Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

tobefrank321 · 08-10-2020 10:56PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Just looking at COVID numbers in Dublin hospitals over past couple of weeks. I think I have the numbers right:

7/10: 77 in Dublin hospitals
30/9: 74 in Dublin hospitals
23/9: 55 in Dublin hospitals

Just supports the idea that Dublin case numbers have stabilised.

Level 3 is working. The idea that we'd go to level 5 without giving level 3 a chance nationally was daft and right not to be entertained as is the idea that we should crush the curve every so often which basically translates into killing our economy for decades to come.

niallo27 · 08-10-2020 10:56PM

davemckenna25 wrote: »

You're dead right. Imagine people giving out because they can't go to the pub for a pint or whinging about wearing masks, complaining because they are being asked to put the health of the nation before their own comforts...... I fully agree with you...... pussies the lot of them.

You obviously didn't watch it. The fact that you think putting half a million out of work as whinging about comforts says it all, nobody mentioned masks or pints. Why the **** would you bring that up.

08-10-2020 10:57PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ive spoken to people of that generation in Ireland.

Not one of them remember this reaction to TB, or certainly the abstained socialising, the dance halls stayed open and the young danced in them.

Cant figure it out tbh

Big difference between covid and TB is that you can have TB and not be contagious. This is known as being latent. When it becomes active, the person becomes contagious and may die.
So far to my knowledge, I haven't heard of anyone having an active covid infection but not being contagious.

There were numerous advertising campaigns about TB, and if you went for a banking or civil service job etc you had to provide evidence that you didn't have TB. Also specific hospitals just for TB existed, Peamount Hospital being one, last time I read about it was in the 2000s when a young guy from Tipperary had been there for seven years, three of them in isolation.

My dad rembers households in the street he grew up in where whole families died from TB or the kids were shipped off to relations who would take them when one of the parents became sick with it, either that or they ended up in care.

Goldengirl · 08-10-2020 10:57PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Same here. I lost three uncles and an aunt to TB and a couple of other uncles, having each spent years in a sanitorium, had serious health issues all their lives as a result.

Yes.
One survived but suffered pneumonia and developed " bronchial " troubles , or COPD as it is now .
The other died of cardiac complications about 10 years after the sanitarium/ internment .

caveat emptor · 08-10-2020 10:59PM

Quick someone tell the politicians that their popularity would increase if they actually beat back the virus instead of undermining public health experts.

https://twitter.com/BW/status/1313873174065483779?s=20

Kiwi in IE · 08-10-2020 10:59PM

davemckenna25 wrote: »

You're dead right. Imagine people giving out because they can't go to the pub for a pint or whinging about wearing masks, complaining because they are being asked to put the health of the nation before their own comforts...... I fully agree with you...... pussies the lot of them.

Really? You think that our opposition to restriction and lockdown has to do with wearing masks, not being able to pay our sky bill or go to the pub?

The health of the nation you say? What funds the health of the nation? Revenue? Where does revenue come from? You ok with lockdown until there is no revenue left to fund health and social services? So instead of living in fear of your life of just covid, you can add every other communicable disease that we currently vaccinate against, because when the health service collapses due to lack of revenue because of lockdowns, there will be no routine vaccines for those anymore either.

08-10-2020 11:00PM

Dublin was supposed to be on level 3 for 3 weeks, now we have an additional 3 with maybe level 5 after that, going into the busiest time of the calendar year..this would put Dublin in lockdown for maybe 2-3 months.

The threat of level 5 was only mentioned to make a country wide level 3 palatable for everyone, sigh of relief everyone, we could have had it worse!!

**** sake!

FintanMcluskey · 08-10-2020 11:01PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

Big difference between covid and TB is that you can have TB and not be contagious. This is known as being latent. When it becomes active, the person becomes contagious and may die.
So far to my knowledge, I haven't heard of anyone having an active covid infection but not being contagious.

There were numerous advertising campaigns about TB, and if you went for a banking or civil service job etc you had to provide evidence that you didn't have TB. Also specific hospitals just for TB existed, Peamount Hospital being one, last time I read about it was in the 2000s when a young guy from Tipperary had been there for seven years, three of them in isolation.

My dad rembers households in the street he grew up in where whole families died from TB or the kids were shipped off to relations who would take them when one of the parents became sick with it, either that or they ended up in care.

Main difference being the sick were quarantined.

With Covid there is still argument as to weather the asymptomatic can spread it, but we have assumed at all costs it can.

ixoy · 08-10-2020 11:02PM

Polar101 wrote: »

Just wondering if the case backlogs are mostly in Dublin.. would make sense since it's the county with the highest amount of cases. The growth rate in Dublin seems to be slowing, but would be nice to see a decrease soon.

Reduction in the numbers per 100k in my LEA. Open my local restaurants!

tobefrank321 · 08-10-2020 11:03PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

So black and white .
This guy is the only one to listen to , someone else is a fool or an incompetent ?

They are being cautious because of capacity in the health services , which as you can see this week has not only been pumped up to the government by the HSE chief apparently, but is not there at all in terms if staffing .
Great if level 3 works .
But it is a very penal situation if it doesn't .

Level 5 means shutting down and suspending practically everything including many otherwise critical hospital services, cancer screening, etc.

Covid is important but its not important enough to jeopordise the lives of those who suffer from other illnesses amd jeopordise the wellbeing of hundreds of thousands of workers.

As for pressures, with level 3 in Dublin, the most densely populated region in the country, hospitalisations and new cases are stablising and will soon start to drop.

Not sure what you mean by this guy is the one to listen to?

08-10-2020 11:03PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ive quoted these two posts together as they fit perfectly and prove a point.

The young signed up for ww1 as they weren't afraid.

The first few no, then when things started to get tough and the war dragged on they had to introduce conscription in the U.K.

Hence when ww2 started the U.K. had conscription from the start because most who were of age had fathers and uncles who served in ww1, and knew that their kids would be facing worse than they did and the same rush to volunteer that was present in 1914 and early 1915 wasn't going to be there.

landofthetree · 08-10-2020 11:04PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Quick someone tell the politicians that their popularity would increase if they actually beat back the virus instead of undermining public health experts.

https://twitter.com/BW/status/1313873174065483779?s=20

Her record on housing is a disaster. Its even worse than in Ireland. Yet it doesnt seem to lose her votes. Even before covid she was on track to win anyway.

FintanMcluskey · 08-10-2020 11:05PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Quick someone tell the politicians that their popularity would increase if they actually beat back the virus instead of undermining public health experts.

https://twitter.com/BW/status/1313873174065483779?s=20

Yeah, Jacinda has oversaw an economic recession, which I think is forcasted to be the worst since the depression in NZ.
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/09/17/new-zealand-enters-worst-recession-since-great-depression/amp/

This is a balancing act, she had the blinkers on, lets revisit this in 12 months

Goldengirl · 08-10-2020 11:06PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Are you telling me ....They quarantined the sick, not the healthy????????

No . What I am telling you as politely as I can is that you are talking nonsense .
If you had indeed spoken to anyone about TB of that generation you would have been told just what I have and others here have told you .
You persist in talking about nothing of any consequence every day to try to derail the thread and other posters who are actually discussing something.
There are other threads for talking absolute rubbish as I am sure you are aware .

Kiwi in IE · 08-10-2020 11:11PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Quick someone tell the politicians that their popularity would increase if they actually beat back the virus instead of undermining public health experts.

https://twitter.com/BW/status/1313873174065483779?s=20

I am a New Zealander living in Ireland (in case my user name didn’t make that obvious) for the past ten years. This covid comparison between New Zealand and Ireland is bollocks of the highest level!

Ireland has a land border with another jurisdiction and there are political considerations that result from that. New Zealand is one of the most geographically isolated countries in the world, over 2000km away from any other country, while you can see the mainland UK from some parts of the island of Ireland. The population size of the two countries may be very similar but land mass is definitely not, New Zealand’s population are spread out over 268,021 km², while the same population in the Republic of Ireland live within 70,273 km². Ireland is also part of the European Union, which I personally think is a very good thing, but creates extra considerations in dealing with a ‘pandemic‘.

New Zealand is comparable to other isolated, self contained, sparsely populated Island nations thousands of kilometres away from their nearest neighbours, not a country that contains two separate jurisdictions, is part of the European Union, is far more densely populated than NZ, and is around 20km at the closest point from its nearest neighbour which has a population of over 65 million.

Yes NZ has managed the Covid pandemic well and I’m happy my parents live there, but it also has political and geographical ‘pandemic
advantages’ that make comparisons to Ireland simply on the basis of population size, completely irrelevant.

Goldengirl · 08-10-2020 11:12PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Just looking at COVID numbers in Dublin hospitals over past couple of weeks. I think I have the numbers right:

7/10: 77 in Dublin hospitals
30/9: 74 in Dublin hospitals
23/9: 55 in Dublin hospitals

Just supports the idea that Dublin case numbers have stabilised.

Just supports your idea ..the way you have it presented there . Upside down !

davemckenna25 · 08-10-2020 11:12PM

niallo27 wrote: »

You obviously didn't watch it. The fact that you think putting half a million out of work as whinging about comforts says it all, nobody mentioned masks or pints. Why the **** would you bring that up.

If you want to read my post again it was people whinging about having to wear a mask.
Also are you telling me closing pubs will put half a million, 10% of our population, out of work. Surely that's an exaggeration.

Watch what, did you post a video? I thought you just made a statement about how you agree with some lad that our ancestors would be ashamed that we have turned into a nation of pussies and I agree with you.

Mind you I think its only a small portion that are pussies, I think the majority just get on with it and try to do what is right.

Stay safe folks, I'm heading to my pillow as I'm up for work in the morning while I still have a job!

FintanMcluskey · 08-10-2020 11:12PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

No . What I am telling you as politely as I can is that you are talking nonsense .
If you had indeed spoken to anyone about TB of that generation you would have been told just what I have and others here have told you .
You persist in talking about nothing of any consequence every day to try to derail the thread and other posters who are actually discussing something.
There are other threads for talking absolute rubbish as I am sure you are aware.

I know there is other threads. I wont be bullied into them however for not fitting in. Ive noticed that is your approach.

Were the healthy quarantined during TB?

Was socalising restricted?

Or have you deflected to argue a point I never made

caveat emptor · 08-10-2020 11:13PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Yeah, Jacinda has oversaw an economic recession, which I think is forcasted to be the worst since the depression in NZ.
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/09/17/new-zealand-enters-worst-recession-since-great-depression/amp/

This is a balancing act, she had the blinkers on, lets revisit this in 12 months

Ok sure. Lets go back though before we go forward though. 5 months and 2 weeks to be specific. I think your comments were dangerous and wholly inaccurate. I think they still are. Wonder what your real motive is?

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The lockdown wont save one single nursing home patient from the grim reaper. And even if you are in the dodgy age group you still arent at much risk of Covid bringing you.
What do you think is going to happen when we realise the death rate is completely stable overall this year? Someone will be held accountable for this mess

https://twitter.com/irishexaminer/status/1311373126144389120?s=20

lukas8888 · 08-10-2020 11:14PM

yawhat? wrote: »

He doesn’t have a point. He has an opinion or belief based on sweet fcuk all. So rather than investigate his “belief”, he makes sh1t up and states it as fact. It’s now up to someone else to demonstrate that he’s a spoofer.

Calm down,why are are you getting so riled up.With all the spoofing,misinformation,nonsense,etc posted here you will
end up on blood pressure meds if a simple post excites you
so much.

Goldengirl · 08-10-2020 11:16PM

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

Really? You think that our opposition to restriction and lockdown has to do with wearing masks, not being able to pay our sky bill or go to the pub?

The health of the nation you say? What funds the health of the nation? Revenue? Where does revenue come from? You ok with lockdown until there is no revenue left to fund health and social services? So instead of living in fear of your life of just covid, you can add every other communicable disease that we currently vaccinate against, because when the health service collapses due to lack of revenue because of lockdowns, there will be no routine vaccines for those anymore either.

Tax revenue has only been reduced by 2 % , business news today.
I know that is only so far but still as you are talking about revenue ?

davemckenna25 · 08-10-2020 11:18PM

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

Really? You think that our opposition to restriction and lockdown has to do with wearing masks, not being able to pay our sky bill or go to the pub?

The health of the nation you say? What funds the health of the nation? Revenue? Where does revenue come from? You ok with lockdown until there is no revenue left to fund health and social services? So instead of living in fear of your life of just covid, you can add every other communicable disease that we currently vaccinate against, because when the health service collapses due to lack of revenue because of lockdowns, there will be no routine vaccines for those anymore either.

I never mentioned lockdown. I mentioned people whinging about having to wear a mask or people giving out they can't go to the pub for pint!

You made a hell of a leap there.
I don't live in fear of covid19, I try to respect the damage it can cause to the health of people and conduct myself in a way that lessens the danger to myself and others.

caveat emptor · 08-10-2020 11:19PM

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

I am a New Zealander living in Ireland (in case my user name didn’t make that obvious) for the past ten years. This covid comparison between New Zealand and Ireland is bollocks of the highest level!

Ireland has a land border with another jurisdiction and there are political considerations that result from that. New Zealand is one of the most geographically isolated countries in the world, over 2000km away from any other country, while you can see the mainland UK from some parts of the island of Ireland. The population size of the two countries may be very similar but land mass is definitely not, New Zealand’s population are spread out over 268,021 km², while the same population in the Republic of Ireland live within 70,273 km². Ireland is also part of the European Union, which I personally think is a very good thing, but creates extra considerations in dealing with a ‘pandemic‘.

New Zealand is comparable to other isolated, self contained, sparsely populated Island nations thousands of kilometres away from their nearest neighbours, not a country that contains two separate jurisdictions, is part of the European Union, is far more densely populated than NZ, and is around 20km at the closest point from its nearest neighbour which has a population of over 65 million.

Yes NZ has managed the Covid pandemic well and I’m happy my parents live there, but it also has political and geographical ‘pandemic
advantages’ that make comparisons to Ireland simply on the basis of population size, completely irrelevant.

Nice to meet you! I’m actually Santa clause. If my username didn’t make that obvious.

sheepsh4gger · 08-10-2020 11:21PM

The gibs are too low. they should increase them to 400€.

They threw the economy off the cliff. I'm unemployed again because they locked everything up.

Reducing the payments is the least productive thing to do.

08-10-2020 11:21PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Main difference being the sick were quarantined.

With Covid there is still argument as to weather the asymptomatic can spread it, but we have assumed at all costs it can.

No the big difference was it wasn't as contagious when not active and people were only isolated when they had active bacteria.

I haven't read anything outside of the conspiracy theory threads and similar on here saying asymptomatic people can't spread covid, if you can provide some peer reviewed reading material on it I'll take a look.

eagle eye · 08-10-2020 11:21PM

niallo27 wrote:

You can't say toughen up in one post and then make excuses in another post. Why dont they toughen up now.

What are you talking about. Back then people were tough, I never said they weren't.

smellyoldboot · 08-10-2020 11:21PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Quick someone tell the politicians that their popularity would increase if they actually beat back the virus instead of undermining public health experts.

https://twitter.com/BW/status/1313873174065483779?s=20

Am I the only one just seems to find her thoroughly unlikeable?

hetuzozaho · 08-10-2020 11:23PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Go to bbc news, 1 mention of covid across 10 headlines. Rte has 8 out of 10 headlines about covid.

Any chance your are getting directed to BBC.com rather than bbc.co.uk

Russman · 08-10-2020 11:24PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

I’m just watching Prime Time and listening to the views of various ‘experts’ on how the virus is spread.
The only conclusion I can come to is that none of these alleged experts have the foggiest idea how it is spread.
I hope these people are not getting paid just to expose their complete ignorance about this virus.

I dunno, I thought they were all pretty consistent in their views.
Even the CDC and ECDC change their minds as more evidence or information comes to light.

Goldengirl · 08-10-2020 11:25PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Level 5 means shutting down and suspending practically everything including many otherwise critical hospital services, cancer screening, etc.

Covid is important but its not important enough to jeopordise the lives of those who suffer from other illnesses amd jeopordise the wellbeing of hundreds of thousands of workers.

As for pressures, with level 3 in Dublin, the most densely populated region in the country, hospitalisations and new cases are stablising and will soon start to drop.

Not sure what you mean by this guy is the one to listen to?

Agree with first line , as you know that is what I have been saying all along .
We start to differ then .
You can't treat other illnesses unless you control Covid .
Anyone sick with anything else gets it they are worse if not critical or dead .
Outcomes for surgery if patient contracts Covid go from 5.9 % to 20 mortality .
We can't risk that , it's just plain stupid .
I hope level 3 does the job, but it really is down to the wire here as numbers are gone above small increases in cases .

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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