Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

Wolf359f · 11-10-2020 02:56AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

There comes a point where one recognises with grace they are wrong despite the incorrect information they post and they then step away from the shovel and avoid further embrassament.

Feel free to answer the question.
If the legislation the Fire Brigade enact is incorrect, maybe tell your former workmates.
AGS and the Fire Brigade can already enter a private dwelling without a warrant.
So the constitutional protection isn't like diplomatic immunity when you're in a private dwelling.

Plumbthedepths · 11-10-2020 02:59AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Feel free to answer the question.
If the legislation the Fire Brigade enact is incorrect, maybe tell your former workmates.
AGS and the Fire Brigade can already enter a private dwelling without a warrant.
So the constitutional protection isn't like diplomatic immunity when you're in a private dwelling.

I don't need to answer anything, I'm aware of the law as are members of AGS. You however are clueless yet wish to suggest you know everything. Good luck with that. ;-)

Goldengirl · 11-10-2020 03:12AM

tom1ie wrote: »

So parents that CAN wfh what happens there?
Wfh plus teach your kids?
That’s a non runner.

I wouldn't say it's a non runner , just not preferable , but it's a compromise , like many are having to make .
What is your suggestion ?

growleaves · 11-10-2020 03:15AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

So that doesn't mean protecting persons?
Over 5% positivity rate.... House gathering of 20 people with no social distancing, contract tracing etc... 1 would statistically be infected, so there is justification for protecting people.

A fire is a definite physical risk whereas a statistical projection of harm from a virus is an abstraction. Even though the abstraction stands for a physical risk it isn't itself a physical risk.

The legislation would not have been intended to protect against hypothetical risks - even if its a strong hypothesis and people treat that hypothesis as an absolute fact which is as real to them or more real than things that can actually be verified.

Goldengirl · 11-10-2020 03:32AM

speckle wrote: »

Is that a higher then norm percentage of ICU admissions for healthcare workers than the general public per hospitalised cases? What is the causes ethic background, co morbidtys including weight?

And you mentioned elderly not being admitted due to age to ICU, is that unfair as Germany posted recently the death rate for the over 80s is 11%?

I would say higher viral load than those in the community .would be the likeliest seeing as to their relatively young age and fitness to work .
That is what has been found in other countries where health care workers died .
As to co morbidities I don't know is the answer

I knew one of them that died , a fantastic doctor , dedicated and hardworking , not overweight, don't know about his medical history , and a loss to everyone who knew him , his family and all the patients he cared for so well. RIP .
So I can't be objective here and will bow out , goodnight

Graces7 · 11-10-2020 03:35AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

I would say higher viral load than those in the community .would be the likeliest seeing as to their relatively young age and fitness to work .
That is what has been found in other countries where health care workers died .
As to co morbidities I don't know is the answer

I knew one of them that died , a fantastic doctor , dedicated and hardworking , not overweight, don't know about his medical history , and a loss to everyone who knew him , his family and all the patients he cared for so well. RIP .
So I can't be objective here and will bow out , goodnight

Rest well!

spookwoman · 11-10-2020 04:14AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

I would say higher viral load than those in the community .would be the likeliest seeing as to their relatively young age and fitness to work .
That is what has been found in other countries where health care workers died .
As to co morbidities I don't know is the answer

I knew one of them that died , a fantastic doctor , dedicated and hardworking , not overweight, don't know about his medical history , and a loss to everyone who knew him , his family and all the patients he cared for so well. RIP .
So I can't be objective here and will bow out , goodnight

29/9 was the last report on healthcare workers

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-19casesinhealthcareworkers/HCW_report_28%2009%202020_1.0_web.pdf

Widdensushi · 11-10-2020 06:36AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

So that doesn't mean protecting persons?
Over 5% positivity rate.... House gathering of 20 people with no social distancing, contract tracing etc... 1 would statistically be infected, so there is justification for protecting people.

Are you insinuating that the current 5% positivity rate (1000 positive for 20000 tests) is indicative of the country population (250000 positive), that would mean that the testing of the sick, the contact tracing, testing of higher risk I.e. Hcw etc is of little use?

Pablo Escobar · 11-10-2020 07:27AM

growleaves wrote: »

1,077,428 (Worldometer)

I was using 780 million as the 10% figure

So you think the worldometer case numbers are wrong, but somehow the deaths are accurate?

There's many, many countries where deaths are being under reported, massively in a lot of cases. There's also countries where there's is very little visibility.

Some estimates of deaths that I've heard is multiply it by 2. However, there's a lot of unknowns around that, it could be higher but unlikely to be much lower. The IFR would be around 0.3% I would think, but that assumes ICU capacity for the most part. If we have no capacity, it goes up fast.

The HorsesMouth · 11-10-2020 07:53AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

CUH and the Mercy, both in Cork and increasing cases in Cork? What the fcuk?

PowerToWait wrote: »

You have your shyte. You've been on here hourly for months finding excuses for every cluster, outbreak and rise in numbers. 'Analysing' the numbers like some self appointed lord of statistics, discounting everyone with even a passing concern that things were looking like they could get worse. Insulting and denigrating posters for 'hysteria' and 'fear mongering'.

Now you are confronted with the cold reality that the fcuking shiit has hit the fan, things are going to hell in a handbag and all you cared about was how Cork was doing better than Dublin and how the GAA shouldn't be persecuted.

Now it's all coming back to bite you, there's egg on your face, the 'doom sayers' were right and the country is going to be in a fcuking heap by Christmas, no economy, no healthcare, no fcuk all because pints and the ****ty junior B was more important than everything else.

You need to get a grip on yourself here. The poster was himself discounted by many on here. It's happening all over the forum and on both sides. Everyone has an opinion on it but at the end of the day that's all it is. The government have one, NPHET have one etc. The news yesterday was awful...no one wanted to see it. But what on earth is the point taking time out of your life to castigate someone for taking perhaps a too optimistic outlook? He's not the only one doing it.

Gammyeye · 11-10-2020 07:58AM

So do we think things will be moved to level 4 or 5 before the three weeks on level 3?

GooglePlus · 11-10-2020 08:05AM

Gammyeye wrote: »

So do we think things will be moved to level 4 or 5 before the three weeks on level 3?

If Dublin starts climbing still, they'll at least have to move there up I reckon.

JTMan · 11-10-2020 08:11AM

Sunday Independent reports here (paywall) that a "new lockdown looks large".

- Leo Varadkar has admitted a "short, hard lockdown" known as a circuit break may be needed to reduce Covid-19 numbers to manageable levels.
- senior government sources have told the Sunday Independent it now looks increasingly possible the country will be in lockdown within 10 days.
- A decision is expected to be made after Thursday's meeting of Nphet, the State's science and medical advisory body.
- Separately, other government sources say Donegal is on the verge of going to Phase 4.

Santy2015 · 11-10-2020 08:15AM

Heard a good one from a lad at work yesterday. A few women he knows, close enough neighbours on the north side of cork city went off to Spain for 2 weeks and back now! No bother to them at all, supposedly got abuse for going out shopping etc! Isolating now anyway.
If this is true, you’d wonder how cases did increase so rapidly in Cork and or Dublin, you’ve muppets like that not giving a flying fûck!!

11-10-2020 08:19AM

Pablo Escobar wrote: »

So you think the worldometer case numbers are wrong, but somehow the deaths are accurate?

There's many, many countries where deaths are being under reported, massively in a lot of cases. There's also countries where there's is very little visibility.

Some estimates of deaths that I've heard is multiply it by 2. However, there's a lot of unknowns around that, it could be higher but unlikely to be much lower. The IFR would be around 0.3% I would think, but that assumes ICU capacity for the most part. If we have no capacity, it goes up fast.

And then countries like ourselves who massively overstate deaths.

Away With The Fairies · 11-10-2020 08:30AM

The HorsesMouth wrote: »

You need to get a grip on yourself here. The poster was himself discounted by many on here. It's happening all over the forum and on both sides. Everyone has an opinion on it but at the end of the day that's all it is. The government have one, NPHET have one etc. The news yesterday was awful...no one wanted to see it. But what on earth is the point taking time out of your life to castigate someone for taking perhaps a too optimistic outlook? He's not the only one doing it.

Telling us to get a grip? Do you see anything wrong with no ICU beds in Cork? How do you not find that worrying?

Looney1 · 11-10-2020 08:30AM

JTMan wrote: »

Sunday Independent reports here (paywall) that a "new lockdown looks large".

- Leo Varadkar has admitted a "short, hard lockdown" known as a circuit break may be needed to reduce Covid-19 numbers to manageable levels.
- senior government sources have told the Sunday Independent it now looks increasingly possible the country will be in lockdown within 10 days.
- A decision is expected to be made after Thursday's meeting of Nphet, the State's science and medical advisory body.
- Separately, other government sources say Donegal is on the verge of going to Phase 4.

What are they waiting for?. Cases to get worse??

GazzaL · 11-10-2020 08:30AM

It's a disgrace to contemplate locking down the entire country. If you're at risk, or simply terrified of the virus, or have a nasty authoritarian streak in you, take your own advice and STAY THE **** AT HOME and leave the rest of society to get on with living with COVID and every other illness out there.

COVID isn't going away you know.

Away With The Fairies · 11-10-2020 08:32AM

GazzaL wrote: »

It's a disgrace to contemplate locking down the entire country. If you're at risk, or simply terrified of the virus, or have a nasty authoritarian streak in you, take your own advice and STAY THE **** AT HOME and leave the rest of society to get on with living with COVID and every other illness out there.

Everyone is at risk here.

Icyseanfitz · 11-10-2020 08:33AM

JTMan wrote: »

Sunday Independent reports here (paywall) that a "new lockdown looks large".

- Leo Varadkar has admitted a "short, hard lockdown" known as a circuit break may be needed to reduce Covid-19 numbers to manageable levels.
- senior government sources have told the Sunday Independent it now looks increasingly possible the country will be in lockdown within 10 days.
- A decision is expected to be made after Thursday's meeting of Nphet, the State's science and medical advisory body.
- Separately, other government sources say Donegal is on the verge of going to Phase 4.

Its a disgrace that they will wait to Thursday to make any sort of decision, not like time is of the essence or anything :rolleyes:

Tredstone · 11-10-2020 08:34AM

Looney1 wrote: »

What are they waiting for?. Cases to get worse??

Waiting to see European/Global moves

We lose economically big time if we're too early

tigger123 · 11-10-2020 08:36AM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Its a disgrace that they will wait to Thursday to make any sort of decision, not like time is of the essence or anything :rolleyes:

Think they have to wait to see if the current restrictions are working. There's a lag between implementinting them and how it effects numbers.

What they may be seeing now is slightly worrying data, which they may have to act on if it continues in a certain direction.

LessOutragePlz · 11-10-2020 08:37AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Everyone is at risk here.

Yeah 0.05% risk of dying from it if you're under 45 same risk as dying from a lightening strike we might as well never leave the house so with that logic.

Icyseanfitz · 11-10-2020 08:37AM

Tredstone wrote: »

Waiting to see European/Global moves

We lose economically big time if we're too early

Exactly what i think they are doing, waiting for someone else to make the first move. Problem is we are probably at the most risk within the EU due to our dwindling hospital capacity, so they would want to pull their indecisive fingers out if their arses and make some tough decisions. Useless :mad:

GazzaL · 11-10-2020 08:37AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Everyone is at risk here.

Everyone can catch it, but most people aren't seriously affected by it, if they are even affected by it at all. If someone is in one of the risk groups, then they should take precautions to protect themselves. We can't just keep shutting everything down in the magical hope that COVID will disappear, because it's here to stay. The only people proposing lockdowns now are fantasists and fascists.

Goldrickssan · 11-10-2020 08:38AM

If we're the only place to lockdown again fully we might not get support from the EU.

Anyone remember how long it took to get agreement on the first covid bailout money? That might not come this time around. It's not a case of lockdown and let the EU help us out - we might end up on our own.

tigger123 · 11-10-2020 08:39AM

It's good to see in opinion polls that there is broad support for the restrictions.

You'd be forgiven for thinking otherwise if you spend too much time online.

Icyseanfitz · 11-10-2020 08:39AM

tigger123 wrote: »

Think they have to wait to see if the current restrictions are working. There's a lag between implementinting them and how it effects numbers.

What they may be seeing now is slightly worrying data, which they may have to act on if it continues in a certain direction.

So they will wait another 2-3 weeks? That would be madness the way cases are increasing.

GazzaL · 11-10-2020 08:39AM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Exactly what i think they are doing, waiting for someone else to make the first move. Problem is we are probably at the most risk within the EU due to our dwindling hospital capacity, so they would want to pull their indecisive fingers out if their arses and make some tough decisions. Useless :mad:

NPHET continue to fail. They have made a complete balls of things every step of the way and have learned nothing. They don't give a ****, they're getting paid regardless.

Tredstone · 11-10-2020 08:40AM

It would be economic suicide to unilaterally close down business now

Esp. if they have measures in place

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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