Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

Zebra3 · 10-10-2020 04:56PM

landofthetree wrote: »

When the vaccine comes along its game over for lockdown. On a gradual basis of course over a few months everything will return to normal.

If people dont take the vaccine isnt their own loss. The government is no longer responsible.

Which vaccine?

Russman · 10-10-2020 04:56PM

smelly sock wrote: »

Just back from my local. 3 pints and got talking to the owner. Emotional is an understatement. They really are being targeted and vicitimised at this stage. We need to allow them to re-open and make a living.

No, they’re not.

polesheep · 10-10-2020 04:56PM

xhomelezz wrote: »

Oops my English again, missed that one, sorry. Point still stands.

Haha, I see what you did there. My response was directed at your point. I wouldn't pull you up on a typo. I haven't suggested mass civil disobedience, just my own;)

Multipass · 10-10-2020 04:56PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I can't wait to see the reactions when there's a vaccine approved next month.

Oh without doubt there’ll be a vaccine approved, there’s way too much money being made for it not to be. The question is whether it will do much good, the bar is set incredibly low.

‘Covid-19 Vaccine Protocols Reveal That Trials Are Designed To Succeed‘
https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/09/23/covid-19-vaccine-protocols-reveal-that-trials-are-designed-to-succeed/#b081fdf52479

smelly sock · 10-10-2020 04:57PM

440Hertz wrote: »

Confused. If they’re closed how did you have 3 pints ?

Outside. As per rules ye genius.

landofthetree · 10-10-2020 04:58PM

Russman wrote: »

No, they’re not.

Well they are.

It's much easier to close pubs that stop house parties.

440Hertz · 10-10-2020 04:58PM

smelly sock wrote: »

Outside. As per rules ye genius.

So they’re open then, with health and safety restrictions.

smelly sock · 10-10-2020 04:59PM

Russman wrote: »

No, they’re not.

Yes they are.

Russman · 10-10-2020 05:02PM

landofthetree wrote: »

Well they are.

It's much easier to close pubs that stop house parties.

No, they’re still not.
Anyone who believes pubs would be “controlled environments” is in cloud cuckoo land.
They’re not obeying the rules as they are, can you imagine them trying to tell Joe he has to sit back down when he has 6 pints in him and sees Mick for the first time in months ? Come on.

They’re being kept shut for public health, not because anyone has a hard on for putting anyone out of business.

smelly sock · 10-10-2020 05:02PM

440Hertz wrote: »

So they’re open then, with health and safety restrictions.

May as well be closed tbh. 15 outside in the pissinga of rain. Cop on.

polesheep · 10-10-2020 05:03PM

ElTel wrote: »

Would it be fair to say that Nphet's rough guide of 20-50 cases hospitalized and then 2-5 needing ICU for every 1000 cases captures this uncertainty?

Widdensushi asked earlier if level 3 was needed in response to a poster who stated (correctly I believe) that the growth rate was slowing in Dublin when L3.5 was introduced.

I think they could have waited in a "living with covid" framework to see it the trend continued.

Dispersion and superspreaders and asymptomatic transmission are a bitch but if contact tracing got better at these areas I'd be optimistic the hospitals would cancel less of their normal services. It's a big if though.

I don't think so, as I believe that there is number (possibly huge) of people who have had it but would never have considered a test. NPHET's figures are largely based on hypochondriacs.

440Hertz · 10-10-2020 05:04PM

smelly sock wrote: »

May as well be closed tbh. 15 outside in the pissinga of rain. Cop on.

I don’t see why we can’t adapt more outdoor space with awnings / shelter or massively improve indoor ventilation - remove windows, use high extraction fans etc and just put up with cooler indoor temperatures and wear coats.

Could be a case for turning bars inside out for a while.

Zebra3 · 10-10-2020 05:05PM

Multipass wrote: »

Oh without doubt there’ll be a vaccine approved, there’s way too much money being made for it not to be. The question is whether it will do much good, the bar is set incredibly low.

‘Covid-19 Vaccine Protocols Reveal That Trials Are Designed To Succeed‘
https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/09/23/covid-19-vaccine-protocols-reveal-that-trials-are-designed-to-succeed/#b081fdf52479

Fascinating article.

So we will have a "vaccine" a opposed to a vaccine. :rolleyes:

Gruffalux · 10-10-2020 05:05PM

polesheep wrote: »

NPHET's figures are largely based on hypochondriacs.

Oh. Interesting. A new and exciting line of argument.

Plumbthedepths · 10-10-2020 05:06PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Fascinating article.

So we will have a "vaccine" a opposed to a vaccine. :rolleyes:

My thoughts are placebo. ;-)

Youcant_seeme · 10-10-2020 05:06PM

Got stopped 3 times yesterday as I do be on the road with work. In town in Waterford today and Players from Shelbourne in town for a match this evening just strolling around in large group mingling etc. Just dont see how that is ok but not ok for me to go to even New Ross!

SPDUB · 10-10-2020 05:07PM

Ger Roe wrote: »

Reminds me of the song played by Sunshine Radio* at midnight every night.

Desiderata: Voiced by Les Crane (released 1971)

"GO PLACIDLY amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even to the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons; they are vexatious to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain or bitter, for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself"

Never truer words spoken and never more applicable than when active on this board.

*Sunshine Radio was a pirate station operating in Dublin from the early to late 80's.

There was some legal station playing that in 2009/2010/2011 period every night IIRC before closedown

Gruffalux · 10-10-2020 05:07PM

Youcant_seeme wrote: »

Got stopped 3 times yesterday as I do be on the road with work. In town in Waterford today and Players from Shelbourne in town for a match this evening just strolling around in large group mingling etc. Just dont see how that is ok but not ok for me to go to even New Ross!

Username not appropriate so.

landofthetree · 10-10-2020 05:08PM

Russman wrote: »

No, they’re still not.
Anyone who believes pubs would be “controlled environments” is in cloud cuckoo land.
They’re not obeying the rules as they are, can you imagine them trying to tell Joe he has to sit back down when he has 6 pints in him and sees Mick for the first time in months ? Come on.

They’re being kept shut for public health, not because anyone has a hard on for putting anyone out of business.

Harshest restrictions in Europe.

Pubs are an easy target because politicians are afraid to stop house parties.

firemansam4 · 10-10-2020 05:08PM

landofthetree wrote:

When the vaccine comes along its game over for lockdown. On a gradual basis of course over a few months everything will return to normal.

If people dont take the vaccine isnt their own loss. The government is no longer responsible.

I'm going to stay pretty optimistic on a vaccine in 2021 and it anoys me to hear people saying there won't be one for years ect when they really don't have much knowledge on the subject.

Having said that I think your post maybe a little too optimistic, I think there will be a gradual easing of restrictions once a vaccine comes out, but definitely can't see things returning to normal after a few months, not completely anyway.

Multipass · 10-10-2020 05:09PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Fascinating article.

So we will have a "vaccine" a opposed to a vaccine. :rolleyes:

And people will continue to test positive, so i don’t see how it will end the lockdowns. Unless the placebo effect is enough to call a halt to this nonsense.

Gruffalux · 10-10-2020 05:09PM

SPDUB wrote: »

There was some legal station playing that in 2009/2010/2011 period every night IIRC before closedown

There was one used to play it a lot longer ago than that, at least mid 1980s.

Boggles · 10-10-2020 05:09PM

polesheep wrote: »

I don't think so, as I believe that there is number (possibly huge) of people who have had it but would never have considered a test. NPHET's figures are largely based on hypochondriacs.

Does that include your 97 to 99 year old Aunt who contracted Covid twice?

How is she doing?

patnor1011 · 10-10-2020 05:10PM

The only thing NPHET needs to do in order to implement 5 or total lockdown is to get more cases simply by ramping up testing. If you are one of the fainthearted people and told you are positive that often manifests in the appearance of some symptoms... Then demand to be hospitalized.
That is actually happening - we see more cases, more hospitalizations but what is giving this away is that people pretty much stopped to die with covid.

smelly sock · 10-10-2020 05:10PM

440Hertz wrote: »

I don’t see why we can’t adapt more outdoor space with awnings / shelter or massively improve indoor ventilation - remove windows, use high extraction fans etc and just put up with cooler indoor temperatures and wear coats.

Could be a case for turning bars inside out for a while.

PP has to be applied for.

podgeandrodge · 10-10-2020 05:11PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

Non wet pubs are allowed serve alcohol to customers without food, simple.

Walk around Dublin and see the facts rather than posting an article from the IT.

hetuzozaho wrote: »

It's not.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/ad569-level-3/?referrer=http://www.gov.ie/level3/#bars-cafes-and-restaurants-including-hotel-restaurants-and-bars

I see on the Govt website that it is worded:

"Restaurants and cafes (including bars or pubs serving food or wet pubs) may remain open for take-away and delivery and outdoor dining or service to an absolute maximum of 15 people."

Could there be a loophole here - I had my Dublin staycation for last couple of nights and I saw 2 pubs with small outdoor areas serving pints and I didn't see food. (Not naming them).

Only way to prove this is to check the legislation on that substantial meal thing - did it expire?

Russman · 10-10-2020 05:11PM

landofthetree wrote: »

Harshest restrictions in Europe.

Pubs are an easy target because politicians are afraid to stop house parties.

Also one of the most dysfunctional relationships with alcohol.

Sure they can’t police the borders of 26 separate counties, how can they police a million homes ?

Or maybe people could, you know, maybe not drink for a month and see how that works for the numbers.

440Hertz · 10-10-2020 05:11PM

I’d be wary of any vaccine approved by the White House to give Trump an electoral boost. Anything approved here will have gone though the EMA (European Medicines Agency) and other regulatory processes that are a lot more robust than the present US system where the FDA is being potentially overridden for political expediency.

I’d tend to ignore US commentary on this stuff as they’ve got problems that we won’t have.

podgeandrodge · 10-10-2020 05:13PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

This is from England.

https://twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/1314491256198909954?s=20

That's interesting. I was wondering why transmission wasn't occurring in schools but is in other gatherings. Has it been accepted that schools are not any safer than other gatherings or are schools still considered safer as controlled environments?

landofthetree · 10-10-2020 05:14PM

patnor1011 wrote: »

The only thing NPHET needs to do in order to implement 5 or total lockdown is to get more cases simply by ramping up testing. If you are one of the fainthearted people and told you are positive that often manifests in the appearance of some symptoms... Then demand to be hospitalized.
That is actually happening - we see more cases, more hospitalizations but what is giving this away is that people pretty much stopped to die with covid.

The old scouse trick when going to an away game in Europe.

One scouser stayed in hospitals all over Europe for free. He would go in and complain of severe chest pains. The doctors would find nothing wrong but keep him in over night just to monitor him. Then in the morning he would just leg it.

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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