Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

GooglePlus · 10-10-2020 05:15PM

Those backlogs paint a real pretty picture on the run up to reality, they should take a look at that reporting mechanism.

Zebra3 · 10-10-2020 05:15PM

firemansam4 wrote: »

I'm going to stay pretty optimistic on a vaccine in 2021 and it anoys me to hear people saying there won't be one for years ect when they really don't have much knowledge on the subject.

What's annoying is people saying a vaccine is on the way or they are confident one is on the way but won't give any evidence when asked especially when they don't have much knowledge on the subject.

I think it's safe to say that almost everyone wants a secure vaccine that will life back to how it was here before March. The exceptions being those who are getting hard at the thoughts of mass graves and all the hysteria.

So, still waiting on which vaccine it will be.....

polesheep · 10-10-2020 05:15PM

Boggles wrote: »

Does that include your 97 to 99 year old Aunt who contracted Covid twice?

How is she doing?

In a post earlier I stated that I don't pull people up over typos. You, on the other hand, like to do it again and again. Quite sad actually.

She's doing very well. Her second test result was positive due to remnants from the first.

10-10-2020 05:17PM

440Hertz wrote: »

I’d be wary of any vaccine approved by the White House to give Trump an electoral boost. Anything approved here will have gone though the EMA (European Medicines Agency) and other regulatory processes that are a lot more robust than the present US system where the FDA is being potentially overridden for political expediency.

I’d tend to ignore US commentary on this stuff as they’ve got problems that we won’t have.

FDA approval actually tends to be more difficult and they made Astra Zeneca/ Oxford jump through far more hoops to resume phase 3 following the potential adverse reaction. I would be hopeful standards will remain in spite of trump, as the CFR requirements which they regulate have not been changed

Deeper Blue · 10-10-2020 05:17PM

I see the boards vaccine experts have spoken

Looks like we'll never have a vaccine and if we do it won't work

We should let the world's leading epidemiologists, immunologists and all the pharmaceutical companies know that they're wasting all their time and money!

Plumbthedepths · 10-10-2020 05:18PM

polesheep wrote: »

In a post earlier I stated that I don't pull people up over typos. You, on the other hand, like to do it again and again. Quite sad actually.

She's doing very well. Her second test result was positive due to remnants from the first.

At least you weren't subject to the trade mark sarcasm. ;-)

440Hertz · 10-10-2020 05:19PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

FDA approval actually tends to be more difficult and they made Astra Zeneca/ Oxford jump through far more hoops to resume phase 3 following the potential adverse reaction. I would be hopeful standards will remain in spite of trump, as the CFR requirements which they regulate have not been changed

In normal times. Trump has already said he would override the FDA and shortcut approvals. I would be very iffy about anything marketed that looks like it’s to do with the US electoral cycle.

After November, that risk stops.

Zebra3 · 10-10-2020 05:19PM

El Sueño wrote: »

I see the boards vaccine experts have spoken

Looks like we'll never have a vaccine and if we do it won't work

We should let the world's leading epidemiologists, immunologists and all the pharmaceutical companies know that they're wasting all their time and money!

So which vaccine will be available?

manniot2 · 10-10-2020 05:20PM

patnor1011 wrote: »

The only thing NPHET needs to do in order to implement 5 or total lockdown is to get more cases simply by ramping up testing. If you are one of the fainthearted people and told you are positive that often manifests in the appearance of some symptoms... Then demand to be hospitalized.
That is actually happening - we see more cases, more hospitalizations but what is giving this away is that people pretty much stopped to die with covid.

They will ramp the testing up in places like cork in the coming days. Get the numbers right up. Throw a few lads in hospital and off we go to level 5.

Ficheall · 10-10-2020 05:20PM

polesheep wrote: »

She's doing very well. Her second test result was positive due to remnants from the first.

I feel our opinions differ on a lot, but I am glad to hear your aunt is doing well - I remember you posting about it the first time around (I presume it was you I'm thinking of) and being delighted to hear of someone of that age pulling through unscathed

CIARAN_BOYLE · 10-10-2020 05:20PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

What's annoying is people saying a vaccine is on the way or they are confident one is on the way but won't give any evidence when asked especially when they don't have much knowledge on the subject.

I think it's safe to say that almost everyone wants a secure vaccine that will life back to how it was here before March. The exceptions being those who are getting hard at the thoughts of mass graves and all the hysteria.

So, still waiting on which vaccine it will be.....

There's enough vaccines in phase 3 trials that I would hope one of them should be viable. I can't say which one.

Deeper Blue · 10-10-2020 05:21PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

So which vaccine will be available?

Moderna/Pfizer/AstraZeneca will be first I assume

polesheep · 10-10-2020 05:21PM

Ficheall wrote: »

I feel our opinions differ on a lot, but I am glad to hear your aunt is doing well - I remember you posting about it the first time around (I presume it was you I'm thinking of) and being delighted to hear of someone of that age pulling through unscathed

Thank you, she's a warrior and cute as a button with it.

Nothing wrong with differing opinions Ficheall. The atmosphere on here can be poisonous sometimes and I fear I occasionally get caught up in it. If I have ever offended you with a post I apologise.

Boggles · 10-10-2020 05:21PM

polesheep wrote: »

She's doing very well. Her second test result was positive due to remnants from the first.

Good to hear, but how did they determine that?

Zebra3 · 10-10-2020 05:22PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

There's enough vaccines in phase 3 trials that I would hope one of them should be viable. I can't say which one.

El Sueño wrote: »

Moderna/Pfizer/AstraZeneca will be first I assume

So neither of you have a clue then.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Blondini · 10-10-2020 05:23PM

Boggles wrote: »

Does that include your 97 to 99 year old Aunt who contracted Covid twice?

How is she doing?

Aunty Marty McFly, the time travelling covid denier!

10-10-2020 05:23PM

440Hertz wrote: »

In normal times. Trump has already said he would override the FDA and shortcut approvals. I would be very iffy about anything marketed that looks like it’s to do with the US electoral cycle.

He may try, the Americans however, following issues such as thalidomide and others, take compliance to title 21 of the code of federal regulations quite seriously, and a company who markets a product the has not demonstrated compliance to the Regs leave themselves wide open to litigation, even if trump decides to shortcut the process

440Hertz · 10-10-2020 05:23PM

manniot2 wrote: »

They will ramp the testing up in places like cork in the coming days. Get the numbers right up. Throw a few lads in hospital and off we go to level 5.

That would be on the basis of two Center right parties dominating government, who are known to be extremely pro business (one of which is often jokingly called the Publican Party) suddenly having had brain transplants and wanting to destroy the economy, go into lockdown and drive up the national debt for absolutely no reason ?!

Some of these conspiracy theories really need a bit more thought!

kingshankly · 10-10-2020 05:24PM

smelly sock wrote: »

Outside. As per rules ye genius.

Must have been in a bad way for a pint lad

polesheep · 10-10-2020 05:25PM

Boggles wrote: »

Good to hear, but how did they determine that?

The nursing home had to close as a result of her test so they queried it and, thankfully, were told that they could open as it was a false positive due to a remnant from the first infection.

Goldrickssan · 10-10-2020 05:26PM

El Sueño wrote: »

Moderna/Pfizer/AstraZeneca will be first I assume

There's already a vaccine in use- UAE are rolling it out for front liners.

Offering it to teachers over there also. It's from China though...

Deeper Blue · 10-10-2020 05:26PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

So neither of you have a clue then.

Thanks for clearing that up.

I'm sure it'll be one of those but it's a matter of which one gets approved first.

Have a look at the vaccine thread, plenty of info on there.

440Hertz · 10-10-2020 05:27PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

He may try, the Americans however, following issues such as thalidomide and others, take compliance to title 21 of the code of federal regulations quite seriously, and a company who markets a product the has not demonstrated compliance to the Regs leave themselves wide open to litigation, even if trumped decides to shortcut the process

The problem over there is they’ve an extreme and archaic concept of Sovereign Immunity. That’s something we don’t have. It leaves the federal government and state governments rather difficult and sometimes impossible to sue. That’s why for example American police brutality in the US rarely ends up in law suits. If similar happened here the state would be bankrupted by them.

To date, the US federal regulatory agencies have been sensible. I would just not trust anything to come out of the US if a vaccine mysteriously gets authorised for political gain. It’s a very strange set of circumstances and historical precedent of sensible approaches doesn’t necessarily apply anymore.

Ficheall · 10-10-2020 05:28PM

El Sueño wrote: »

I see the boards vaccine experts have spoken

Looks like we'll never have a vaccine and if we do it won't work

But you feel people should believe the boards vaccine experts who have said we'll have a working vaccine before Christmas?

manniot2 · 10-10-2020 05:28PM

440Hertz wrote: »

That would be on the basis of two Center right parties dominating government, who are known to be extremely pro business (one of which is often jokingly called the Publican Party) suddenly having had brain transplants and wanting to destroy the economy, go into lockdown and drive up the national debt for absolutely no reason ?!

Some of these conspiracy theories really need a bit more thought!

You don’t think this lingering crises benefits politicians? When is the last time you heard someone complaining about our housing crises? Have you forgotten the political gold that Harris made out of this? He was hidden away by FG in the last election, nearly lost his seat...and now, a god to some people.

Boggles · 10-10-2020 05:28PM

polesheep wrote: »

The nursing home had to close as a result of her test so they queried it and, thankfully, were told that they could open as it was a false positive due to a remnant from the first infection.

I didn't know such a test existed that could differentiate between a new infection and remnants of an old one.

Plumbthedepths · 10-10-2020 05:28PM

El Sueño wrote: »

I see the boards vaccine experts have spoken

Looks like we'll never have a vaccine and if we do it won't work

We should let the world's leading epidemiologists, immunologists and all the pharmaceutical companies know that they're wasting all their time and money!

I hope a vaccine will be found but the quickest I found referenced to date was 5 years. Of course for Covid there are a few vaccines that may be re-engineerined for purpose although I suspect they won't actually be a vaccine but more a regime to lessen the effects of Covid. Hopefully i'm wrong but if enough believe in it it's a return to normal.
Btw Pharma companies are getting vast quantities of public money to fund research.

firemansam4 · 10-10-2020 05:28PM

Zebra3 wrote:

What's annoying is people saying a vaccine is on the way or they are confident one is on the way but won't give any evidence when asked especially when they don't have much knowledge on the subject.

I think it's safe to say that almost everyone wants a secure vaccine that will life back to how it was here before March. The exceptions being those who are getting hard at the thoughts of mass graves and all the hysteria.

So, still waiting on which vaccine it will be.....

I said I was optimistic, nobody can claim for sure one way or the other.

But from reading articles about the ongoing phase 3 trials currently in progress, and now with rolling reviews already in progress I would be more hopeful than not that one would be ready hopefully early 2021.

bazermc · 10-10-2020 05:29PM

800 today at least I reckon

Goldrickssan · 10-10-2020 05:30PM

bazermc wrote: »

800 today at least I reckon

It's gonna be 1k plus

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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