d rather not do it.”

Dr Nabarro’s main criticism of lockdowns involved the global impact, explaining how poorer economies that had been indirectly affected.

“Just look at what’s happened to the tourism industry in the Caribbean, for example, or in the Pacific because people aren’t taking their holidays,” he said.

“Look what’s happened to smallholder farmers all over the world. … Look what’s happening to poverty levels. It seems that we may well have a doubling of world poverty by next year. We may well have at least a doubling of child malnutrition.”

Instead, Dr Nabarro is advocating for a new approach to containing the virus.

“And so, we really do appeal to all world leaders: stop using lockdown as your primary control method. Develop better systems for doing it. Work together and learn from each other.”

So, according to the WHO countries should only lockdown to prepare medical facilities etc to be able to better cope with an influx of patients and not use it to try and stop the spread of the virus. It should be a one and done type of thing.

Bananaleaf · 11-10-2020 06:16PM

AlphaDelta1 wrote: »

Looks like level 3 isn't reducing numbers the way we would have hoped. Unfortunately I can see them going to 5 in a week or so. Crap situation all round.

Missed the breakdown for Donegal but in Dublin, sure there are still maskless protests going on so level 3 not being given much of a chance to be fair. But yeah, we need a level 5 to get a handle on it.

Russman · 11-10-2020 06:16PM

niallo27 wrote: »

The problem is that the people having the parties have little to no risk of getting sick from this virus, it won't affect them or their friends so its hard for them to just stop living for 1 to 2 years. Actually its impossible to expect them to do it.

Who said anything about 1 to 2 years ?
Are these people really incapable of going on the dry for a month or two though ?

niallo27 · 11-10-2020 06:16PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

We'd much higher cases in reality back in April.

So we shouldn't be rushing into a full lockdown if that's the case.

ACitizenErased · 11-10-2020 06:16PM

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

https://twitter.com/danobrien20/status/1315237626744500225

Serious question - why is the death rate so low when we have reached record case numbers?

Because we haven’t. We’ve reached record confirmed case figures.
We’re not even close to March/April actual figures.

Sierra Oscar · 11-10-2020 06:17PM

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

https://twitter.com/danobrien20/status/1315237626744500225

Serious question - why is the death rate so low when we have reached record case numbers?

It's likely community transmission was an awful lot higher back in March / April than was originally thought, but wasn't being picked up due to a lack of testing. It could have been many multiples of what we are experiencing now and demonstrates how things can deteriorate if the spread is left unchecked.

Also there have been improvements in treatment capabilities for those that end up in hospital. There were also clusters in nursing homes across the country.

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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