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Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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  • #7592
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,969 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Deshawn wrote: »
    Is a vaccination an immunity to a disease?

    A vaccination aims to prevent disease from a virus yes


  • #7593
    ddarcy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 553 ✭✭✭ddarcy


    Deshawn wrote: »
    I have had every vaccination since a child. Iv gone over seas to Asia and had my vaccinations. Iv had flu vaccines. I wear my mask and sanitise my hands going in and out of buildings. I keep away from my elderly parents and rarely visit. I have worked every day throughout this pandemic as I'm classed as an essential worker

    I am not anti Vax. Do not pigeon hole me please

    However I won't take this vaccine as I'm not comfortable with the pace it has been developed. I'm also not comfortable that pharmaceutical companies developing the vaccine have been given legal immunity.

    I'm not comfortable taking this vaccine and know plenty of other people who think the same. And I'm entitled to think that way without digs or comments.

    You do realise that it is being developed at the same pace as any other vaccine?

    The two biggest time delays in a vaccine / drug development are getting enough test subjects to trial the vaccine (there are hundreds of thousands of volunteers for this vaccine in the various trials) and the biggest delay is having it literally sitting on a bureaucrats desk (since it’s being put to the front of the queue that will save literally 2-3 years of literally no progress doing nothing, but waiting for someone to review it).


  • #7594
    Deshawn
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 192 ✭✭Deshawn


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    A vaccination aims to prevent disease from a virus yes

    So if you take your vaccination you should be immune to sickness from the disease?

    You or anyone else who is vaccinated don't need to be concerned about catching the virus and getting sick anymore so it is irrelevant to you if I take the vaccine or not.
    Is that not correct?


  • #7595
    Nqp15hhu
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,254 ✭✭✭Nqp15hhu


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Be interesting to see which cracks first;

    Commitment to the GFA or commitment to public health

    What on earth has that got to do with anything?


  • #7596
    Nqp15hhu
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,254 ✭✭✭Nqp15hhu


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Am I the only one thinking there's a bit of politics at play with our reaction to all this, only game in town now seems to be annex the north from the UK.

    Excuse me!? NO thanks!


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  • #7597
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,505 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    We have a Flu vaccine, we still have the Flu. A vaccine isn't a cure and won't guarantee you won't get it. Those very at risk will be still be at risk. There's no easy road out of this.


  • #7598
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,414 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    There's list of restrictions to be in action back at home (Czech rep.) from tomorrow. If anyone interested. They gonna try to keep economy going as much as possible.

    https://www.expats.cz/czech-news/article/breaking-czech-government-approves-new-measures-to-curb-covid-19-spread
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    Hit the switch to keep the lights on.



  • #7599
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    A vaccination aims to prevent disease from a virus yes
    'Aims' is very different than long term or forever immunity. For example we had a family member vaccinated for influenza, who died from the same influenza.

    Each vaccine for a particular disease gives different levels of immunity and how each person responds may be different. Taking a particular vaccine needs to be decided on between the person and their medical practioneer.
    This is not pro or anti vaccines but informed vaccine choice.


  • #7600
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,505 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    xhomelezz wrote: »
    There's list of restrictions to be in action back at home (Czech rep.) from tomorrow. If anyone interested. They gonna try to keep economy going as much as possible.

    https://www.expats.cz/czech-news/article/breaking-czech-government-approves-new-measures-to-curb-covid-19-spread

    You should warn them our 2 weeks has lasted 6mts and got us no where, were actually in a worse state.


  • #7601
    Martina1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,549 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    You said the exact same thing the last time, if the data is there present it. I presented a few different sources. I've said numerous times I don't think it's a major thing but you and a few others latch onto that one piece while sticking your heads in the sand on the other contributing factors when it comes to testing.
    You're contradicting yourself. You clearly did or do see it as a big thing as you started a thread on it and said NPHET were basing the restrictions on the number of cases.

    You said earlier 150 something cases out of our 1k were false. That's not a small proportion.

    Dr. Cillian De Gascun is the director of the NVRL who has been central to the testing process since its inception.
    He isn't some random Twitter source.


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  • #7602
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,303 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Necro wrote: »
    NI have essentially lost control of the spread up there it seems. Was teetering that way but seems to have gone over the edge.

    Sunday figures are traditionally the lowest for varying reasons as well. Not looking pretty.


  • #7603
    Sconsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Sconsey


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    We have a Flu vaccine, we still have the Flu. A vaccine isn't a cure and won't guarantee you won't get it. Those very at risk will be still be at risk. There's no easy road out of this.

    The Covid vaccines will probably not be a silver bullet but they should make a huge difference. But to compare the flu vaccine to the covid vaccine is dumb. In the same way they are not the same diseases, the vaccines are not the same either. Have a read of the vaccines thread.


  • #7604
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    You said the exact same thing the last time, if the data is there present it. I presented a few different sources. I've said numerous times I don't think it's a major thing but you and a few others latch onto that one piece while sticking your heads in the sand on the other contributing factors when it comes to testing.

    The only thing embarrassing is your and the other posters lack of data to make your point and a Newstalk tweet from DeGascun doesn't make the cut.

    The simple fact your have to resort to demoralising a poster rather then present your Irish based facts says it all.

    I have made a few points but you choose to ignore them, they are simple enough questions.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114893728&postcount=7573

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114893778&postcount=7581


  • #7605
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,414 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    You should warn them our 2 weeks has lasted 6mts and got us no where, were actually in a worse state.

    There was a lockdown back at home too at the start of it, proper one I would like to say, plus other measures early in action. So they were able to get away with it lightly, plus great buy in from the public.
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    Hit the switch to keep the lights on.



  • #7606
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,762 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Deshawn wrote: »
    I have had every vaccination since a child. Iv gone over seas to Asia and had my vaccinations. Iv had flu vaccines. I wear my mask and sanitise my hands going in and out of buildings. I keep away from my elderly parents and rarely visit. I have worked every day throughout this pandemic as I'm classed as an essential worker

    I am not anti Vax. Do not pigeon hole me please

    However I won't take this vaccine as I'm not comfortable with the pace it has been developed. I'm also not comfortable that pharmaceutical companies developing the vaccine have been given legal immunity.

    I'm not comfortable taking this vaccine and know plenty of other people who think the same. And I'm entitled to think that way without digs or comments.

    But when actually safety data is presented will you sit down and read it ? When approved by EMA any vaccine will have passed the highest standards. If someone's view is backed by data and science then that's fine but not being comfortable with production for me isn't a reason not to take it once its fully approved.

    I've been reading through on the phase 3 vaccines and the data released so far. Wouldn't have an issue taking one. Yes production will be quickest ever but there's billions being pumped into it to ensure a postive outcome. Furthermore part of the reason why it'll be quicker is that trials are enrolling thousands of participants, multiples of normal trials while rolling regulatory reviews are also underway.

    They've not got legal immunity, should anyone take a case, their covered by countries to a certain level, standard practice. This allows the price of the vaccine to be substantially less.

    A vaccine overall does not mean immunity, it should limit the effects of the disease and prevent serious illness therefore enabling life to return to normal.


  • #7607
    Miike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,014 ✭✭✭Miike


    speckle wrote: »
    For example we had a family member vaccinated for influenza, who died from the same influenza.

    Flu isn't COVID19. Flu vaccine covers 2-4 (generally) strains of Influenza viruses which are predicted to be the dominant strains in the coming flu cycle. This years vaccine is quadrivalent, for example. The vaccine doesn't confer immunity to ALL circulating flu viruses - Just the dominant strains.

    I know this isn't your point but I just want people to be clear on the importance of the flu vaccination :)


  • #7608
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    xhomelezz wrote: »
    There's list of restrictions to be in action back at home (Czech rep.) from tomorrow. If anyone interested. They gonna try to keep economy going as much as possible.

    https://www.expats.cz/czech-news/article/breaking-czech-government-approves-new-measures-to-curb-covid-19-spread


    Interesting the turning off of wifi to stop young people hanging around. And the availability of hotel accomadation for those who need it so as not to infect family members. Some organisation should keep a master list of creative ideas that work from different countries around the world.


  • #7609
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,414 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    speckle wrote: »
    Interesting the turning off of wifi to stop young people hanging around. And the availability of hotel accomadation for those who need it so as not to infect family members. Some organisation should keep a master list of creative ideas that work from different countries around the world.

    Yeah when the shīt hits the fan, creativity takes over :D

    One thing I personally like is, they recognised schools as a part of the problem. The stubbornness of DOE here is just amazing for me.
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    Hit the switch to keep the lights on.



  • #7610
    E36Ross
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 287 ✭✭E36Ross


    Most papers reporting now that midterm will NOT be extended.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/education/it-is-not-going-to-be-extended-donnelly-says-midterm-break-won-t-be-longer-than-a-week-1.4377888%3fmode=amp


  • #7611
    Deshawn
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 192 ✭✭Deshawn


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    But when actually safety data is presented will you sit down and read it ? When approved by EMA any vaccine will have passed the highest standards. If someone's view is backed by data and science then that's fine but not being comfortable with production for me isn't a reason not to take it once its fully approved.

    I've been reading through on the phase 3 vaccines and the data released so far. Wouldn't have an issue taking one. Yes production will be quickest ever but there's billions being pumped into it to ensure a postive outcome.

    They've not got legal immunity, should anyone take a case, their covered by countries to a certain level, standard practice.

    I could sit down and read it but I most likely wouldn't understand it. It's also coming from the pharmaceutical industry rather than an independent source.
    I'm not in an at risk category so even if I changed my mind I would put myself at the back of the queue and let those who are at risk and those who are keen to be vaccinated first.

    I have some health issues that do interfere with my daily life and would be concerned that a vaccine side effectsmight compound these problems.
    Peripheral neuropathy , arthritis.

    I can't take that risk


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  • #7612
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    Miike wrote: »
    Flu isn't COVID19. Flu vaccine covers 2-4 (generally) strains of Influenza viruses which are predicted to be the dominant strains in the coming flu cycle. This years vaccine is quadrivalent, for example. The vaccine doesn't confer immunity to ALL circulating flu viruses - Just the dominant strains.

    I know this isn't your point but I just want people to be clear on the importance of the flu vaccination :)
    Get you. It doesnt cover all strains but in our case sadly, it was the strain covered. Note it also important for people to realise that they dont automatically get 100% immunity from some vaccines so if your high risk, one should speak to your GP and potentially avoid certain scenarios if possible and not go around thinking your superman or woman. The information regarding how good they work for different parts of the population online eg HSE, ECDC, CDC or WHO etc.


  • #7613
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    xhomelezz wrote: »
    Yeah when the shīt hits the fan, creativity takes over :D

    One thing I personally like is, they recognised schools as a part of the problem. The stubbornness of DOE here is just amazing for me.

    At least they didn't hold a party to celebrate defeating Covid....https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53244688


  • #7614
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,414 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    At least they don't hold a party to celebrate defeating Covid....https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53244688

    Nobody is perfect. At least it was done outside..
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  • #7615
    Nonoperational
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭Nonoperational


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    You said the exact same thing the last time, if the data is there present it. I presented a few different sources. I've said numerous times I don't think it's a major thing but you and a few others latch onto that one piece while sticking your heads in the sand on the other contributing factors when it comes to testing.

    The only thing embarrassing is your and the other posters lack of data to make your point and a Newstalk tweet from DeGascun doesn't make the cut.

    The simple fact your have to resort to demoralising a poster rather then present your Irish based facts says it all.

    Jeez man. It's basic statistics and maths. Sensitivity, specificity, positive and negative predictive value. They aren't any different because of Covid. I'm not going to write out an essay on screening test performance because you can't be bothered to research it. The same applies to all laboratory tests. Come on.

    This has nothing to do with ideologies about Covid, about how we should treat it about how dangerous it is. This is just maths. You go for a HIV test, it has a performance range with a quoted sensitivity and specificity. No different.


  • #7616
    screamer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,208 ✭✭✭screamer


    E36Ross wrote: »
    Most papers reporting now that midterm will NOT be extended.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/education/it-is-not-going-to-be-extended-donnelly-says-midterm-break-won-t-be-longer-than-a-week-1.4377888%3fmode=amp

    Yeh great to see that Stephen Donnelly can just pull that out of his head. None of us know what might happen and the kite flying rollercoaster is wearing thin on the nerves. They should just shut up the whole lot of them and give us a coherent, unified state of the nation once a week so we know where we are, what we’re aiming for, and the possible next steps for whichever way the trend goes.
    The crap leaking at the moment just shows up this colon-ition government for the sh:t show it is.


  • #7617
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,879 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    An Ciarraioch wrote: »
    1,066 NI cases, 1 death.

    If we were any other country we would have banned all visitors from NI - there is absolutely infections down here that came from there


  • #7618
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,303 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    fritzelly wrote: »
    If we were any other country we would have banned all visitors from NI - there is absolutely infections down here that came from there

    A better more practical solution on epidemiological grounds would be checks between the UK and NI. Deal with the situation and then an all island strategy going forward.


  • #7619
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    Nonoperational wrote: »
    Jeez man. It's basic statistics and maths. Sensitivity, specificity, positive and negative predictive value. They aren't any different because of Covid. I'm not going to write out an essay on screening test performance because you can't be bothered to research it. The same applies to all laboratory tests. Come on.

    This has nothing to do with ideologies about Covid, about how we should treat it about how dangerous it is. This is just maths. You go for a HIV test, it has a performance range with a quoted sensitivity and specificity. No different.
    Question, will we really only know the definitive answer when we get good antigen tests were we know what levels an individual has and when they are actually infectious positive? Fir want of a better phrase?


  • #7620
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,879 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    A better more practical solution on epidemiological grounds would be checks between the UK and NI. Deal with the situation and then an all island strategy going forward.

    Well we already have restrictions on the rest of the UK...kinda


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  • #7621
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,505 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Nonoperational wrote: »
    Jeez man. It's basic statistics and maths. Sensitivity, specificity, positive and negative predictive value. They aren't any different because of Covid. I'm not going to write out an essay on screening test performance because you can't be bothered to research it. The same applies to all laboratory tests. Come on.

    This has nothing to do with ideologies about Covid, about how we should treat it about how dangerous it is. This is just maths. You go for a HIV test, it has a performance range with a quoted sensitivity and specificity. No different.

    Your arguing about data, where's your data I've presented it numerous times referencing the UK data. You say it's there show it to me or stick a sock in it as it's become quite tedious you not backing up any statement you've made. Come on man show me this Irish data.


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