Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

Messi19 · 08-10-2020 06:10PM

GeorgeBailey wrote: »

So end of October, entire country in Level 5 except Dublin which will be Level 1?

Imagine the fury

08-10-2020 06:10PM

Blondini wrote: »

To be honest mate, I wouldn't waste my breath.
Case study on confirmation bias if there ever was one and lack of critical thinking.

1 MILLION people suddenly indoors packed together and a massive surge in cases is mere coincidence.

Virus carriers are obviously always symptomatic and never contagious.

Stupidity.

You certainly got the confirmation bias part right. And you kindly spelt out the assumption that led to the bias right there in your post

Fr_Dougal · 08-10-2020 06:10PM

Messi19 wrote: »

Say for example, a kid comes home from school after contracting covid but is asymptomatic, mammy or daddy then develop symptoms and test positive. They've been out as usual to work/shops/pub etc. Kid continues to show no symptoms so mammy or daddy are left wondering where or how they've contracted the virus. So how do we class that in terms of the spread? All hypothetical of course

Easy, blame the pubs.

froog · 08-10-2020 06:11PM

GeorgeBailey wrote: »

So end of October, entire country in Level 5 except Dublin which will be Level 1?

my optimistic outlook would be nowhere will need to go above level 3, but it will push our ICU right to the normal limit for a little while before declining again. there is very little margin for error here.

Supercell · 08-10-2020 06:11PM

Lock down Cork, L5 needed. Close all the pubs there.

Akabusi · 08-10-2020 06:12PM

I was in a local rural pub on Saturday night (my first time to be in one since March). Arrived around 9pm and took seats near the bar and where we were able to order our drinks from there. The barman brought them down wearing a visor. I was enjoying my few pints, however i noticed some problems soon enough. The toilets and corridor leading to them became a meeting area (its a local pub everyone knows each other). As the night went on, i noticed people started to move around and join other tables, two young lads decided to stop at ours for a chat and before long they were sitting beside us. A good few of the crowd had been in another local pub earlier watching a match and I noticed several at risk people in the pub. It was eye opening to see all this and just thinking how it would be replicated all over the country. Just a snapshot but sadly shows the pubs cannot be opened with a living with the virus approach.

Goldengirl · 08-10-2020 06:14PM

Busi_Girl08 wrote: »

I missed the space and nearly fell off my chair

Yes , felt like Leo on Monday , hearing what NPHET said about level 5 !

utyh2ikcq9z76b · 08-10-2020 06:15PM

Akabusi wrote: »

I was in a local rural pub on Saturday night (my first time to be in one since March). Arrived around 9pm and took seats near the bar and where we were able to order our drinks from there. The barman brought them down wearing a visor. I was enjoying my few pints, however i noticed some problems soon enough. The toilets and corridor leading to them became a meeting area (its a local pub everyone knows each other). As the night went on, i noticed people started to move around and join other tables, two young lads decided to stop at ours for a chat and before long they were sitting beside us. A good few of the crowd had been in another local pub earlier watching a match and I noticed several at risk people in the pub. It was eye opening to see all this and just thinking how it would be replicated all over the country. Just a snapshot but sadly shows the pubs cannot be opened with a living with the virus approach.

Maybe shutting the pubs down so long will change Irish people's relationship with alcohol

gmisk · 08-10-2020 06:16PM

froog wrote: »

my optimistic outlook would be nowhere will need to go above level 3, but it will push our ICU right to the normal limit for a little while before declining again. there is very little margin for error here.

I think there is very optimistic.
The number of cases are rising massively.

take everything · 08-10-2020 06:17PM

When's Donnelly meant to speak

Gael23 · 08-10-2020 06:17PM

Supercell wrote: »

Lock down Cork, L5 needed. Close all the pubs there.

Lock them into their homes

niallo27 · 08-10-2020 06:17PM

Akabusi wrote: »

I was in a local rural pub on Saturday night (my first time to be in one since March). Arrived around 9pm and took seats near the bar and where we were able to order our drinks from there. The barman brought them down wearing a visor. I was enjoying my few pints, however i noticed some problems soon enough. The toilets and corridor leading to them became a meeting area (its a local pub everyone knows each other). As the night went on, i noticed people started to move around and join other tables, two young lads decided to stop at ours for a chat and before long they were sitting beside us. A good few of the crowd had been in another local pub earlier watching a match and I noticed several at risk people in the pub. It was eye opening to see all this and just thinking how it would be replicated all over the country. Just a snapshot but sadly shows the pubs cannot be opened with a living with the virus approach.

You could apply that scenario to any situation though, shopping in supermarket, pharmacy, any retail. Any work place any school. Is there any scenario where people meet you can't apply it to.

spookwoman · 08-10-2020 06:17PM

caveat emptor · 08-10-2020 06:17PM

It's hilarious how we are all saying. "Isn't it great that level 3 seems to be working"
Instead of saying why the fvck did we open the pubs.

Happy4all · 08-10-2020 06:17PM

Veda Purring Whirlwind wrote: »

Maybe shutting the pubs down so long will change Irish people's relationship with alcohol

I wouldn't be shocked if stats show we have a spike in binge home drinking that might be worse than a couple of social pints with friends

landofthetree · 08-10-2020 06:18PM

Well its a nighmare but overall are we doing that bad?

A quick glance at figs shows we are in with the likes of Germany,Italy and Norway as our second wave has smaller numbers than the first.

The likes of Denmark,UK,Spain,France,Netherlands etc are having second waves much bigger than the first.

Akabusi · 08-10-2020 06:19PM

Veda Purring Whirlwind wrote: »

Maybe shutting the pubs down so long will change Irish people's relationship with alcohol

They should have been opened in the Summer and if we got the numbers back down to them levels again i don't see a problem especially for the rural ones. As for changing the relationship with alcohol, i don't think so, i still drink but its now at home.

niallo27 · 08-10-2020 06:19PM

Veda Purring Whirlwind wrote: »

Maybe shutting the pubs down so long will change Irish people's relationship with alcohol

No **** it drink is great, its how I met my wife, most of the best stories I have over the last 20 years have been after a few drinks. Drink is ****en wonderful.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 08-10-2020 06:20PM

landofthetree wrote: »

Well its a nighmare but overall are we doing that bad?

A quick glance at figs shows we are in with the likes of Germany,Italy and Norway as our second wave has smaller numbers than the first.

The likes of Denmark,UK,Spain,France,Netherlands etc are having second waves much bigger than the first.

When the uk had their highest numbers they weren't testing. Their second wave isn't as bad as the first wave yet.

dmakc · 08-10-2020 06:20PM

Good numbers for Dublin. Much to Claire Byrne's annoyance

08-10-2020 06:21PM

Veda Purring Whirlwind wrote: »

Maybe shutting the pubs down so long will change Irish people's relationship with alcohol

It also seems to be an Irish personality thing too. I think a significant percentage of Irish people enjoy a noisy crowded atmosphere, quite apart from the alcohol, and close-in together given the opportunity. Personally I am quite the opposite, I love a chat but in a quiet atmosphere with a small number of people. However I gave not indulged in that in months really because a lot of folk I would know are vulnerable.

giveitholly · 08-10-2020 06:22PM

Akabusi wrote: »

I was in a local rural pub on Saturday night (my first time to be in one since March). Arrived around 9pm and took seats near the bar and where we were able to order our drinks from there. The barman brought them down wearing a visor. I was enjoying my few pints, however i noticed some problems soon enough. The toilets and corridor leading to them became a meeting area (its a local pub everyone knows each other). As the night went on, i noticed people started to move around and join other tables, two young lads decided to stop at ours for a chat and before long they were sitting beside us. A good few of the crowd had been in another local pub earlier watching a match and I noticed several at risk people in the pub. It was eye opening to see all this and just thinking how it would be replicated all over the country. Just a snapshot but sadly shows the pubs cannot be opened with a living with the virus approach.

You didn't like what you were seeing but you still stayed there,so you were part of the problem,Everyone else not behaving except yourself!!!!

Van.Bosch · 08-10-2020 06:23PM

dmakc wrote: »

Good numbers for Dublin. Much to Claire Byrne's annoyance

Dublin doing well, Donegal worse. Pubs open in Donegal but not in Dublin - mad.

mr_edge_to_you · 08-10-2020 06:23PM

take everything wrote: »

When's Donnelly meant to speak

Once he's finished on the trampoline.....

Seriously, his statement is expected some time after 8pm.

Goldengirl · 08-10-2020 06:24PM

Happy4all wrote: »

I wouldn't be shocked if stats show we have a spike in binge home drinking that might be worse than a couple of social pints with friends

John Ryan, Beaumont Liver Consultant , said as much yesterday .
Seeing approx 40 % increase in liver disease from excess alcohol since Coronavirus , and said other hospitals around the country noting the same trend .

08-10-2020 06:24PM

None of the schools brigade have managed to stumble on the one valid argument there is that schools are causing the current case load. It is clear that the increased rate of cases existed before the schools opened, therefore is not driving the increase. It could be argued though that in the absence of schools opening, cases may have stabilised or even fallen as people went from huge mixing in August to normal Autumn behaviour with lower levels of mixing. This is likely why schools did not result in an increase in case growth rate. The increase in contacts due to schools was offset elsewhere. The argument against that is that if schools had not gone back, the level of mixing nationwide would likely have continued at august levels, and it was the return off schools itself that caused the offset, and was overall a net neutral contributor to growth.

08-10-2020 06:25PM

niallo27 wrote: »

You could apply that scenario to any situation though, shopping in supermarket, pharmacy, any retail. Any work place any school. Is there any scenario where people meet you can't apply it to.

Lots of extra talking with the alcohol on board, to the extent of partially spitting. Certainly applies to me.

CalamariFritti · 08-10-2020 06:26PM

Stheno wrote: »

Half time in the football

Gotta have your priorities right :pac:

Eod100 · 08-10-2020 06:27PM

niallo27 wrote: »

You could apply that scenario to any situation though, shopping in supermarket, pharmacy, any retail. Any work place any school. Is there any scenario where people meet you can't apply it to.

Guess people don't usually spend up to 2 hours in the one supermarket, pharmacies or retail that much these days. Plus the inhibition of alcohol

08-10-2020 06:27PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

It's hilarious how we are all saying. "Isn't it great that level 3 seems to be working"
Instead of saying why the fvck did we open the pubs.

Given the pubs are only open nationwide little over 2 weeks, they likely had little to no impact on current numbers

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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