Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

Polar101 wrote: »

I'm starting to think some people want a "strong leader", and think Leo is it. He did well in March, but there's a reason he was voted out of the office in the elections before that.

I found his "none of those nphetians would go on PUP" completely disingenuous, a poor attempt at pretending to be a man of the people.

There was no need for his show, all he did was guarantee that the next time NPHET makes a recommendation, the public do not trust it.

I do agree with Leo and friends that level 5 didn't make sense, though.

Yeah he's been like that since he got his new ministry which makes sense I guess. He has to be seen to be fighting for them now.

AdamD wrote: »

Tanaiste says level 5 is not appropriate now but may be in the future. There is nothing wrong with that statement. Suppose some want to be outraged by everything.

+1

Also people need to take personal responsibility rather than waiting for the levels in place to dictate how they behave.

eagle eye wrote: »

Can you explain to me why he expected NPHET to have recommendations outside of the health status and way to improve the national health? That's what he said he asked them on national TV.
Can you explain why level 5 is not appropriate now? We have a lockdown which is affecting businesses and jobs. Are we not better to go straight to the harsher more restrictive measures and be back in a less restrictive position quicker? Would it not make more sense from an economic and employment perspective to limit the amount of time in lockdown?

Numerous reasons why it couldn't be put in place now regardless of whether it should be done or not.

1. PUP has been rolled back in recent weeks, that would need to be undone with the additional cost of 1m people seeking it taken into budgetary account.

2. Most mortgage holders and business owners were able to get a 6 month loan break in the first wave of they so wished. This was a free pass provided by the EU and did not affect your credit score. The EU has made it abundantly clear that this is now over and anyone that needs help will be going down normal forbearance routes, this would have monumental impacts on business and would lead to businesses going bust. Before anyone goes down the bank bashing route their hands are completely tied on this.

3. How long would stage 5 last and what would the course of action be next? What level would cases need to drop to say over 3 weeks for us to fall back to stage 4? Stage 4 as 5 are very similar by the way. What would we do differently to avoid the troughs and peaks of the virus case numbers? or would stage 3/4/5 be regular occurances given our shared border? What would that do to the economy and to non Covid healthcare?

I think all of the above are the reasons we could not simply decide to go stage 5 at the drop of a hat with no prior notice

Funsterdelux wrote: »

A traffic management crew with a trailer load of cones could accomplish what the guards are doing and probably at a fraction of the cost.

They'd have the same "powers" anyway.

With all the talk of who people dislike most whether it's Leo or Tony, I have to say whoever it was that leaked the level 5 news on Sunday night needs to be taken out and given the beating of their life.

I'm sure I'm not the only small business owner who was in a very dark place on Sunday night thinking everything was going to fall apart instantly. If level 5 was to be introduced like that with no warning I would have lost all my remaining 2020 wedding bookings. Instead now with remaining in level 3 I have 2 weddings this weekend. A couple more and I'll be able to hang on until April and see where I go from there.

30 cases in a Nursing Home in Donegal

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I did some very rough projections based on what we're seeing in Dublin. This is probably pretty pessimistic, but I think it's a half-decent stab.

Nationally, we can expect case numbers to keep rising until the week of 21st - 28th of October. This is because even with level 3, these infections are "locked in" - this is the people who have already contracted the virus and will begin showing symptoms over the next 4-14 days, and their family units who like show symptoms 4-14 days after that again.

Even with level 5, the case numbers would continue to rise per the graph.

So you can see why NPHET are worried. At the peak you're talking about 8,600 new cases over a 14-day period, or 614 cases per day. However, because this is a rolling average, we will most likely see 3 or 4 days of 700+ cases and one or two days with 1000+.

The goal of a level 5 would kick in towards the end of the week of the bank holiday. Under level 5, new cases would begin to drop off a cliff. Under level 3, you can see they drop off more gradually. Level 3 means the hospitals are under pressure for longer, where level 5 provides a more immediate release valve.

My personal opinion is that the hospitals or ICUs still won't be as swamped as they were in April. It will not be an ideal position, they'll be under pressure, some non-Covid patients will be bumped from ICU to a normal ward. But it will be the lesser evil if we can keep more businesses afloat and keep non-critical hospital services running. IMHO.

TexasTornado wrote: »

People moving indoors to socialise maybe?

I think this is the number 1 reason why cases are increasing. When we embarked on ‘flattening the curve’ back in March/April, it coincided with absolutely brilliant weather when most people wanted to be outdoors most of the time. There was no problem meeting up with other people in gardens, parks and beaches.
Now that the weather is colder outdoor socialising is not going to happen. We have been told that the spread of the virus is 20 times greater indoors than outdoors. If this is true, why is anyone surprised that the numbers are increasing.
You cannot stop people socialising. It is the oxygen of human life. If socialising stops then life itself stops. You cannot change nature with a few government regulations.

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