Irish Archbishops call for Catholics to be allowed to attend Mass

John Hutton wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil

That's just a link it has a large number of theories in it. Which one do you believe?

For me if God does exist he is malevolent or just made us for fun and doesn't care which means in either sense he is not worth the praise.

Also judging by his actions maybe The Lightbringer was right to question him and you are worshipping a man based on false propaganda while the real hero rots in hell

Imagine us as a society pandering to extemists who worship this mass murderer.

SusanC10 wrote: »

Haven't read the entire thread.

I am glad that Churches are closed during Level 3 and upwards. Any indoor setting is riskier than outdoor. Also there is Communion.

My Mum is elderly with underlying conditions and insists on going to Mass every day. She is also a Minister for the Eucharist.
The only way she will not go to Mass is if it is not taking place.
So I am relieved that Mass is not happening.

Am sure your Mum is still capable of making decisions for herself. It's no wonder the pensioners have aged years in this pandemic. They've become shadows of themselves not allowed anywhere & their families don't visit saying it's 'for their own good'. My mum a widow goes every day it's on local & the mid week masses she says lucky to be 12 people there but it's a reason for her to get up n out every day & am disgusted least these weekday masses can't carry on -with limited numbers if they think there will be a crowd!
I am not at all religious by the way so it's not like I want to get rushing up to mass!

Zebra3 wrote: »

Imagine us as a society pandering to extemists who worship this mass murderer.

Incredible stat really isn't it. Particularly given the information is coming from "the word of the Lord", so you would have thought it would be biased towards himself.

Tork wrote: »

Back in August I went to a family member's anniversary Mass. Nearly everyone wore a mask in the church (you'll always have the refuseniks) and they had everyone well spread out. They had an adjacent hall to take the extra people and some volunteers keeping an eye on things. There was no plate passed around (they had it at the door), communion was given into the hand at people's seats and no shaking hands. I'm not religious but I thought it was well organised and safe.

Similarly, I've been to a few masses out of respect for others. In the Church was fine. However, outside afterwards, not so much... Masks straight off, well within 2m, lots of mingling.

That's part of the logic that the GAA used to postpone matches - it wasn't the matches, it was the afters.

Macy0161 wrote: »

Similarly, I've been to a few masses out of respect for others. In the Church was fine. However, outside afterwards, not so much... Masks straight off, well within 2m, lots of mingling.

That's part of the logic that the GAA used to postpone matches - it wasn't the matches, it was the afters.

That's the problem, isn't it? I'm not a mass goer but heard other family members talk about their local churches as we stood outside afterwards with our masks still on. I get the impression that other churches are taking similar measures to keep their congregations safe. But just as with GAA matches, people just can't help themselves. It's ruining things for everyone.

Churches can’t be trusted, nor should they be listened to.

They’ll blame humanity for covid.

But they’ll praise some fictional beardy being up beyond space when a vaccine is found. People working away in labs won’t come into it.

All they are worried about with already dwindling church attendances is covid adding to it. People being used to getting mass on tv. The church want people down IN church putting their hand in their pockets. Covid is inconvenient to their goals and ambitions.

The call they want is the call that flys against ALL expert health advice. Don’t forget it. No interest in people, just their organization.

Tork wrote: »

Back in August I went to a family member's anniversary Mass. Nearly everyone wore a mask in the church (you'll always have the refuseniks) and they had everyone well spread out. They had an adjacent hall to take the extra people and some volunteers keeping an eye on things. There was no plate passed around (they had it at the door), communion was given into the hand at people's seats and no shaking hands. I'm not religious but I thought it was well organised and safe.

How is a blatant disregard for the guidelines safe?


The mass shouldn't have gone ahead until it was made sure anyone without a mask was out of the building.


Communion given into the hand is the biggest issue. You can't do that from 2m away.

The above is why mass must be stopped. They don't give 2 ****s about the guidelines or peoples health and call themselves safe.

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Does RTE show mass? I know a few elderly who have strong faith and miss it terribly but needs must

The RTE news channel every morning since early in lockdown and stil continuing

eviltwin wrote: »

I think its the fact they see themselves as special that they should be considered in a way other business or recreational services are not. I'd love a meeting with the minister to discuss the impact on our clients at work who are missing out on vital services due to lockdown but I wouldn't waste my time because I know we are a small fish in a big pond.

It is natural for any public person who has responsibility to wider groups of people to want to put forward their case, to say why an exception is needed for them. They make the case, it can be rejected. Denying that they should not, suggests animus. With great respect, they would be bigger fish, they have wider responsibilities than you, however important you think your work or clients are.

The Archbishop of Armagh and Dublin, the two Conciliar Catholic Primates of Ireland, have anyhow, been examples of pathetic weakness. This is the only place in Europe with a lockdown on worship. Nothing but the weakest of statements come from them. They are models of passivity. Somewhat related, it is claimed the Islamic Centre in Clonskeagh (which contains a mosque) are ignoring it, although car park use isn't a clincher, as there are various other activities there. Yet respect to them if they are providing the opportunity for Irish Moslems to worship. There are only a few brave priests oppose these new Penal Laws.

Maybe there could be a compromise. Since clothes are not essential, spreading COVID, or something, maybe we will worship naked like the Adamites.

This coronavirus virus, like the common cold, another coronavirus, is something 30% of people start out immune to it. The death rate from those who catch it appears be be under half of one per cent. Re-infection seems to be nugatory. I will likely get moderated for saying so, but the sheer number of deaths promised is not happening. Hospitals are empty, plenty of time for TikTok videos.

keavebm wrote: »

Catholic Church looking for money as usual. It's not bringing back the the people it's looking for money for the richest organization in the world fückin joke is the Catholic Church.

Strange, I looked at the accounts of my parish, they have a lot of costs, and declining revenues.

Richest? The Church owns a lot of old buildings, yes.

Buildings that are costly to maintain.

Buildings that are not easily sold.

So where is the wealth? I see these buildings as liabilities, not assets.

(Exceptions are Dublin properties)

Geuze wrote: »

Strange, I looked at the accounts of my parish, they have a lot of costs, and declining revenues.

Richest? The Church owns a lot of old buildings, yes.

Buildings that are costly to maintain.

Buildings that are not easily sold.

So where is the wealth? I see these buildings as liabilities, not assets.

(Exceptions are Dublin properties)

The pope's chair is worth enough to feed 80,000 starving African children for a year. The Vatican has more wealth stored than anyone can comprehend. The money gets sent to the Vatican when it can be but it never comes back.

GarIT wrote: »

The pope's chair is worth enough to feed 80,000 starving African children for a year.

Think carefully about this sentence.

Think very carefully.

Note that Ethiopia have an Air Force, with 75 aircraft.

Think about that.

If there are any "starving children" in Ethiopia, and I don't know if there are, then that is entirely the choice of the Ethiopian Government, and nothing to do with what chair the Pope sits on.

There is absolutely no link whatsoever between the furniture in the Vatican and the plight of children in Africa.

There is a link between the governance of African countries and their population's welfare.

GarIT wrote: »

When they make a profit they turn that profit into assets so they are seen to not make a profit, when they make a loss they can't sell the assets, it's not right.

Parishes don't make profits, as they are not for-profit private sector firms.

The same goes for dioceses.

The same goes for the GAA.

These are clubs, churches, etc. They do not make profits

They may make a surplus some years, yes.

But any surplus is re-invested.

We do not charge them corporation tax on profits, as they do not earn profits.