Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

Gadgetman496 · 08-10-2020 01:48AM

So, the bauld Donnelly was the leak...

quokula · 08-10-2020 01:53AM

CBear1993 wrote: »

It’s like everything in this country, the government don’t do anything and take it out on us, the people. The amount of politicians who have and are flouting the very rules they set has been endless. Do you think Mícheál Martin sat at home at the weekend and didn’t attend his very own Nemo Rangers match? Ha...

The “only in Ireland” nonsense is such a daft argument. This is happening all over the world. Left wing, right wing, liberal and conservative governments are all taking similar measures. The only outliers are science denying populists. And Sweden, who killed an order of magnitude more of their own citizens than their neighbouring countries and ultimately didn’t do any better economically either.

There are regional lockdowns all over Europe. Approx 20 million people are in lockdown in the UK. Same goes for Paris and Madrid. More is coming by the day as infections and deaths are rising all over the continent.

We can’t control nature, the virus is what it is and all we can do is to try and minimise the chain of infections until we have a better solution through vaccines, treatment or otherwise. The whole world is doing the same.

TonyMaloney · 08-10-2020 01:53AM

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

So, the bauld Donnelly was the leak...

It's the stuff we think we know that stops us all from learning.

speckle · 08-10-2020 01:55AM

bb1234567 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1007/1170060-daily-virus-figures/

Interestingly only 9.5% of cases reported in the last two weeks have been over 65. Despite over 65 population making up 14% of the population. This cocooning is probably resulting in a much much lower death rate that would be occurring usually right now with this level of cases if spread evenly across age groups. 50% less over 65's getting the virus means death rates should really be cut in half, even if cases keep growing if cocooning is maintained we will very likely not see anymore than half of the number of deaths we saw in the first wave

Down the country, alot of 65+ are not cocooning, as well as high risk under 65s. Reasons being a choice to go out, a lot of supports from first cocooning phase gone, as people back at work, like gaa members who used to collect food or grocerya and deliver. A lack of safe transport so if they do not drive they are getting the regular bus mixing with tourists.. There was a call out by a charity in the southwest for 40 drivers to get people safely to oncology and other outpatient appointments. Note also prices have gone up and those for example high risk people on disabilty have 2/3 or less the Pup payment to live on. Charitys are stretched to the limit or stopping services. And many fear that post covid that the disabled will be hit the worst yet again in a recession.
The biggest most meanest thing during covid part one was the government not scraping the 2 euro charge for disabled people under 65.

That being said many where very thankful for the ordinary Irish people who helped them out last spring.

bb1234567 · 08-10-2020 01:58AM

CBear1993 wrote: »

Again, if that’s all you can take from what I’ve said then I give up.

There isn’t much empathy shown on here. It’s either stats and figures or graphs, or else forget about it. No logic is taken into consideration across the board.

It's just what jumped out at me as a completely erroneous statement..you can't just say things like 'we only have more cases now because of increased testing' and exoect it to not be challenged when it's just completely false . If false claims is all you being to the debate then maybe it is best to give up

auspicious · 08-10-2020 02:00AM

I think it's fair to not focus discussions on deaths alone but to seriously take post covid syndrome into account. All anecdotes add up.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/07/brain-fog-heart-damage-covid-19-s-lingering-problems-alarm-scientists

Among 292 respondents, 94% (274) reported experiencing one or more symptoms at the time of testing; 35% of these symptomatic respondents reported not having returned to their usual state of health by the date of the interview (median = 16 days from testing date), including 26% among those aged 18–34 years, 32% among those aged 35–49 years, and 47% among those aged ≥50 years. Among respondents reporting cough, fatigue, or shortness of breath at the time of testing, 43%, 35%, and 29%, respectively, continued to experience these symptoms at the time of the interview. These findings indicate that COVID-19 can result in prolonged illness even among persons with milder outpatient illness, including young adults.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6930e1.htm

Also with filled ICU occupancy doctors will be forced to decide/swap between covid patients for victims of severe trauma.
We 'let it rip' the most vulnerable won't see the inside of an ICU ward.

Jeff2 · 08-10-2020 02:08AM

There is a debate in USA and it all started off with someone speaking that should not have been aired.

Tis gas altogether.

speckle · 08-10-2020 02:12AM

Jeff2 wrote: »

There is a debate in USA and it all started off with someone speaking that should not have been aired.

Tis gas altogether.

link for some light relief?:D

CBear1993 · 08-10-2020 02:12AM

bb1234567 wrote: »

It's just what jumped out at me as a completely erroneous statement..you can't just say things like 'we only have more cases now because of increased testing' and exoect it to not be challenged when it's just completely false . If false claims is all you being to the debate then maybe it is best to give up

You sit and look at all the figures you want and peak out through the curtain. I prefer to live in the real world where a lot of things are going on as normal.

A lot of us choose not to watch the news these days as it injects nothing but fear.

You can be a busy fool running about getting caught up in all this or take some time out to ask yourself what good locking yourself Away from real life will do.

I’ll pick the second every time. Although the majority of boardsies would be in the first selection like yourself. The “I told you so” brigade, never wrong, forever know it alls.

Goldengirl · 08-10-2020 02:20AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Using the most recent stats I could find, there's been 48328 hospital days with covid patients (215 days in total with an average of 224.74 patients per day). There was a total of 3701 patients in that timeframe, gives me an average stay of 13 days.
My math or understand could be wrong, but I'm open for correction.

She's talking about stays in ICU .

fritzelly · 08-10-2020 02:27AM

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

So, the bauld Donnelly was the leak...

Where's it say that?

Polar101 · 08-10-2020 02:28AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

She's talking about stays in ICU .

I thought she said the average stay in hospital for non-Covid patients is 5.9 days and 20 days for Covid patients.

Jeff2 · 08-10-2020 02:34AM

speckle wrote: »

link for some light relief?:D

If it's not online today I'll upload it.

eagle eye · 08-10-2020 02:37AM

CBear1993 wrote:

Why are they looking to send us into level 5 then? Big tony the hero coming back out of nowhere to bang his fist on the table.

To prevent a situation where many people know somebody that dies from covid-19.

Wolf359f · 08-10-2020 02:45AM

Polar101 wrote: »

I thought she said the average stay in hospital for non-Covid patients is 5.9 days and 20 days for Covid patients.

That's what I heard also. She actually repeated it a few times.

Goldengirl · 08-10-2020 02:55AM

CBear1993 wrote: »

Walk out on to the street and ask the first 10 people you see who live here in Ireland who they know , that has died from COVID-19. They’ll know people who have had it surely, but I guarantee you you’ll get a very small amount knowing anyone who has died, maybe even 0/10. It’s the same across the country.

I think as you go up past 45 or 50 years of age you will find many people who physically knew people who have died .
Those RIP are not mythical you know , they did exist.

CBear1993 · 08-10-2020 03:00AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

I think as you go up past 45 or 50 years of age you will find many people who physically knew people who have died .
Those RIP are not mythical you know , they did exist.

Nope.

my partner And I and our wider social circles are about 200km apart on this island on both sides of the border.

On trips to both of our Home Counties since March we’ve asked the same questions to friends, relatives, ranging from 20-85. Even her granny who’s 97 knows of no one.

This isn’t just us as the view is very much shared by the general public. Have a look at Twitter.

Boards is full of scaremongers and exaggerators

The Oort Cloud · 08-10-2020 03:08AM

Large increse in Sars covid-19 contaminant and a very low death rate at this time. Underlying conditions of These deaths are not specified/detailed? How many Irish citizens died of the influenza flu in the last 2 months also not specified. Has any-one here have statistics by day/date of deaths from Influenza virus for the last 2 months?

Or is it just imagination.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY7S6EgSlCI

Goldengirl · 08-10-2020 03:10AM

Polar101 wrote: »

I thought she said the average stay in hospital for non-Covid patients is 5.9 days and 20 days for Covid patients.

In ICU . She was talking about ICU during that whole reply saying it was better not to end up in ICU.
Those are the average los in ICU for Covid and non Covid patients.

Goldengirl · 08-10-2020 03:13AM

CBear1993 wrote: »

Nope.

my partner And I and our wider social circles are about 200km apart on this island on both sides of the border.

On trips to both of our Home Counties since March we’ve asked the same questions to friends, relatives, ranging from 20-85. Even her granny who’s 97 knows of no one.

This isn’t just us as the view is very much shared by the general public. Have a look at Twitter.

Boards is full of scaremongers and exaggerators

Anecdote and hyperbole .
So now I tell you I personally know 4 and my friend knows 3 , everyone else is lying ??

Goldengirl · 08-10-2020 03:16AM

The Oort Cloud wrote: »

Large increse in Sars covid-19 contaminant and a very low death rate at this time. Underlying conditions of These deaths are not specified/detailed? How many Irish citizens died of the influenza flu in the last 2 months also not specified. Has any-one here have statistics by day/date of deaths from Influenza virus for the last 2 months?

Or is it just imagination.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY7S6EgSlCI

No , because flu season does not start here till October and any statistics from this season will not be available till next spring.

spookwoman · 08-10-2020 03:18AM

With the recent numbers why does this not surprise me

https://twitter.com/WaterfordAmb/status/1313923917648625666?s=20

auspicious · 08-10-2020 03:20AM

auspicious wrote: »

I think it's fair to not focus discussions on deaths alone but to seriously take post covid syndrome into account. All anecdotes add up.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/07/brain-fog-heart-damage-covid-19-s-lingering-problems-alarm-scientists

Among 292 respondents, 94% (274) reported experiencing one or more symptoms at the time of testing; 35% of these symptomatic respondents reported not having returned to their usual state of health by the date of the interview (median = 16 days from testing date), including 26% among those aged 18–34 years, 32% among those aged 35–49 years, and 47% among those aged ≥50 years. Among respondents reporting cough, fatigue, or shortness of breath at the time of testing, 43%, 35%, and 29%, respectively, continued to experience these symptoms at the time of the interview. These findings indicate that COVID-19 can result in prolonged illness even among persons with milder outpatient illness, including young adults.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6930e1.htm

Also with filled ICU occupancy doctors will be forced to decide/swap between covid patients for victims of severe trauma.
We 'let it rip' the most vulnerable won't see the inside of an ICU ward.

Bump.

Post covid syndrome should not be passed over. It affects all age groups regardless of severity. Yes it remains undermined how long one is affected because it is a new disease but it is a fact; percentages are not 1 or 2 but in the mid to high twenties and greater.
It's spreading because people think they'll not catch it or easily get over it. That's not the case.
I'd like to win the Lottery.
But not the covid lottery.

CBear1993 · 08-10-2020 03:20AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Anecdote and hyperbole .
So now I tell you I personally know 4 and my friend knows 3 , everyone else is lying ??

I’ll give you two antonyms back Carole vorderman; understatement and underestimated.

That’s 2 people vs myself and my partner - 2 people.

Hardly rip roaring evidence in your favor is it?

Goldengirl · 08-10-2020 03:21AM

spookwoman wrote: »

With the recent numbers why does this not surprise me

https://twitter.com/WaterfordAmb/status/1313923917648625666?s=20

I hope these people are charged for the service in its entirety, including the ambulance and staff and PPE .
If not maybe it's time to start fining these individuals.

CBear1993 · 08-10-2020 03:22AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

I hope these people are charged for the service in its entirety, including the ambulance and staff and PPE .
If not maybe it's time to start fining these individuals.

Agreed on that one. Imagine being notified you are going to get tested in the comfort of your own home, then not being around. Shocking

Goldengirl · 08-10-2020 03:25AM

CBear1993 wrote: »

I’ll give you two antonyms back Carole vorderman; understatement and underestimated.

That’s 2 people vs myself and my partner - 2 people.

Hardly rip roaring evidence in your favor is it?

It was an example , not literal . And I was civil to you.
So don't name call unless you want to start a slanging match .
I don't, so won't be replying again to your posts .

The Oort Cloud · 08-10-2020 03:27AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

No , because flu season does not start here till October and any statistics from this season will not be available till next spring.

So-called flu season does not have a particualr date to implement iteslf on to the population, it can come early or at any time in the nature of climates.

Goldengirl · 08-10-2020 03:29AM

The Oort Cloud wrote: »

So-called flu season does not have a particualr date to implement iteslf on to the population, it can come early or at any time in the nature of climates.

That's been the case for years late September/ October to February/ March . I just answered the question.

fritzelly · 08-10-2020 03:29AM

The Oort Cloud wrote: »

Large increse in Sars covid-19 contaminant and a very low death rate at this time. Underlying conditions of These deaths are not specified/detailed? How many Irish citizens died of the influenza flu in the last 2 months also not specified. Has any-one here have statistics by day/date of deaths from Influenza virus for the last 2 months?

Or is it just imagination.

Flu season has barely started - go away with your conspiracy BS

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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