Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

polesheep · 07-10-2020 10:01AM

Nermal wrote: »

I'm relying on google translate here, but:

1) They say immunity is short-lived because antibodies disappear after a few months, when of course your body remembers how to produce them. Show us large-scale reinfection if you want this objection to be taken seriously.

2) They complain you can't implement shielding because asymptotic transmission is possible, the people to be shielded require support from others, and there's limited testing capacity. So what? Focus the testing capacity where it can be most useful. Use PPE when interacting with the shielded population. Apply the same effort to this plan that you apply in shutting down our economy and restricting the healthy.

3) Serious, long-lasting side effects 'cannot be ruled out'. Go find evidence for them then. You have a quarter of a billion subjects to look at. Go find evidence for this chimera, and try harder than the study I have seen posted here sampled from a Facebook support group.

Logged in this morning just to thank this post.

Jinglejangle69 · 07-10-2020 10:02AM

Jesus.

NHPET are big boys.

They will get over this.

What is wrong with some people, easily offended all the time.

Everyone gets criticism.

Boggles · 07-10-2020 10:03AM

hetuzozaho wrote: »

I'm not seeing the shít storm from the Claire Byrne show just yet, but maybe you will be right!

It won't end until Tony gives a briefing and even then depending on what he chooses to say at it might just accelerate the shít storm.

But it's not going away.

Varadkar's ruthless showmanship has fundamentally changed the game

manniot2 · 07-10-2020 10:03AM

what were the guards doing yesterday that they can suddenly drop everything and man hundreds of pointless checkpoints today.

weldoninhio · 07-10-2020 10:05AM

GooglePlus wrote: »

A come out of it, we all seen the videos and know the history of those involved. Racist hillbillies.

Your one that got hit, who goes by a pseudonym is not a well known looney lefty?? Why was she at an alleged "far right" march??

hmmm · 07-10-2020 10:07AM

manniot2 wrote: »

what were the guards doing yesterday that they can suddenly drop everything and man hundreds of pointless checkpoints today.

Lots of overtime. I understand where the government is coming on this - a level 5 lockdown would mean a cost of billions to the State, better to pay the guards an extra hundred million for more visible policing if it means we might be able to avoid it. I'm not sure how long it is sustainable though.

Le Bruise · 07-10-2020 10:08AM

is_that_so wrote: »

If you listen to Dublin City FM, a lot of it seems to be via the N4/N7 direction. The M1 slows up a bit but more like Friday traffic and I know people who find the N2 route pretty busy.

Religiously listened to Dublin City live drive on my commute up until the pandemic, cracking music and always gave me the heads up if I needed to head into the mountains to escape the M50/M11 merge....

There were huge tailbacks southbound with a travel checkpoint around bray this morning, but nothing on the way in. Makes sense as you have to assume the vast majority of those heading in to Dublin in the AM would have been on route to work/college/school.

xhomelezz · 07-10-2020 10:11AM

hmmm wrote: »

Lots of overtime. I understand where the government is coming on this - a level 5 lockdown would mean a cost of billions to the State, better to pay the guards an extra hundred million for more visible policing if it means we might be able to avoid it. I'm not sure how long it is sustainable though.

I'm all up for more visible policing. If it's been used right way. Don't think these checkpoints are going to change much.

hetuzozaho · 07-10-2020 10:12AM

Boggles wrote: »

It won't end until Tony gives a briefing and even then depending on what he chooses to say at it might just accelerate the shít storm.

But it's not going away.

Varadkar's ruthless showmanship has fundamentally changed the game

I think Tony will diffuse the situation!

I'm aware of what Gerard thinks Haha

Loafing Oaf · 07-10-2020 10:13AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Jesus.

NHPET are big boys.

They will get over this.

What is wrong with some people, easily offended all the time.

Everyone gets criticism.

Yeah, I think most of the hammering of Leo over this is down to the opposition being in agreement with the thrust of government policy and needing to kick up a fuss about something.

If Leo had said "NPHET was looking for Level 5 but the government decided on Level 3 and I'm not saying anything more" they'd be slamming him even harder.

manniot2 · 07-10-2020 10:14AM

hmmm wrote: »

Lots of overtime. I understand where the government is coming on this - a level 5 lockdown would mean a cost of billions to the State, better to pay the guards an extra hundred million for more visible policing if it means we might be able to avoid it. I'm not sure how long it is sustainable though.

who is really moving cross county on a wed morning pre 9am for non essential reasons? whatever about the weekend, this makes no sense.

is_that_so · 07-10-2020 10:14AM

manniot2 wrote: »

who is really moving cross county on a wed morning pre 9am for non essential reasons? whatever about the weekend, this makes no sense.

Starting as they mean to go on!

niallo27 · 07-10-2020 10:15AM

I dont understand the people saying we should be in lockdown, from this morning we cant even leave our own county, we cant go to a resturant or pub, we cant go on a holiday, we cant visit realtives. What the **** would you call this if its not a lockdown, its the strictest in the whole of europe, i dont think people get that we they are complaining we should go to level 5.

Boggles · 07-10-2020 10:16AM

hetuzozaho wrote: »

I think Tony will diffuse the situation!

He doesn't need to.

The numbers are the numbers.

TexasTornado · 07-10-2020 10:16AM

How will checkpoints stop house parties?

07-10-2020 10:17AM

Boggles · 07-10-2020 10:21AM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

If Leo had said "NPHET was looking for Level 5 but the government decided on Level 3 and I'm not saying anything more" they'd be slamming him even harder.

That's what every other cabinet official did. They are not being "slammed".

Not only did Leo call into the question the professional ability of the national emergency team (all though yet not disagreeing when any of the science or data) he told the public do not listen to NPHET listen to us.

They don’t advise the public, they advise the government and government decides

So basically don't listen to public health experts, science and doctors.

Very Trump Administration don't you think?

But yeah, you are right, it's people being mean to poor Leo for no reason.

caveat emptor · 07-10-2020 10:24AM

That guy on CB on RTE1 saying the main problem is people with trolleys of drink. His brother has a pub.
He said it's ok if people get a bottle of wine in the evening.

So you want to incentivise people to go to the supermarket more often. Most sensible people buy 6 / 7 bottles at a time so they don't have to go to the supermarket every evening.

I'm sorry but it's a stupid idea and won't stop house parties.

Non solum non ambulabit · 07-10-2020 10:24AM

Eod100 wrote: »

Definitely but they're not being resourced enough as it is to go back 48 hours even. They must be fairly desperate if they're going public to the media. https://twitter.com/DrZeroCraic/status/1313752413724200961?s=19

This is a Govt failure. Nothing to do with people. We had to resource up contact tracing yet it was stood down over the summer. That is the scandal and a lockdown should not be the solution.

You can't destroy the economy and peoples health because the Govt didn't hire enough contact tracers

Zebra3 · 07-10-2020 10:25AM

manniot2 wrote: »

who is really moving cross county on a wed morning pre 9am for non essential reasons? whatever about the weekend, this makes no sense.

Shift workers whose week has finished.

MerlinSouthDub · 07-10-2020 10:26AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Great chart, thanks. Really shows a consistent fall in Dublin. Much more limited impact in Donegal. Hopefully, we'll see some action from Northern Ireland government - we need an all Ireland approach urgently.

Le Bruise · 07-10-2020 10:27AM

TexasTornado wrote: »

How will checkpoints stop house parties?

The Gardai Have to be 'seen' to be doing something (as we're being told Level 3 will be enforced more). Being out on the roads with flashing lights is the easiest way of doing this. House parties are almost impossible to police, unless there are neighbour complaints or it's some kind of project X shindig.

Paddygreen · 07-10-2020 10:28AM

TexasTornado wrote: »

How will checkpoints stop house parties?

They are going to catch Anto and Deco with a boot full of Galahad. That’s what’s going to happen.

Non solum non ambulabit · 07-10-2020 10:28AM

Drumpot wrote: »

Yeh, the way it was leaked was poor, whoever did it.

But if the data suggests it’s inevitable that we will go to level 5, what is the cost of us delaying the move to level 5 while we argue about the best way to do it?

I’m sorry but this is a huge issue that often crops up when we just need to get things done. We get bogged down in pointless finger pointing and arguing about how to fix a leak while the boat sinks.

I will tell you what’s worse, is our governments pathetic communication skills and mixed messages. Leo was wrong to attack NEPHET in the manner he went about it, this represented an inability to address the issue in a composed fashion and was pure grandstanding that appealed to a significant portion of the population. Ironic that some are accusing Honohan of arrogance and in the same breath Lauding Leo for being just that.

If we go to Level 5 we will not be getting out of it this side of Christmas. That is almost guaranteed based on the evidence of previous lockdowns worldwide. All because we have a few people in ICU and Hospital. We need a proportionate response otherwise the social solidarity will be broken for good.

hetuzozaho · 07-10-2020 10:28AM

Boggles wrote: »

So basically don't listen to public health experts, science and doctors.

.

In relation to restrictions in Ireland.

But that's always been the way.

Nphet advise government then government let us know the restrictions we are under.

weldoninhio · 07-10-2020 10:29AM

TexasTornado wrote: »

How will checkpoints stop house parties?

Apparently the Gardai can't stop house parties, but according to Drew, they'll put a Garda standing outside.

“I think you’d agree that the ambiance of having guards outside your house party somewhat dampens the mood.” - I very much doubt that.

I'd have KRS-ONE Da Sound of the Police, The Prodigy Their Law and any other police based song hopping

:D:D:D

07-10-2020 10:30AM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Great chart, thanks. Really shows a consistent fall in Dublin. Much more limited impact in Donegal. Hopefully, we'll see some action from Northern Ireland government - we need an all Ireland approach urgently.

Its not a fall in Dublin yet, its a decrease in the growth rate over 7 days. Day to day starting to move in the right direction but too early to make conclusions

GooglePlus · 07-10-2020 10:30AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Your one that got hit, who goes by a pseudonym is not a well known looney lefty?? Why was she at an alleged "far right" march??

I don't think you even understand the concept of left and right wing politics. I think it's more a case that you use the term left to put those who disagree with you into a box.

Life is far more complex than left or right, you need to expand your thinking about these things.

Paddygreen · 07-10-2020 10:33AM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

If we go to Level 5 we will not be getting out of it this side of Christmas. That is almost guaranteed based on the evidence of previous lockdowns worldwide. All because we have a few people in ICU and Hospital. We need a proportionate response otherwise the social solidarity will be broken for good.

Society is held together with the rules, and the guidelines. If the authorities weren’t holding things together I reckon we would have cannibalism within weeks along with a lot more house parties.

LuasSimon · 07-10-2020 10:33AM

The checkpoints and restrictions will largely end up inconveniencing the law abiding like most other garda clampdowns .
There’s a cohort of society that don’t adhere to any laws including covid compliance that the guards are afraid of or generally avoid that need to be tackled for these checkpoints to be effective . Travellers are the cause of clusters in many parts of rural Ireland particularly and in Dublin it’s general criminals who can do what they want .

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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