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Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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  • #6812
    billyhead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,725 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    People shouldn't get bogged down in the daily infection numbers. It's the death rates we need to be concerned about.


  • #6813
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,003 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    copeyhagen wrote: »
    who the **** is actually getting this thing. i still only know of one person i know that caught it, and that was March

    To put it in perspective, at today's positive case rate, it would take over 13 years for everyone in the republic of Ireland to test positive.


  • #6814
    Eason Attractive Stud
    Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭ Eason Attractive Stud


    Leinster House and Stormont need to get their heads together pronto.


  • #6815
    sterz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭sterz


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    All I'll say is i don't think level 3 will do anything, i had to travel from my own town to a neighboring town in the same county today, both where as busy as ive ever seen, plenty not bothering with masks as well, plenty of tourists around as well.

    So what do you attribute the apparent stablisation in Dublin to, if it's not because they're at level 3?


  • #6816
    stockshares
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,772 ✭✭✭stockshares


    billyhead wrote: »
    People shouldn't get bogged down in the daily infection numbers. It's the death rates we need to be concerned about.

    I think Hospital numbers are more important as an immediate warning sign but then again there are always going to be a percentage of total cases ending up in Hospital so the higher daily cases the higher in Hospital and higher deaths as a result.


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  • #6817
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    billyhead wrote: »
    People shouldn't get bogged down in the daily infection numbers. It's the death rates we need to be concerned about.

    I have addressed this before both here and by letter to An Taniste, the Minister for Health and my local TDs.

    I note that there is a 3 month period to report a death under Irish legislation. This means that death numbers are unreliable estimate of the position of the virus within the country. To reliably use them we need to introduce legislation reducing the reporting period in the case of death to a minimal level. Perhaps as low as 24 hours.


  • #6818
    Gadgetman496
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,580 ✭✭✭Gadgetman496


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    To put it in perspective, at today's positive case rate, it would take over 13 years for everyone in the republic of Ireland to test positive.

    But starting tomorrow any of us could be the first...

    "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."



  • #6819
    sterz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭sterz


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    241 today Dublin and it has restrictions level 3 for a few weeks

    Not sure if you saw this post.


  • #6820
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,003 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Gadgetman496 wrote: »
    But starting tomorrow any of us could be the first...

    And more than likely not know we have it until they tell us we tested positive;)


  • #6821
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,233 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    billyhead wrote: »
    People shouldn't get bogged down in the daily infection numbers. It's the death rates we need to be concerned about.

    Not just the death rates though.... it's the widespread disruption that increased cases cause, regardless of how low the death numbers are. While covid is in circulation, hospitals can not function normally and all other health services will suffer. The disruption began some time ago and is getting worse.

    An 'only worry about the deaths' approach, is too simplistic.


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  • #6822
    Gadgetman496
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,580 ✭✭✭Gadgetman496


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    "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."



  • #6823
    TonyMaloney
    Site Banned Posts: 2,225 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Dublin has been stable for the last 2 or 3 weeks. The move to Level 3 nationwide should help Dublin go down, with fewer people coming in and out of Dublin.

    Dublin hasn't been growing anywhere near the pace of the rest of the country, and that's a real positive.
    I think/hope it shows our current restrictions are pretty effective.
    But stability at these levels of infection isn't really possible. It could take off again.

    The way I'm seeing it, we might move to level 4 or 5 for a number of weeks to get numbers down to manageable levels again, and then hope to ride out the rest of the winter and most of spring on something like level 3.

    As bad as things are right now, I think we're being given a lot of opportunity to learn and if we take those opportunities we just might find a decent enough path out of this bloody mess.


  • #6824
    Doctors room ghost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,871 ✭✭✭Doctors room ghost


    Gadgetman496 wrote: »
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    I bet Leo is vexed he didn’t write that instead of the lord of the rings poem he used.


  • #6825
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    sterz wrote: »
    Not sure if you saw this post.

    That's a fair point.

    Dublin has flattened out somewhat however the daily figure is very erratic and this makes it difficult to draw statistically significant conclusions. I expect that the 7 day average will rise again tomorrow for what it's worth.


  • #6826
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,938 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    stockshares wrote: »
    I think Hospital numbers are more important.

    They are...

    ...So how many are in ICU and how many have died in ICU?
    How many have died outside of ICU, i.e. in their beds?

    Of the weekly figures how many needed hospital treatment or were asymptomatic and told to self isolate?
    What % of those who died in the past 4 weeks had two 2 or more underlying conditions?

    Do we feel that if you look at the data for those who sadly passed away that this proves we need further restrictions/lockdowns?


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  • #6827
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    I wonder how long will it take before we all just accept that this virus is simply not containable at this stage. We could suppress it down to low levels by taking extreme measures which would cause even more harm than Covid itself.
    There are no easy choices but the idea of virtually shutting down all social activity is just bonkers imo. We might as well be trying to stop the tide going in and out.
    We have to live with this thing, so let’s just get on with it and let everyone take whatever precautions they feel necessary to take for themselves.


  • #6828
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,817 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    billyhead wrote: »
    People shouldn't get bogged down in the daily infection numbers. It's the death rates we need to be concerned about.

    Agreed and also hospital capacity. I say all hospital capacity as others need to go to hospital and we dont want a cancer patient going in for treatment to get it. The 1 thing I would say about amounts getting it is it be easier for someone to get it from someone


  • #6829
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Jesus. I suspect low number for next couple of days then another jump. Either way I think the overall trend will continue until we see the effect of the level 3 measures. No other countries data looks this messed up.

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  • #6830
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,596 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    The Snapper better start at 9.30 without them pontificating the news over it.


  • #6831
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    chrisbonnie wrote: »
    I'm the same, I know of 4 people who have been infected, they where all in march, all work in a hospital, and all where asymptomatic.

    I've also not seen or heard of one single house party in my estate.

    The whole thing is just bizarre and draining.

    People are finding it difficult to get through because we seem to be ****ing up on thurles most obvious of things. Track and trace, lack of beds. Allowing people into the country when we had very few cases. All common sense issues........

    Surely to **** in these past 6 months we could have built a temporary hospital, even a field hospital like the military use. But no, instead we did ****ing nothing.


    History is going to us up in a bad light over this. It such a fcuk up how we never had any border controls, quarantine centres, heavy penalties for isolation breakers. We never even had one of them measures to help control the spread of the virus. Australia got things right with border controls between the different states for one. Quarantine for arrivals. Heavy penalties for isolation breakers.


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  • #6832
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,233 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    I wonder how long will it take before we all just accept that this virus is simply not containable at this stage. We could suppress it down to low levels by taking extreme measures which would cause even more harm than Covid itself.
    There are no easy choices but the idea of virtually shutting down all social activity is just bonkers imo. We might as well be trying to stop the tide going in and out.
    We have to live with this thing, so let’s just get on with it and let everyone take whatever precautions they feel necessary to take for themselves.

    And carry on to the stage of having refrigerated morgue lorries parked outside hospitals? There has to be some attempt at control and reduction. If people don't or won't do it for themselves, then they have to be forced.


  • #6833
    manniot2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 713 ✭✭✭manniot2


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    I know two tested positive two weeks ago - one died last week.

    Sorry to hear that. What setting did they die in?


  • #6834
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,136 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    I wonder how long will it take before we all just accept that this virus is simply not containable at this stage. We could suppress it down to low levels by taking extreme measures which would cause even more harm than Covid itself.
    There are no easy choices but the idea of virtually shutting down all social activity is just bonkers imo. We might as well be trying to stop the tide going in and out.
    We have to live with this thing, so let’s just get on with it and let everyone take whatever precautions they feel necessary to take for themselves.

    Even more harm ? right, what extreme measures did we take ? There is NOTHING extreme in what we did or are doing, when you compare it with the alternative. To suggest ‘extreme’ is to suggest disproportionate. What we did and ARE doing is exactly proportional to the circumstances we are in.

    We simply, or the majority simply stood up and did the right thing and are continuing to do so and will continue to behave in responsible and fair thought out, responsible and intelligent ways.


  • #6835
    outsourced_ire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 292 ✭✭outsourced_ire


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    The Snapper better start at 9.30 without them pontificating the news over it.


    22:25 I believe (sorry:D)


  • #6836
    TonyMaloney
    Site Banned Posts: 2,225 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Jesus.

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    Bold request - overlay that with positive swabs


  • #6837
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,938 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Ger Roe wrote: »
    And carry on to the stage of having refrigerated morgue lorries parked outside hospitals? There has to be some attempt at control and reduction. If people don't or won't do it for themselves, then they have to be forced.

    The peak of deaths due to Covid was in April, can you tell me how many lorries were parked outside hospitals then?


  • #6838
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,414 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    I wonder how long will it take before we all just accept that this virus is simply not containable at this stage. We could suppress it down to low levels by taking extreme measures which would cause even more harm than Covid itself.
    There are no easy choices but the idea of virtually shutting down all social activity is just bonkers imo. We might as well be trying to stop the tide going in and out.
    We have to live with this thing, so let’s just get on with it and let everyone take whatever precautions they feel necessary to take for themselves.

    As always, comes to hospitals capacity.
    https://subscriptions.boards.ie/

    Hit the switch to keep the lights on.



  • #6839
    Renjit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    theballz wrote: »
    Chill out lads.

    Be grand!


  • #6840
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Jesus. I suspect low number for next couple of days then another jump. Either way I think the overall trend will continue until we see the effect of the level 3 measures. No other countries data looks this messed up.

    Yep, our case data is a joke, so inconsistent. Better off just looking at the swab data.


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  • #6841
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Will you be out of work though, what kind of financial affect will it have on you.

    I will

    I'll have 3 days a week if i'm lucky


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