Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

theballz · 11-10-2020 09:34AM

Widdensushi wrote: »

??? What public want it, I know 1 person that wants it and hundreds who don't.

What? I don’t know a single person who wants that.

whisky_galore · 11-10-2020 09:36AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

This is disgraceful carry on and should not be condoned.

https://twitter.com/IrishTimes/status/1314983671510626304?s=20

Fines for the organisers of both sides of this shıtshow would sort that, those €2,500 fines that are on the books already?

is_that_so · 11-10-2020 09:36AM

giveitholly wrote: »

Not disagreeing with you but I don't see much of a difference between level 4 and level 5,Suppose if they go to level 5 the schools will definitely close even though it wasn't in the original plan. Level 4 and they will try keep the schools open

Level 4 leaves some retail, hospitality, outdoor and possibly construction open. Level 5 is back to essentials and a huge financial hit to the economy. A lot more currently viable companies could go under.

Paddygreen · 11-10-2020 09:37AM

manniot2 wrote: »

According to the opinion poles them seem to. I think they do anything dr cervical recommends to be honest

They are a very opinionated bunch Poles, but I don’t think they have opened a chapter of the Dr Tony fan club yet and started knitting him jumpers.

Hurrache · 11-10-2020 09:39AM

Xtrail14 wrote: »

So that all the Dubliners can have a longer holiday in Kerry, Cork, Galway etc and poison the place with their virus.

If we're going to spread our wealth with the paupers, the least they can do is take the virus in return.

Jim_Hodge · 11-10-2020 09:40AM

manniot2 wrote: »

It’s gonna be level 5. The public want it too much and Leo etc know it.

What cr@p! You mean the 22% of the public poled this week who said there should be more restrictions (and even some of them stopped short of full Level 5)?

Go make up some more facts and try to spin your fantasies around something that's not easily checked and verified.

Littleredcar · 11-10-2020 09:41AM

US2 wrote: »

I note the way you worded that. Passed away how ? It's not uncommon for a 51 year old to die of any cause. His positive test may be completely unrelated?

I’ve heard of that case a friend of a friend of a friend he was a fit man and died of covid . It can and does happen

Icyseanfitz · 11-10-2020 09:42AM

theballz wrote: »

What? I don’t know a single person who wants that.

I don't think any of us want more restrictions, however a lot of us realize its their only card left to play at this stage, what else can they do?

Gael23 · 11-10-2020 09:44AM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

I don't think any of us want more restrictions, however a lot of us realize its their only card left to play at this stage, what else can they do?

Give Level 3 a fair chance

Icyseanfitz · 11-10-2020 09:46AM

Gael23 wrote: »

Give Level 3 a fair chance

After a month we can say it isn't working fast enough for Dublin or Donegal, its stabilizing numbers at unworkable levels.

Beasty · 11-10-2020 09:46AM

PowerToWait wrote: »

You have your shyte....

Threadbanned

Longing · 11-10-2020 09:47AM

Update from Cavan Hospital. Another 22 have tested positive in the hospital from 8pm last night highest number of Covid-19 patients in the country.

https://www.northernsound.ie/cavan-general-highest-number-covid-19-patients/

Tredstone · 11-10-2020 09:48AM

Gael23 wrote: »

Give Level 3 a fair chance

Agree and it's not a simple black/ white with the levels

There's non-cooperation at level 5 and unregulated social gatherings of schoolkids and house parties etc.

Thierry12 · 11-10-2020 09:53AM

Longing wrote: »

Update from Cavan Hospital. Another 22 have tested positive in the hospital from 8pm last night highest number of Covid-19 patients in the country.

https://www.northernsound.ie/cavan-general-highest-number-covid-19-patients/

10 cent masks are not up to much

xhomelezz · 11-10-2020 09:54AM

All eyes will be on hospitals now.

mr_edge_to_you · 11-10-2020 09:55AM

Gael23 wrote: »

Give Level 3 a fair chance

The problem is we had level 2 with no enforcement and we now have level 3 with no meaningful enforcement. That's led us to the situation we are now in.

I'm now in my 3rd month of unemployment. Been working for last 23 years continuously and this is the first time in my life that I'm in receipt of social welfare. My wife is a nurse and is dealing with the serious side of the virus on daily basis. She herself has elderly parents they rely heavily on her and she is taking a risk everything she goes to work.

I fully support a Circuit Break approach - a full shut down for 3 weeks. Everything bar emergency services, supermarkets and pharmacies to close. This should be fully enforced along with stringent Border restrictions.

Let the North clean up their own mess. Its a farce that I can't go from Meath to Kildare but people from Down to Louth etc.

Then we we scale back to a fully enforced level 4 and work our way back to level 2. The reality is, and for all its faults, the level 2 restrictions if applied and strictly enforced allow me and my family to get back to some level of normality.

Masks should be mandatory with exceptions for those who for extreme media reasons can't wear them. If any group decide they want to march up Grafton St for any reason, they should be stopped with a water canon.

ZX7R · 11-10-2020 09:56AM

is_that_so wrote: »

It might. Indo hinting that Level 5 may happen within 10 days and Varadkar talking more seriously about circuit breakers. The suggestion is the NPHET meeting on Thursday is decision time on all of this.

The problem with a circuit breaker is that it's a governmental objective it's been talked about in europe also but the problem been it's not getting much support from the medical side.
A circuit breaker will have a less impact on economies in short to midum term.
For a circuit breaker to work there has too be an agreed length of time start to finish and to get the public and business sector to buy into it .
And then you would have to have the bare minimum of restrictions after it.
Some statistics see that you would need to do it at least 3 time's in a year.
The idea is not getting support form medical perspective as you would let your hospitals ect build up to near capacity between breakers.

Paddygreen · 11-10-2020 09:58AM

Just saw George Lee on the street guys, he looks absolutely terrified. It’s like he came back from a tour of duty in a war zone, he has got the thousand yard stare and everything guys. I’m wondering if he was up in Cavan recently.

landofthetree · 11-10-2020 10:00AM

mr_edge_to_you wrote: »

The problem is we had level 2 with no enforcement and we now have level 3 with no meaningful enforcement. That's led us to the situation we are now in.

I'm now in my 3rd month of unemployment. Been working for last 23 years continuously and this is the first time in my life that I'm in receipt of social welfare. My wife is a nurse and is dealing with the serious side of the virus on daily basis. She herself has elderly parents they rely heavily on her and she is taking a risk everything she goes to work.

I fully support a Circuit Break approach - a full shut down for 3 weeks. Everything bar emergency services, supermarkets and pharmacies to close. This should be fully enforced along with stringent Border restrictions.

Let the North clean up their own mess. Its a farce that I can't go from Meath to Kildare but people from Down to Louth etc.

Then we we scale back to a fully enforced level 4 and work our way back to level 2. The reality is, and for all its faults, the level 2 restrictions if applied and strictly enforced allow me and my family to get back to some level of normality.

Masks should be mandatory with exceptions for those who for extreme media reasons can't wear them. If any group decide they want to march up Grafton St for any reason, they should be stopped with a water canon.

They would need to stop all house parties or they are back to square one.

Unfortunately they dont seem to have the political will to do it. The hysterics of the drunkards would be quiet funny if they did.

stephenjmcd · 11-10-2020 10:02AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Our economy is fcuked anyways, it doesn't matter what way you go. Keep it open or close things, we're well and truly fcuked.

Of course it matters, its the difference between putting hundreds of thousands back onto social welfare with no mortgage payment breaks.

What an outlandish statement, with little understanding if your saying it doesn't matter if things are open or closed. Only hosptiality is the really in the gutter at the moment.
Level 4/5 will finish off alot of business with far reaching consequences, this was laid out by the minister in the department of finance, so of course it matters.

Whatever about Leo and Martin, Donohoe knows what he's on about when warning about these things.

AlphaDelta1 · 11-10-2020 10:02AM

Level 5 unfortunately looks inevitable now. Going to finish off many a business but little choice left at this juncture.

Sh1t looking Winter ahead.

is_that_so · 11-10-2020 10:02AM

ZX7R wrote: »

The problem with a circuit breaker is that it's a governmental objective it's been talked about in europe also but the problem been it's not getting much support from the medical side.
A circuit breaker will have a less impact on economies in short to midum term.
For a circuit breaker to work there has too be an agreed length of time start to finish and to get the public and business sector to buy into it .
And then you would have to have the bare minimum of restrictions after it.
Some statistics see that you would need to do it at least 3 time's in a year.
The idea is not getting support form medical perspective as you would let your hospitals ect build up to near capacity between breakers.

I'm not all that convinced by them for that reason, length of time is not guaranteed. They can easily become just a full-on open-ended restriction. The other issue is the type of tension a NPHET-government view of this would bring.

Paddygreen · 11-10-2020 10:04AM

ZX7R wrote: »

The problem with a circuit breaker is that it's a governmental objective it's been talked about in europe also but the problem been it's not getting much support from the medical side.
A circuit breaker will have a less impact on economies in short to midum term.
For a circuit breaker to work there has too be an agreed length of time start to finish and to get the public and business sector to buy into it .
And then you would have to have the bare minimum of restrictions after it.
Some statistics see that you would need to do it at least 3 time's in a year.
The idea is not getting support form medical perspective as you would let your hospitals ect build up to near capacity between breakers.

“Circuit breaker” catchy phrase isn’t it, one of my favurite covid related phrases, a close second to “flatten the curve” for me. Bojo coined it I think, then our guys poached it in less than 24 hours.

s1ippy · 11-10-2020 10:05AM

We live in a very busy area, lots of students around and an offie very close by. It's our third weekend in the house since moving here and by comparison with the other two weekends, this one was absolutely dead. It was like a Monday night every night.

A lot of ambulances screeching around though. Twenty eight yesterday from waking to sleeping.

Graces7 · 11-10-2020 10:05AM

Gods Gift wrote: »

Santa will not be opening any letter this year due to the risks associated with people licking envelopes and stamps.

Sorry for any inconvenience.

Ah but his elves use email now

Eod100 · 11-10-2020 10:06AM

Keep hearing that NZ's suppression strategy failed because more cases are inevitable. They were able to have 30,000 spectators for rugby match vs Australia this weekend. Doesn't look like failure to me.

ax530 · 11-10-2020 10:06AM

mcburns07 wrote: »

The calls for level 5 are so misinformed and short sighted. The only thing that will actually work over a sustained period of time is people cutting down on close contacts. How difficult is it to just restrict your close contacts on any given week to handful?

If we end up shutting half the economy again we're in big trouble.

I agree but I find it increasingly difficult to keep contacts low. I spend all weekend saying No to people who want to visit, meet up ect. Family getting annoyed when I say no don't travel across country and visit.
Pressure & stress increasing all the time there are still people organising birthday parties for children.
Some people only seem to understand L1 and /5 .
This situation really highlighting selfish people.

Paddygreen · 11-10-2020 10:08AM

ZX7R wrote: »

The problem with a circuit breaker is that it's a governmental objective it's been talked about in europe also but the problem been it's not getting much support from the medical side.
A circuit breaker will have a less impact on economies in short to midum term.
For a circuit breaker to work there has too be an agreed length of time start to finish and to get the public and business sector to buy into it .
And then you would have to have the bare minimum of restrictions after it.
Some statistics see that you would need to do it at least 3 time's in a year.
The idea is not getting support form medical perspective as you would let your hospitals ect build up to near capacity between breakers.

AlphaDelta1 wrote: »

Level 5 unfortunately looks inevitable now. Going to finish off many a business but little choice left at this juncture.

Sh1t looking Winter ahead.

The only way to destroy the virus is to destroy the economy, unfortunately.

GazzaL · 11-10-2020 10:09AM

PowerToWait wrote: »

Again, you simply do not have any idea about what you’re talking about.

NPHET is an advisory committee essentially. It has nothing to do with testing, tracing or healthcare management. That’s for the HSE and the government, who rejected NPHET advice just this week.

And again, in simple terms, if the healthcare system is overwhelmed, the economy is fcuked, the ever crowed about mental health is not going to be too hot, and employment will be decimated.

We live in a thing known as a society. It’s sort of like a team, like Man United or something. This is a challenge for society. Our team is losing, the goalkeeper has been sent off, The only way to improve the outcome is to come together and endure individually perceived discomforts in order that our society, the team, can survive.

NPHET are the steering committee. They are responsible for overseeing and providing direction for how the country deals with COVID. Have you seen who makes up NPHET?

Some people seem to want to deify them and absolve them of any blame. They are not above criticism.

BringBackMick · 11-10-2020 10:11AM

Eod100 wrote: »

Keep hearing that NZ's suppression strategy failed because more cases are inevitable. They were able to have 30,000 spectators for rugby match vs Australia this weekend. Doesn't look like failure to me.

Not sure you have absorbed the extent of New Zealand's geographic isolation yet.

But some people just don't like to accept the reality that it is impossible to replicate the NZ response in Ireland.

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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