Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

drunkmonkey · 11-10-2020 02:17PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Be interesting to see which cracks first;

Commitment to the GFA or commitment to public health

Am I the only one thinking there's a bit of politics at play with our reaction to all this, only game in town now seems to be annex the north from the UK.

Plumbthedepths · 11-10-2020 02:20PM

Deshawn wrote: »

During a Pandemic? Most definitely.

I would think that the health authorities in northern Ireland wouldn't want people from the Republic traveling up and using vital health resources. Going further I would think that this service is suspended now. Nobody is making that trip from Kerry to Belfast.

Finished editing?

Strumms · 11-10-2020 02:20PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

No, I 'm a person that believes people should be given medical care regardless of their address.
Wasn't there a spat in the Dail about people from Kerry travelling to NI for medical treatment? Should that be stopped too?

In a different state, where they don’t contribute to the establishment and running of said services here, and where the medical resources here are not ran and maintained with those people in mind, because they are of another state who don’t contribute to our medical services but who all of a sudden feel like they should have access to utilize them? Hahaha fantasy stuff.

Ger Roe · 11-10-2020 02:22PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yet under 15s are catching it at a lower rate than the rest of us

But they still have to go home and risk spreading it there - young people also feel that as a sense of responsibility.

If a young person is sent into an environment where they catch it, regardless of the lower risk, the virus doesn't then decide not to spread on, and only circulate among young people.

In general, I am talking about second level - young adults who can reason the situation for themselves and are not happy with how they are being treated. Forced to attend indoor locations in higher numbers than any other societal group and then receiving a sub standard education service, when they are there.

All while their attendance at school is being cited as a wonder of multi departmental pandemic management.

eagle eye · 11-10-2020 02:22PM

Plumbthedepths wrote:

No, I 'm a person that believes people should be given medical care regardless of their address. Wasn't there a spat in the Dail about people from Kerry travelling to NI for medical treatment? Should that be stopped too?

You are a person that's been shouting down everybody that said we need to be careful or things will get out of control again.
Are you still shouting down those people?
Are you willing to admit that you were very, very wrong?

Plumbthedepths · 11-10-2020 02:25PM

Strumms wrote: »

In a different state, where they don’t contribute to the establishment and running of said services here, and where the medical resources here are not ran and maintained with those people in mind, because they are of another state who don’t contribute to our medical services but who all of a sudden feel like they should have access to utilize them? Hahaha fantasy stuff.

NI didn't contribute to our Fire service in the 40's , yet tenders from Dundalk went to Belfast to help tackle blazes from bombs dropped by the LW.
There is a history of people form both sides availing of the services of the other state.
Thankfully no one outside of Boards will agree with what you are claiming should happen.

B.A._Baracus · 11-10-2020 02:26PM

Just been reading online about people saying we shouldn't have another lockdown (full on)
Doesn't matter how many cases we get a day.
Doesn't matter if the hospital's can't carry the load.
Could have 20,000 cases a day. Doesn't matter keep everything open.

I used to think well that's just someone's opinion and fair enough. Now am starting to think it's really about people not giving a boll*cks. Let people die, I don't care as long as I can go the shops attitude etc.

Like all this Corona mess has shown what people really are ... Those who don't wanna wear masks.... Those who think Corona is a hoax. Those who think it's 5g etc.

suicide_circus · 11-10-2020 02:28PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Am I the only one thinking there's a bit of politics at play with our reaction to all this, only game in town now seems to be annex the north from the UK.

Many in mainland UK would be delighted i'd imagine

shocksy · 11-10-2020 02:29PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

NI didn't contribute to our Fire service in the 40's , yet tenders from Dundalk went to Belfast to help tackle blazes from bombs dropped by the LW.
There is a history of people form both sides availing of the services of the other state.
Thankfully no one outside of Boards will agree with what you are claiming should happen.

I'm sure plenty would agree with what the poster is saying. If you were to do a poll on the streets of the cities or towns in Ireland I'm sure you'd find a huge amount of people would agree with looking after our own first before taking in another states patients. F*ck sake we can barely cope with our own without bringing in out of state people to add to the pressure of the HSE.

Deshawn · 11-10-2020 02:31PM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Just been reading online about people saying we shouldn't have another lockdown (full on)
Doesn't matter how many cases we get a day.
Doesn't matter if the hospital's can't carry the load.
Could have 20,000 cases a day. Doesn't matter keep everything open.

I used to think well that's just someone's opinion and fair enough. Now am starting to think it's really about people not giving a boll*cks. Let people die, I don't care as long as I can go the shops attitude etc.

Like all this Corona mess has shown what people really are ... Those you don't wanna wear masks.... Those who think Corona is a hoax. Those who think it's 5g etc.

Would you be willing to take the first round of vaccine?

GazzaL · 11-10-2020 02:31PM

shocksy wrote: »

I'm sure plenty would agree with what the poster is saying. If you were to do a poll on the streets of the cities or towns in Ireland I'm sure you'd find a huge amount of people would agree with looking after our own first before taking in another states patients. F*ck sake we can barely cope with our own without bringing in out of state people to add to the pressure of the HSE.

We get told the NHS is UNBELIEVABLE. Surely they can handle what's happening in just 6 counties.

Nonoperational · 11-10-2020 02:35PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

What part is false, it hasn't been explained once and backed up with any data that says it's false.
The CCO hadn't the data when questioned by McNamara so I very much doubt you have it.

You clearly don't have a rashers. The sensitivity and specificity of the various tests are available and if you bothered to read the stats behind such calculations you'd see what a show you are making of yourself.

Embarrassing.

B.A._Baracus · 11-10-2020 02:36PM

Deshawn wrote: »

Would you be willing to take the first round of vaccine?

Do you hate it when people gloss over what you say then ask some random question?

KnowingWind · 11-10-2020 02:37PM

I cant believe they havent upped the lock down level yet or at least introduced fines for people not following rules.

Typical mess. Will only act when damage has been done.

Necro · 11-10-2020 02:37PM

Deshawn wrote: »

Would you be willing to take the first round of vaccine?

I would in all honesty. No problem at all once it's been approved.

Necro · 11-10-2020 02:39PM

GazzaL wrote: »

We get told the NHS is UNBELIEVABLE. Surely they can handle what's happening in just 6 counties.

I think the problem moreso is funding for NI in general, it's an economic black-hole that imo the Brits would privately love to be shot of.

They'll never ever state that publicly though.

Deshawn · 11-10-2020 02:42PM

Necro wrote: »

I would in all honesty. No problem at all once it's been approved.

Fair enough. I wouldn't take it.

I can see a brewing legal issue where the rights of the individual to choose to take a vaccine Vs the common interest of a country where governments will push to make a vaccine mandatory will come into play.

Deshawn · 11-10-2020 02:43PM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Do you hate it when people gloss over what you say then ask some random question?

Fair enough. Il hold my hands up there
My bad

drunkmonkey · 11-10-2020 02:43PM

Nonoperational wrote: »

You clearly don't have a rashers. The sensitivity and specificity of the various tests are available and if you bothered to read the stats behind such calculations you'd see what a show you are making of yourself.

Embarrassing.

You said the exact same thing the last time, if the data is there present it. I presented a few different sources. I've said numerous times I don't think it's a major thing but you and a few others latch onto that one piece while sticking your heads in the sand on the other contributing factors when it comes to testing.

The only thing embarrassing is your and the other posters lack of data to make your point and a Newstalk tweet from DeGascun doesn't make the cut.

The simple fact your have to resort to demoralising a poster rather then present your Irish based facts says it all.

ACitizenErased · 11-10-2020 02:44PM

Deshawn wrote: »

Fair enough. I wouldn't take it.

I can see a brewing legal issue where the rights of the individual to choose to take a vaccine Vs the common interest of a country where governments will push to make a vaccine mandatory will come into play.

You’re anti-vax? Thats a shocker

landofthetree · 11-10-2020 02:46PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Am I the only one thinking there's a bit of politics at play with our reaction to all this, only game in town now seems to be annex the north from the UK.

First it was murdering innocent people.
Then it was demographics.
Then it was Brexit.
Now its Covid.

MerlinSouthDub · 11-10-2020 02:47PM

GazzaL wrote: »

We get told the NHS is UNBELIEVABLE. Surely they can handle what's happening in just 6 counties.

We get told so much rubbish. Life expectancy in Ireland is higher than in the UK.

smellyoldboot · 11-10-2020 02:47PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Ah but Jacinda.... Initiated a Socialist Nanny state...."Do you know how hard it is to quarantine a country of two small islands with low population and a wealth of natural resources that renders them completely self-sufficient?

On the plus side, I don't think even Irish people would be stupid enough to elect someone with a name like "Jacinda". Pure "from de flats" bang off it.

DeanAustin · 11-10-2020 02:48PM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Just been reading online about people saying we shouldn't have another lockdown (full on)
Doesn't matter how many cases we get a day.
Doesn't matter if the hospital's can't carry the load.
Could have 20,000 cases a day. Doesn't matter keep everything open.

I used to think well that's just someone's opinion and fair enough. Now am starting to think it's really about people not giving a boll*cks. Let people die, I don't care as long as I can go the shops attitude etc.

Like all this Corona mess has shown what people really are ... Those who don't wanna wear masks.... Those who think Corona is a hoax. Those who think it's 5g etc.

It's a valid argument. Without a vaccine, we aren't getting rid of this virus unless it burns itself out. Locking down isn't a viable medium or long term strategy in my view.

The danger is, and I'm not sure if you've done it here, that people construct this stereotypical scapegoat of the type of person who doesn't want a lockdown. They usually hold the last three beliefs you listed and love going for a feed of pints. Because if you have some sort of bogeyman that fits into that description, they have to be wrong don't they?

I am against lockdowns. I wear a mask every time I go to a shop/indoors/to pick up my kids. I don't think corona is a hoax. I don't believe any of the conspiracy ****e about 5g. I'm well past the age where a feed of pints is something I want to do regularly or can do regularly.

I can't say I've lived 100% by restrictions but I've not been a million miles away. But I just don't believe lockdowns are viable. Likewise, I don't think any other course of action, without a vaccine, is much better. I've said it repeatedly - all the government have are terrible options and worse ones and they have to try and distinguish between them knowing they'll be hammered either way.

speckle · 11-10-2020 02:49PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You’re anti-vax? Thats a shocker

I think you have to allow for the fact a small number of people are non responders to vaccines or have had adverse documented reactions in the past. The HSE even allows for that amongst HCWs.

Deshawn · 11-10-2020 02:50PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You’re anti-vax? Thats a shocker

I have had every vaccination since a child. Iv gone over seas to Asia and had my vaccinations. Iv had flu vaccines. I wear my mask and sanitise my hands going in and out of buildings. I keep away from my elderly parents and rarely visit. I have worked every day throughout this pandemic as I'm classed as an essential worker

I am not anti Vax. Do not pigeon hole me please

However I won't take this vaccine as I'm not comfortable with the pace it has been developed. I'm also not comfortable that pharmaceutical companies developing the vaccine have been given legal immunity.

I'm not comfortable taking this vaccine and know plenty of other people who think the same. And I'm entitled to think that way without digs or comments.

landofthetree · 11-10-2020 02:50PM

GazzaL wrote: »

We get told the NHS is UNBELIEVABLE. Surely they can handle what's happening in just 6 counties.

No health system anywhere can cope without major restrictions till a vaccine comes along.

ACitizenErased · 11-10-2020 02:53PM

Deshawn wrote: »

I have had every vaccination since a child. Iv gone over seas to Asia and had my vaccinations. Iv had flu vaccines. I wear my mask and sanitise my hands going in and out of buildings. I keep away from my elderly parents and rarely visit. I have worked every day throughout this pandemic as I'm classed as an essential worker

I am not anti Vax. Do not pigeon hole me please

However I won't take this vaccine as I'm not comfortable with the pace it has been developed. I'm also not comfortable that pharmaceutical companies developing the vaccine have been given legal immunity.

I'm not comfortable taking this vaccine and know plenty of other people who think the same. And I'm entitled to think that way without digs or comments.

I think people have a moral obligation to protect their community tbh and taking a vaccine which has been approved by the European Medicines Agency and HPRA is part of that, maybe thats just me

Deshawn · 11-10-2020 02:55PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I think people have a moral obligation to protect their community tbh and taking a vaccine which has been approved by the European Medicines Agency and HPRA is part of that, maybe thats just me

Is a vaccination an immunity to a disease?

Strumms · 11-10-2020 02:55PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

NI didn't contribute to our Fire service in the 40's , yet tenders from Dundalk went to Belfast to help tackle blazes from bombs dropped by the LW.
There is a history of people form both sides availing of the services of the other state.
Thankfully no one outside of Boards will agree with what you are claiming should happen.

People quite frankly DO agree.

Running a couple of fire engines up the road isn’t the equivalent of what absolute off the wall madness has been suggesting by you, which is... opening up a health service that is under resourced to help the almost 5 million people living here to overnight be available to up to an extra 700,000 people who hold Irish passports in NI. In the middle of a crisis never faced by Ireland or the modern world. Right.

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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