Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

Tenzor07 · 08-10-2020 10:59AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

It is not a kick in the teeth to you and me who have followed the guidelines. It's a tribute to those who do the right thing and follow the rules to do what we can to make sure we don't add to the problem. It's a rebuke to those who are whingeing, bitching and moaning about the government while shirking their own responsibilities.

For the majority who have done everything asked of us, jumped through all the hoops that those in power have told us to do are now being told that more restrictions are on the way, well it's pushing the limits of what your average law abiding citizen can take.
So your childish description of people "bitching and moaning" is an insult to those who want better management of the health system so these restrictions such as being the only country in Europe with pubs/restaurants can be removed.

fin12 · 08-10-2020 10:59AM

almostover wrote: »

There was a pub in Cork in which 50 customers became infected with COVID. It's a high risk environment. Indoors, lots of people, loud talking, inhibitions lowered by alcohol, sharing of toilet facilities.

The pubs arent doing us in, general non compliance to the guidelines took care of that for us. However, they're non essential businesses and are a high risk environment for COVID spread. It's sh*te but it's the way it has to be.

That was not a pub, it was a CAFE.

SAMTALK · 08-10-2020 11:00AM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

What are they?

You can have 6 people from 1 other household visit you.

you can still go out and go for walk or food/coffee in an outdoor setting

Tenzor07 · 08-10-2020 11:02AM

SAMTALK wrote: »

TBF all was said that the dramatic headlines etc of Christmas being cancelled is over the top.
Yes it might change but if you have kids Santa will still come, still have the dinner and spend the day together. Ok it might not be with all the people you usually meet with but we will all be affected in some way or other.

You understand it drives fear into families? You see them all queuing up clearing the shelves of toys. You realise that for families it's being together that makes Christmas..
And why are they making headlines like this? Because many people, yourself possibly included want these high levels of restrictions.

So in essence Christmas is cancelled.

SAMTALK · 08-10-2020 11:03AM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

For the majority who have done everything asked of us, jumped through all the hoops that those in power have told us to do are now being told that more restrictions are on the way, well it's pushing the limits of what your average law abiding citizen can take.
So your childish description of people "bitching and moaning" is an insult to those who want better management of the health system so these restrictions such as being the only country in Europe with pubs/restaurants can be removed.

I'd just prefer a better management of health system so people can be looked after and go to appointments / surgeries etc

MrStuffins · 08-10-2020 11:07AM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

What are they?

Surely you don't actually need me to explain?

weldoninhio wrote: »

Sorry if my getting out my house, to stop myself getting caught up in my own head/thoughts

Leave the house and go somewhere that isn't a pub. There's one.

It's not just drinking, its visiting friends, meeting people who have been away all year

Go meet them at their house. One at a time.

Current guidelines allow a visit from one other household. Visit them one at a time.

El_Duderino 09 · 08-10-2020 11:07AM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

No, but if you are going to adhere to proper lockdown guidelines you will be unable to mix and mingle with you and yours.

I'm expecting that to be a likely scenario by the time December come around.

My Christmas will probably be jyst myself and my Mrs. I'll be on holiday from work. I probably won't throw a hissy-fit about it though. If its necessary then it's necessary. You continue with the hissy-fit, don't let me stop you.

SAMTALK · 08-10-2020 11:07AM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

You understand it drives fear into families? You see them all queuing up clearing the shelves of toys. You realise that for families it's being together that makes Christmas..
And why are they making headlines like this? Because many people, yourself possibly included want these high levels of restrictions.

So in essence Christmas is cancelled.

When someone says anything you dont agree with it automatically means they are in favour of lockdown ??

i'm totally against a lockdown , we cannot afford this and I don't believe it will help in the long run ok.

Christmas will be different for a lot of people but it will still be Christmas

So because all the family can't be together will you tell kids christmas is cancelled. of course not. You tell them it's slightly different this year

SteM · 08-10-2020 11:09AM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

You understand it drives fear into families? You see them all queuing up clearing the shelves of toys. You realise that for families it's being together that makes Christmas..
And why are they making headlines like this? Because many people, yourself possibly included want these high levels of restrictions.

So in essence Christmas is cancelled.

Has an announcement been made on the level of restriction around Christmas time yet? To say something is canceled when it's 10 weeks away is hyperbolic.

Irish Steve · 08-10-2020 11:09AM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

For the majority who have done everything asked of us, jumped through all the hoops that those in power have told us to do are now being told that more restrictions are on the way, well it's pushing the limits of what your average law abiding citizen can take.
So your childish description of people "bitching and moaning" is an insult to those who want better management of the health system so these restrictions such as being the only country in Europe with pubs/restaurants can be removed.

Please stop the lies. Scotland is also going in the same way, and Sky News is saying that parts of England will likely be also taking similar action.

Get used to the fact that restaurants and pubs (especially Pint pubs) ARE a problem with managing Covid.

We have a choice. Keep much of the economy going with a manageable number of Covid cases, or keep things like pubs open and go over the limit of what can be managed by the health services.

Yes, the management of the health services is bad, on that we can agree, but putting that right is beyond the capability of our disfunctional political system, and will be so until there is a much larger problem to solve. The IMF coming in to restructure the economy if we don't manage Covid and the financial implications is the only way that things like health will be sorted, and it won't be pretty, or quick, or painless for a large number of people.

weldoninhio · 08-10-2020 11:12AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Sure and I'm sorry to hear about your friends. But that's nothing to do with Christmas.

And the thing you said you like to do to take your mind off the past, " its visiting friends, meeting people" are precisely the thing that help spread the virus. So while visiting friends and meeting people might be a great idea for you under normal circumstances, this year ain't normal circumstances.

And that's all apart from the fact that your circumstances aren't the norm. Do you think government should make guidance based on niche circumstances like your own?

Ah grand, i'll just tell my depression that. :rolleyes:

Tenzor07 · 08-10-2020 11:12AM

SAMTALK wrote: »

I'd just prefer a better management of health system so people can be looked after and go to appointments / surgeries etc

Well it's not being done, and we're being punished for it, no amount of posts on here will change that but if enough people get annoyed at the majority of responsible people being punished then maybe those in power will notice...

SAMTALK · 08-10-2020 11:16AM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Well it's not being done, and we're being punished for it, no amount of posts on here will change that but if enough people get annoyed at the majority of responsible people being punished then maybe those in power will notice...

So how will they know we are annoyed ?

Will we protest, will we gather in large groups and insist on pubs letting us in to drink ?

MrStuffins · 08-10-2020 11:17AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Ah grand, i'll just tell my depression that. :rolleyes:

To be fair, he IS right!

If you're saying you need to get out of the house and you need to meet friends, that is not the same as the pubs opening. There are different reasons to get out of the house and different avenues in which to meet friends.

You just WANT to meet them in the pub.

Tenzor07 · 08-10-2020 11:17AM

Irish Steve wrote: »

Please stop the lies. Scotland is also going in the same way, and Sky News is saying that parts of England will likely be also taking similar action.
Get used to the fact that restaurants and pubs (especially Pint pubs) ARE a problem with managing Covid.
We have a choice. Keep much of the economy going with a manageable number of Covid cases, or keep things like pubs open and go over the limit of what can be managed by the health services.

What lies? That pubs have been closed since March with only a brief reprieve for those operating as restaurants?

You do realise there's a political game going on in the UK? That it's not all about public health? Or did you only read the recent headlines?

And your final point... The pubs aren't responsible for the increase in Covid! All over Europe they never closed. The majority of the cases are traced back to the home not the pub.

MrStuffins · 08-10-2020 11:18AM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Well it's not being done, and we're being punished for it, no amount of posts on here will change that but if enough people get annoyed at the majority of responsible people being punished then maybe those in power will notice...

Maybe you can spend Christmas day writing them letters while the rest of us get on with it and enjoy the festive period!

Allinall · 08-10-2020 11:23AM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

What lies? That pubs have been closed since March with only a brief reprieve for those operating as restaurants?

You do realise there's a political game going on in the UK? That it's not all about public health? Or did you only read the recent headlines?

And your final point... The pubs aren't responsible for the increase in Covid! All over Europe they never closed. The majority of the cases are traced back to the home not the pub.

Where do most people go after they leave the pub?

How do you think the virus gets into the home in the first place?

Tenzor07 · 08-10-2020 11:34AM

Allinall wrote: »

Where do most people go after they leave the pub?
How do you think the virus gets into the home in the first place?

Read my post again, the spread of the virus is highest in private homes.

El_Duderino 09 · 08-10-2020 11:35AM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

For the majority who have done everything asked of us, jumped through all the hoops that those in power have told us to do are now being told that more restrictions are on the way, well it's pushing the limits of what your average law abiding citizen can take.
So your childish description of people "bitching and moaning" is an insult to those who want better management of the health system so these restrictions such as being the only country in Europe with pubs/restaurants can be removed.

Well, the virus spread rates are taken as an average across the whole population. It's not broken down by those who abide by the guidance and those who don't. So I give credit to those who abode by the rules and I don't apologies for pointing out that load of peope whinge, bitch and moan about government guidance while flouting the laws.

Just keep an eye on this thread and watch the posters who are always opposed to de gubbermint guidance. There's loads of crossover with those people and the ones who support a twat who boasts about a lock-in at their local and flouting guidance.

Allinall · 08-10-2020 11:37AM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Read my post again, the spread of the virus is highest in private homes.

I'll ask again.

How does the virus get into the home in the first place?

Tenzor07 · 08-10-2020 11:38AM

Allinall wrote: »

I'll ask again.

How does the virus get into the home in the first place?

I'll tell you again, go look it up yourself. Pubs aren't the main driver.

MrStuffins · 08-10-2020 11:39AM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Read my post again, the spread of the virus is highest in private homes.

How does it get into the houses? Is it just growing in random three-bed semis around the country?

Irish Steve · 08-10-2020 11:39AM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

What lies? That pubs have been closed since March with only a brief reprieve for those operating as restaurants?

You do realise there's a political game going on in the UK? That it's not all about public health? Or did you only read the recent headlines?

And your final point... The pubs aren't responsible for the increase in Covid! All over Europe they never closed. The majority of the cases are traced back to the home not the pub.

No, I read the headlines a lot more than I read the garbage that's being posted by some people here.

Won't be long before a lot more pubs are closed than are closed now, due to the numbers being infected in those pubs.

growleaves · 08-10-2020 11:41AM

Matthew Fat Virtue wrote: »

Driving a car, using a stairs etc is a necessity for most people. Drinking in a pub or eating in a restaurant is very much not a necessity for anyone.

Seeing other human beings is far more of a necessity than driving a car.

The social basis for human society predates the invention of the automobile by milennia.

SAMTALK · 08-10-2020 11:43AM

growleaves wrote: »

Seeing other human beings is far more of a necessity than driving a car.

The social basis for human society predates the invention of the automobile by milennia.

Seeing other human beings is possible without pubs / restaurants though.

El_Duderino 09 · 08-10-2020 11:45AM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

I'll tell you again, go look it up yourself. Pubs aren't the main driver.

I wouldn't expect pubs to be the main driver. But that's not the only important factor. Other factors to take into consideration (though probably not the only factors to consider) are economic activity and how vital the service is. Pubs are nice to have but they aren't vital to anything, they don't produce anything that the nation needs like food, transport, legal services or government administration. They produce some economic activity but the combination of those three factors means they're not necessary and they should be an early one to close when numbers go higher and late to open when numbers go lower.

the fact that we all miss the pub is neither here nor there in my calculation because it's not an important factor. But i can see from reading other people's posts that they rate their own pleasure much more highly

El_Duderino 09 · 08-10-2020 11:47AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Ah grand, i'll just tell my depression that. :rolleyes:

Tell it what you like as long as it help. Talk to a professional if you are depressed but I can guarantee none of them will recommend booze. All the socialising you want to do can be done without a pub.

Do you think government should make guidance based on niche circumstances like your own?

SAMTALK · 08-10-2020 11:51AM

When hairdressers / barbers / beauticians closed down there wasnt a word about needing them open to keep depression at bay or to interact with people

All we got were funny pictures of DIY jobs at home

Allinall · 08-10-2020 11:54AM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

I'll tell you again, go look it up yourself. Pubs aren't the main driver.

So you've no idea how it gets into the home in the first place.

It's brought in by somebody having been infected by another person somewhere else outside the home.

The obvious thing to do is try to restrict the opportunities for someone to pick up the virus outside the home.

Close non essential meeting places (pubs ) sounds like a good start.

growleaves · 08-10-2020 11:54AM

SAMTALK wrote: »

Seeing other human beings is possible without pubs / restaurants though.

Yes but we're not meant to according to guidelines. They are closed in order that people will reduce social contacts.

Reducing social contacts for 6-16 months or longer?! Madness.

There have been reports in England of elderly people dying in conditions of solitary confinement that would be illegal among the prison population.

There is no dilemma around these restrictions, they are insupportable ethically.

There seems to be mass confusion around what human beings are and what is required for human society to continue to exist.

Years of isolation are not survivable for a normal person, and people who are isolating *with their families* should not ask lone people to destroy themselves.

Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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