Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

440Hertz · 06-10-2020 02:44PM

political analyst wrote: »

What exactly is his agenda?

I think everyone has an agenda of getting out of this situation.

You’ve pragmatic people who accept that it’s not possible to eliminate for a whole raft of reasons and are prepared to deal with the realities of that.

You’ve people who believe that we should take a draconian approach and achieve zero covid because they can see that could work, in theory. However, we have extremely porous borders and are an island with two jurisdictions, one of which is extremely unlikely to ever agree to such a strategy, so that’s a non starter and that’s even before you consider the proximity to Britain and Europe and how our life normally operates involving a vast amount of travel.

A lot of things work in theory. However in practise it’s a big, complex, messy situation and the theory can’t be applied as the perfect conditions and authoritarian powers to implement them don’t exist.

Then you’ve got those who would prefer to imagine that the virus doesn’t exist because they’re incapable of dealing with the reality of it at all. So they just get angry and throw tantrums as they prefer to chose their own reality. It’s unfortunate for them that it is world that doesn’t exist.

They all have the same agenda: they want life to be normal again. We all do.

rob316 · 06-10-2020 02:44PM

political analyst wrote: »

What exactly is his agenda?

He's just full of outlandish predictions and the guy the press contact to say everything the government is doing is wrong. No one actually takes him serious.

He's been championing that we must crush the virus with a "zero covid" policy but he doesn't realize its near impossible in Europe.

lee_baby_simms · 06-10-2020 02:44PM

rob316 wrote: »

He's a doom merchant and still championing this utterly ridiculous "zero-covid" approach, pure fantasy.

What I can never fathom is how these guys are CONSISTENTLY wrong in their post apocalyptic predictions and facts but are never taken to task publicly for it. Luke O'Neill has been wrong so many times I've lost count. Masks don't work. Masks do but face coverings don't. Heres how to make a face covering. Don't bother washing your hands. Sweden will have 20,000 dead by the end of the year.

I know we're only a week into October but this is just pure scare mongering.

https://twitter.com/SamuelMcConkey1/status/1305579552966676482?s=20

political analyst · 06-10-2020 02:48PM

In today's Indo, Eilish O'Regan wrote that, yesterday, there were 150 Covid cases in hospitals - 21 cases in intensive care.

150 is not a high number of cases for a population of just under 5 million.

Arghus · 06-10-2020 02:49PM

So no new enforcement powers so. A key component, I would have thought.

It's so predictable how this is going to play out.

BorneTobyWilde · 06-10-2020 02:50PM

Leitrim had 122 cases since this whole thing began
Sligo 204
Carlow 300
Waterford 352
Longford 377
Kilkenny 483

Then you look at Dublin, 18000, Kildare 2700,Cork 2500, Limerick 1100, Meath 1100 . It's so stupid to paint the whole country with one brush.
Dublin , Kildare, Cork, Limerick and Meath need a total lockdown, level 10!

Rest of country should be open for business, Level 2

Santy2015 · 06-10-2020 02:50PM

TexasTornado wrote: »

Covid doesn't care about the PUP or if your public or private service.

Illogical response

Oranage2 · 06-10-2020 02:50PM

political analyst wrote: »

In today's Indo, Eilish O'Regan wrote that, yesterday, there were 150 Covid cases in hospitals - 21 cases in intensive care.

150 is not a high number of cases for a population of just under 5 million.

Today it isn't but the number we get daily will affect the hospitals in 2 weeks and at the rate of growth that would be 300 in hospital and 40 icu beds.

wes · 06-10-2020 02:50PM

political analyst wrote: »

In today's Indo, Eilish O'Regan wrote that, yesterday, there were 150 Covid cases in hospitals - 21 cases in intensive care.

150 is not a high number of cases for a population of just under 5 million.

The 21 cases in intensive care are just the covid cases, what about the rest of them?

The issue is our hospital capacity isn't great, hence why we need to lockdown harder than others. If the government increased this and also got track and trace working properly, we wouldn't need to take such extreme measures.

rob316 · 06-10-2020 02:52PM

McConkey also saying today we are headed for level 6 to level 10. He is so full of it, he's making up levels now.

Vicxas · 06-10-2020 02:53PM

political analyst wrote: »

In today's Indo, Eilish O'Regan wrote that, yesterday, there were 150 Covid cases in hospitals - 21 cases in intensive care.

150 is not a high number of cases for a population of just under 5 million.

To some thats far too much,

Without a vaccine we are not going to be a zero case country. Its just not feasible socially or economically. New Zealand is an outlier unfortunately.

I dont know what the answer is, lockdown was designed to limit the initial surge on our medical infrastructure, but now its been morphed and twisted into some plan to get us to eliminate the virus.

To let it run rampant to gain herd immunity seems unfair on our most fragile.

I guess hindsight on this in a few years time will be interesting.

Roots 2020 · 06-10-2020 02:54PM

PowerToWait wrote: »

Posts like this are just bottom feeder, barrel scraping stuff, no matter which side of the NPHET recommendations argument you're from.

Did you call out the poster who called Mattie McGrath an arrogant prick? Hurrache is the poster.

Widdensushi · 06-10-2020 02:55PM

rob316 wrote: »

McConkey also saying today we are headed for level 6 to level 10. He is so full of it, he's making up levels now.

At 10 the army shoot everyone on sight

440Hertz · 06-10-2020 02:56PM

Arghus wrote: »

So no new enforcement powers so. A key component, I would have thought.

It's so predictable how this is going to play out.

It’s also why I don’t think a Level 5 or Level ∞ would make any significant differences. We haven’t really implemented Level 2 and 3 properly and even more importantly we haven’t had full public buy in.

Unfortunately, I think what will drive a change in attitude here and eliminate the messing around on the edges will probably be when a spiral up happens and then we’ll all panic and cop on.

We’re not getting the messaging and communication right on this but it’s also being utterly muddied by what’s coming in, particularly from the USA, as you can see in the rhetoric online and the protests against reality on the streets that keep cropping up.

People need to take responsibility for their own actions and things like throwing parties or acting the moron need to become socially unacceptable.

We don’t have a strong state system. We rely on each other being sensible and a social contract between each other in a way a lot of places don’t to the same extent.

By throwing those parties or taking the **** on this, you are hurting other people and that message needs to be gotten though.

This isn’t going to be life as normal until we get medical solutions. That’s not a political opinion anymore than suggesting that if you punch a brick wall it is going to hurt. Saying you don’t believe bricks are hard doesn’t change the fact it will break your knuckles.

Managing covid needs to be as much a national agenda as winning matches in Italia 90. It shouldn’t be something controversial and we should be on the same page. Ignore the pile of steaming toxicity a few thousand miles to our west. We are capable of far, far better.

stephenjmcd · 06-10-2020 02:57PM

Galway United with 2 cases.

https://twitter.com/paulohehir/status/1313475786872160256?s=19

rob316 · 06-10-2020 02:57PM

Widdensushi wrote: »

At 10 the army shoot everyone on sight

Thats 9 , I think we drop the hydrogen bomb at 10

mloc123 · 06-10-2020 02:58PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Leitrim had 122 cases since this whole thing began
Sligo 204
Carlow 300
Waterford 352
Longford 377
Kilkenny 483

Then you look at Dublin, 18000, Kildare 2700,Cork 2500, Limerick 1100, Meath 1100 . It's so stupid to paint the whole country with one brush.
Dublin , Kildare, Cork, Limerick and Meath need a total lockdown, level 10!

Rest of country should be open for business, Level 2

Kildare has about 5-6 times the population of Longford, Dublin has around 40 times the population of Longford..

Longing · 06-10-2020 02:59PM

rob316 wrote: »

McConkey also saying today we are headed for level 6 to level 10. He is so full of it, he's making up levels now.

So were the government 2 weeks ago 3.5 I recall.

FintanMcluskey · 06-10-2020 03:00PM

TexasTornado wrote: »

You must have missed the part where i said "whatever about our game"

Go back to sleep.

You actually did, and I completely missed that.

Apologies.

I may go back to bed

mloc123 · 06-10-2020 03:00PM

political analyst wrote: »

What exactly is his agenda?

To make a name for himself.... like all these talking heads

Roger_007 · 06-10-2020 03:01PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Galway United with 2 cases.

https://twitter.com/paulohehir/status/1313475786872160256?s=19

Galway united players have been restricting their movements for years.

ACitizenErased · 06-10-2020 03:02PM

Major outbreak at a nursing home in Portlaoise - at least 30 cases among residents and staff.

political analyst · 06-10-2020 03:02PM

wes wrote: »

The 21 cases in intensive care are just the covid cases, what about the rest of them?

The issue is our hospital capacity isn't great, hence why we need to lockdown harder than others. If the government increased this and also got track and trace working properly, we wouldn't need to take such extreme measures.

How many of the 21 intensive care cases are of the vulnerable categories?

If the vulnerable are taking precautions then why are there so many cases?

Why are so many people who are not of the vulnerable categories susceptible to severe symptoms?

political analyst · 06-10-2020 03:03PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Major outbreak at a nursing home in Portlaoise - at least 30 cases among residents and staff.

But all staff and visitors have been required to wear PPE for the past few months. So how could the virus get into the nursing home?

Benimar · 06-10-2020 03:03PM

516 positive swabs on 11,646 tests - 4.43% positivity

is_that_so · 06-10-2020 03:04PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Major outbreak at a nursing home in Portlaoise - at least 30 cases among residents and staff.

Yeah HSE and HIQA now on the case so to speak.

GeorgeBailey · 06-10-2020 03:05PM

rob316 wrote: »

Thats 9 , I think we drop the hydrogen bomb at 10

Source?

Santy2015 · 06-10-2020 03:05PM

Benimar wrote: »

516 positive swabs on 11,646 tests - 4.43% positivity

Seem to be testing less over the past few days...

Also the rumour mill has got going on twitter that Dr Tony H is going to tender his resignation later today

is_that_so · 06-10-2020 03:05PM

Benimar wrote: »

516 positive swabs on 11,646 tests - 4.43% positivity

So probably 500 odd again. Positivity rate is creeping up.

stockshares · 06-10-2020 03:05PM

I wonder if this a better long term option than doing deals with Private Hospitals like earlier in the year.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1313480042400428032?s=19

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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