Ireland Team Talk XI: Team of nervoUS MOD warning Post 1

Clegg · 08-10-2020 12:00PM

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

Tom Farrell?

Sorry, you're right.

clsmooth · 08-10-2020 12:04PM

Cooney is unlucky. It’s one thing to have POM in the squad but I’ll be disappointed if he’s starting either of the games. Healy hasn’t been particularly good over the last year, but there aren’t a huge amount of players putting their hand up for the LH spot. Backrow on the other hand is somewhere where we have a lot of options which can give us a bit of go forward ball. A pack with Kelleher, Ryan, Baird, Dorris and Stander should be able to get us moving up the pitch.

Hoping we see a bit of Marmion and JGP at 9. Murray has been no better than average for two years at this stage and offers little in an attacking sense (like POM) in current evidence. We need a bit more tempo from our SH which I think the other two give us which should give the backs a more opportunities of line breaks assuming we can get over the gain line up front. Who knows, Stockdale might be put into the situations where he’s proven to be dangerous in the past and be able to score a few tries.

aloooof · 08-10-2020 12:05PM

siltirocker wrote: »

Absolutely nowhere near the same level. Payne and Roux have even commented on this.

When Ah You was capped he was in good form and most Irish fans were calling for him to be called up. A look back on this forum even supports that.

I don't want to drag this out, but I'd be interested to see what Payne and Roux said exactly if you have a link?

siltirocker · 08-10-2020 12:05PM

OneLungDavy wrote: »

It's because this is an ideology to you, you are believing this based on no evidence.

An ideology? Relax fella, we're not talking about US politics or something.

You say no evidence. A simple google shows you that Ah You got it worse than Robbie Diack. Ignore it if you want. Or tell yourself that Quinn Roux or Gibson Park or wherever got it as bad as Aki.

OneLungDavy wrote: »

Payne, Stander, Roux etc, all got their criticism too. Personally, I thought Kleyn got it worse than anyone, not that it matters much who had it worse.

He did, but the argument there was "why are we putting in a debutant, that hasn't even really shone, ahead of Devin Toner."

OneLungDavy wrote: »

Anyways, I'm sick of this residency conversation.

Fooled me by consistently replying, or ignoring my offer to continue this privately.

hahashake · 08-10-2020 12:08PM

Niallof9 wrote: »

A lineup say of Lowe, Aki, JGP, Stander, Kleyn would be problematic. Anyway the age of project players is over and only three are top tier quality;Aki, Stander and Lowe. And only Lowe offers something we don't really have.

I'd say there is an unoffical rule limiting it in a matchday squad.

I'd hazard a guess that the rule only applies if the team is losing.

awec · 08-10-2020 12:09PM

That's enough on the race topic. Move on.

salmocab · 08-10-2020 12:09PM

Is JGP white? How is the suggestion that it’s racism for ah-you and Aki squared with JGP?
Apologies Awec

siltirocker · 08-10-2020 12:14PM

aloooof wrote: »

I don't want to drag this out, but I'd be interested to see what Payne and Roux said exactly if you have a link?

I can't recall Roux's, just remember him on the topic of it. It could have been on the42.ie. Payne's was a Radio New Zealand interview from around when Aki was capped so 2017 perhaps.

I remember O'Mahoney even came out and said he couldn't figure why Aki was getting so personally focused on. To the point of distraction for them. (Irish Times, Nov '17)

Niallof9 · 08-10-2020 12:14PM

hahashake wrote: »

I'd hazard a guess that the rule only applies if the team is losing.

no i'd say there would be issues if it suddenly became 6 or 7 of the squad win or lose. we have acknowledged unofficial rules for foreign based players who knows what else. Anyway none of them are good enough to be consistent starters bar the holy trinity of Aki, Stander and Lowe.

Anyway its exciting seeing these guys play for their adopted country for the most part. JGP has touches of real quality.

Will Lowe be straight in for November?

AbusesToilets · 08-10-2020 12:37PM

Very harsh on Dillane, thought he'd been in good form lately. Can't see what Beirne has done to warrant a spot at lock, he's been anonymous anytime he's played in green.

ionadnapóca · 08-10-2020 12:52PM

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Very harsh on Dillane, thought he'd been in good form lately. Can't see what Beirne has done to warrant a spot at lock, he's been anonymous anytime he's played in green.

6-2 split
I think we are going to see Roux, Beirne & PO'M on the bench for Ita & Fra

Its the only reason why i cant see room for Toner in the squad.

thebaz · 08-10-2020 01:01PM

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Very harsh on Dillane, thought he'd been in good form lately. Can't see what Beirne has done to warrant a spot at lock, he's been anonymous anytime he's played in green.

Dillane is another player who seams get very harsh desicions , always done well in a green jersey.

Guinness RFC · 08-10-2020 01:16PM

ionadnapokot wrote: »

6-2 split
I think we are going to see Roux, Beirne & PO'M on the bench for Ita & Fra

Its the only reason why i cant see room for Toner in the squad.

I’d prefer to see Baird ahead of Beirne and I think we will see that. Beirne only in there as cover.

ionadnapóca · 08-10-2020 01:32PM

Guinness RFC wrote: »

I’d prefer to see Baird ahead of Beirne and I think we will see that. Beirne only in there as cover.

You and me both!
But we wont.

Roux will be lock on the bench.

sydthebeat · 08-10-2020 01:35PM

while Healy has taken some stick here, and hes definitely in his twilight years... i think his selection needs to be look at from the point of view as to the contenders for his position.

Killers is injured and would be in the squad if he wasnt. Cronin and Loughman arent at his level, and cronin has hit his ceiling in my opinion. Loughman has moved across and is still learning his trade imo so may have a higher ceiling.

J Mc Grath is still trying to regain his lions form, and is steady without setting the world light up north. I dont know much about eric o sullivan other than hes wet behind the ears. Warwick and mccall arent in the conversation.

For all the Buckley love in the connacht forum hes not a test level player and still has scrummaging issues. Duggan is certainly one for the future.

So healys biggest competition for his position apart from kilcoyne is his team mate Ed Byrne, who is included in the squad and whom i expect will make hi debut in the next 2 games.

it will be interesting to see what happens in the autumn nations squad call out.... if kilcoyne is back

Guinness RFC · 08-10-2020 01:45PM

ionadnapokot wrote: »

You and me both!
But we wont.

Roux will be lock on the bench.

So why did you put Beirne on your bench? As 6 cover? O Mahoney will be in ahead of him!

awec · 08-10-2020 01:47PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

while Healy has taken some stick here, and hes definitely in his twilight years... i think his selection needs to be look at from the point of view as to the contenders for his position.

Killers is injured and would be in the squad if he wasnt. Cronin and Loughman arent at his level, and cronin has hit his ceiling in my opinion. Loughman has moved across and is still learning his trade imo so may have a higher ceiling.

J Mc Grath is still trying to regain his lions form, and is steady without setting the world light up north. I dont know much about eric o sullivan other than hes wet behind the ears. Warwick and mccall arent in the conversation.

For all the Buckley love in the connacht forum hes not a test level player and still has scrummaging issues. Duggan is certainly one for the future.

So healys biggest competition for his position apart from kilcoyne is his team mate Ed Byrne, who is included in the squad and whom i expect will make hi debut in the next 2 games.

it will be interesting to see what happens in the autumn nations squad call out.... if kilcoyne is back

If O'Sullivan is "wet behind the ears" then so is Ed Byrne. Not a lot of difference in their playing experience at a senior level.

ionadnapóca · 08-10-2020 01:47PM

Healy 100% deserves criticism
He reminds me of Bernard Hopkins!
A real warrior continuing the good fight but a shadow of his greatness at middleweight.

Problem is there is nobody good enough to replace him.

ionadnapóca · 08-10-2020 01:50PM

Guinness RFC wrote: »

So why did you put Beirne on your bench? As 6 cover? O Mahoney will be in ahead of him!

6-2 split!
e.g.
lock - Roux
backrow - PO'M
and another lock or backrow - Beirne

AbusesToilets · 08-10-2020 01:54PM

ionadnapokot wrote: »

6-2 split!
e.g.
lock - Roux
backrow - PO'M
and another lock or backrow - Beirne

Jesus wept, all star bench of anonymity

kingofthekong · 08-10-2020 01:54PM

Guinness RFC wrote: »

Just to add I’d have Butler in ahead of Conan who I don’t think has been playing well. Also would have liked to see Lyttle in ahead of Stockdale whose form is off as well.

Different players, Butler was likely competing with VDF as a 7 type role and not with Conan as a ball carrying no.8

Paul Smeenus · 08-10-2020 02:03PM

awec wrote: »

If O'Sullivan is "wet behind the ears" then so is Ed Byrne. Not a lot of difference in their playing experience at a senior level.

Agreed, and I think EOS is better, personally.

Squidgy Black · 08-10-2020 02:04PM

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

Agreed, and I think EOS is better, personally.

Byrne's actually improved tenfold this season, he's stepped up massively. Scrummaging in particular has been a big change.

Paul Smeenus · 08-10-2020 02:06PM

This season? One game?

Squidgy Black · 08-10-2020 02:06PM

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

This season? One game?

Yes of course. Just the one game.

Paul Smeenus · 08-10-2020 02:09PM

In fairness, you can never tell with Leinsterfans.

ionadnapóca · 08-10-2020 02:11PM

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Jesus wept, all star bench of anonymity

Thats right!
But unfortunately there will be no Lazarus like recovery for this team.
No Furlong. Ancient relics of Healy, Murray and Sexton guiding the way

There will be some craic on here when the team is announced!
Murray, PO'M, Roux and maybe Beirne if they do go 6-2.

Guinness RFC · 08-10-2020 02:29PM

ionadnapokot wrote: »

6-2 split!
e.g.
lock - Roux
backrow - PO'M
and another lock or backrow - Beirne

Yes and in that instance I would have Baird ahead of Beirne. You have selected Beirne on your bench and turned around and said you would have Baird ahead of him. Weird.

Guinness RFC · 08-10-2020 02:31PM

kingofthekong wrote: »

Different players, Butler was likely competing with VDF as a 7 type role and not with Conan as a ball carrying no.8

You’re assuming he’s not competing with Connors at 7 also? I think Butler offers more than Connors.

ionadnapóca · 08-10-2020 02:33PM

last go
i would want Baird on the bench. ok?
but it will not happen.
Thanks

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