Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

martingriff · 06-10-2020 01:31PM

landofthetree wrote: »

You will always have selfish assholes.

But level 3 worked in Offaly.

The vast majority will comply and numbers will fall.

Going by the figures in hospital an ICU and capacity I am not so sure

PowerToWait · 06-10-2020 01:33PM

Roots 2020 wrote: »

Holohan is an arrogant prick.

Posts like this are just bottom feeder, barrel scraping stuff, no matter which side of the NPHET recommendations argument you're from.

stockshares · 06-10-2020 01:33PM

titan18 wrote: »

It's UEFA, the game will go ahead if half the squad are riddled with it. They've made several teams play already despite it being clear they shouldn't have

Surely Teams can take a stand and make their own decisions.

titan18 · 06-10-2020 01:34PM

snotboogie wrote: »

McGrath is not from rural Ireland he is a Cork City TD. He is from the same constituency as Coveney

That's Michael, not Mattie

John O.Groats · 06-10-2020 01:35PM

froog wrote: »

so no enforcement change other than a few more useless garda "how are ya?" checkpoints.

absolute ****show.

level 5 in two weeks.

stock up.

I believe you may be correct.

Funsterdelux · 06-10-2020 01:35PM

landofthetree wrote: »

You will always have selfish assholes.

But level 3 worked in Offaly.

The vast majority will comply and numbers will fall.

That was mostly to do with meatplant clusters wasnt it? CT is a bigger problem now across the board. Hopefully L3 will slow it down fast enough.

bennyl10 · 06-10-2020 01:35PM

landofthetree wrote: »

You will always have selfish assholes.

But level 3 worked in Offaly.

The vast majority will comply and numbers will fall.

numbers in offlay are steadily rising though?(as per https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/detailed-county-statistics)
Level 3 slows the rise, but cases still rise exponentially

titan18 · 06-10-2020 01:38PM

stockshares wrote: »

Surely Teams can take a stand and make their own decisions.

Napoli did that in Serie A at the weekend and game is likely going down as 3-0 forfeit.

Uefa rules are that a match can take place as long as a side have 13 healthy players, including a goalkeeper.

Al-Hilal were disqualified in the Asian CL after they couldn't play due to over half the team being covid positive.

expectationlost · 06-10-2020 01:38PM

anymore maintaining a chart on where outbreaks are occurring

caveat emptor · 06-10-2020 01:40PM

Regarding nursing homes. Is the plan the same? Morphine so they don’t clog up the hospitals? Not a great plan in my opinion. It’s clear we can’t keep this out of vulnerable populations so we are accepting a lot people dying who otherwise would not have died. Good to know.

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1313105510044966912?s=21

Sweet.Science · 06-10-2020 01:42PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Regarding nursing homes. Is the plan the same? Morphine so they don’t clog up the hospitals? Not a great plan in my opinion. It’s clear we can’t keep this out of vulnerable populations so we are accepting a lot people dying who otherwise would not have died. Good to know.

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1313105510044966912?s=21

The family sign a waiver for that to happen if their parent becomes ill. Its been the practice way before Covid . Cruel to put them through any sort of treatment in a hospital just for the same outcome

stephenjmcd · 06-10-2020 01:46PM

stockshares wrote: »

Surely Teams can take a stand and make their own decisions.

Nope, game goes ahead so long as you've 13 available players.

If you can't call up more players if you've under 13 its a walk over. Not exactly a game on Thursday that you can give a walk over in. Anyway thats UEFA for you

Hand in Your Pants · 06-10-2020 01:48PM

Can someone tell me when we started referring to doctors and healthcare professionals as "medics"? Before the pandemic the only time I ever heard this term was in war movies. Is it all part and parcel of the WWII analogies and your country needs you gibberish that people have bought into?

stockshares · 06-10-2020 01:49PM

titan18 wrote: »

Napoli did that in Serie A at the weekend and game is likely going down as 3-0 forfeit.

Uefa rules are that a match can take place as long as a side have 13 healthy players, including a goalkeeper.

Al-Hilal were disqualified in the Asian CL after they couldn't play due to over half the team being covid positive.

Uefas attitude is encouraging the spread not preventing it..
Once it's within a squad the chances are it spreads to others over the next few days.

The match should be postponed.

hetuzozaho · 06-10-2020 01:52PM

crossman47 wrote: »

Exactly People have forgotten. The cervical check "scandal" was about not letting women (who had cancer and were being treated) know that an audit of their cases showed the cancer could possibly have been found - it did not affect their treatment. Again, the service was run by the HSE - he is not running the HSE.

When asked what happened there I find a lot have the wrong end of the stick.

Hurrache · 06-10-2020 01:52PM

Hand in Your Pants wrote: »

Can someone tell me when we started referring to doctors and healthcare professionals as "medics"? Before the pandemic the only time I ever heard this term was in war movies. Is it all part and parcel of the WWII analogies and your country needs you gibberish that people have bought into?

Doctor and the Medics may have something to say about that, they got famous decades ago about where'll you end up when you pass away.

Away With The Fairies · 06-10-2020 01:53PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Regarding nursing homes. Is the plan the same? Morphine so they don’t clog up the hospitals? Not a great plan in my opinion. It’s clear we can’t keep this out of vulnerable populations so we are accepting a lot people dying who otherwise would not have died. Good to know.

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1313105510044966912?s=21

Oh god, a few posters here saw this coming. The more cases, it will just get to the vulnerable eventually. This is awful news.

polesheep · 06-10-2020 01:53PM

martingriff wrote: »

So the Gardai have just said we have no new powers we can't stop you unless you break an existing law. S basically you can travel where you may. Comical the government should have this sorted out. Some people have shown time and time again unless it is mandatory (maybe not even then) they give the 2 fingers

People driving across county borders isn't an issue.

Funsterdelux · 06-10-2020 01:55PM

Hand in Your Pants wrote: »

Can someone tell me when we started referring to doctors and healthcare professionals as "medics"? Before the pandemic the only time I ever heard this term was in war movies. Is it all part and parcel of the WWII analogies and your country needs you gibberish that people have bought into?

I think its was Feb 30th, 2020

is_that_so · 06-10-2020 01:57PM

Eod100 wrote: »

All of the country being level 3 is hardly living with the virus.

Given that it's not going anywhere soon it is the best we can do. Most of us are living with it as well as we can. Some people have returned to pre-COVID social behaviour and that is what is driving this current surge. If we can make ourselves collectively get a grip on that, the sooner we can look at Level 2 and Level 1. If we don't, Levels 4 &5 are on their way very soon.

rob316 · 06-10-2020 01:57PM

There is just an acceptance and realization across the world that you can't stop this virus without a vaccine. Zero covid is absolute fantasy stuff for a european country. I just can't see many countries willing to go back into full lockdowns. If your sick, old or at risk, protect yourself otherwise there is a high chance you will die I'm afraid.

blowitupref · 06-10-2020 01:59PM

Last two weeks. Leitrim 10 cases, Carlow 25, Sligo 42, Mayo 44,Waterford 34,Kilkenny 42,Laois 75,Kerry 77, Tipperary 73, Westmeath 61,Wexford 71.

Any view from posters from those counties on getting lumped into level 3? Worth pointing out in the three hospitals in Connacht in Mayo, Galway, Sligo there is currently 1 person in hospital with Covid.

titan18 · 06-10-2020 01:59PM

stockshares wrote: »

Uefas attitude is encouraging the spread not preventing it..
Once it's within a squad the chances are it spreads to others over the next few days.

The match should be postponed.

Yup, RB Salzburg have ended up with positive cases as they had to play Maccabi Tel Aviv in CL qualifier. Tel Aviv already had multiple positives but had to play under UEFA rules, and as a result Salzburg ended up with positives.

Asking players to start travelling across Europe from clubs to national teams is just asking for something to happen.

gmisk · 06-10-2020 02:00PM

polesheep wrote: »

People driving across county borders isn't an issue.

If they are going from dublin to somewhere like say Leitrim....can you not see an issue?
Travelling to an area with massive numbers to one with very small...

drunkmonkey · 06-10-2020 02:01PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Given that it's not going anywhere soon it is the best we can do. Most of us are living with it as well as we can. Some people have returned to pre-COVID social behaviour and that is what is driving this current surge. If we can make ourselves collectively get a grip on that, the sooner we can look at Level 2 and Level 1. If we don't, Levels 4 &5 are on their way very soon.

Some of us should have been moving to level 1, the whole plan is bollix excuse my French absolutely 0 incentive to play any part in this nonsense anymore.

TexasTornado · 06-10-2020 02:02PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

FAI confirm backroom staff member has tested positive before Slovakia game

Can't believe football is allowing a situation like this to occur. Whatever about our game but players flying off for international friendly matches in the midle of a pandemic is pathetic.

weldoninhio · 06-10-2020 02:05PM

TexasTornado wrote: »

Can't believe football is allowing a situation like this to occur. Whatever about our game but players flying off for international friendly matches in the midle of a pandemic is pathetic.

Who is flying anywhere for friendlies?

polesheep · 06-10-2020 02:05PM

gmisk wrote: »

If they are going from dublin to somewhere like say Leitrim....can you not see an issue?
Travelling to an area with massive numbers to one with very small...

If they're going to a house party, yes. But the majority of people are being careful and it's not crossing notional boundaries that is the issue in spread.

is_that_so · 06-10-2020 02:06PM

elefant wrote: »

I think you're misunderstanding.

I am not defending NPHET. I'm neutral on their advice; they're just doing their job. The government's job is to take that information and set out policy. Agree or disagree with what policies the government set out, I don't have a problem with them doing their job as best as they can.

Leo Varadkar is on television trashing NPHET; not explaining the government's rationale for their decision, but painting NPHET as callous elites. It was completely unnecessary and deleterious, aside from apparently giving people a fuzzy feeling about somebody speaking frankly,

I've read what he said and all I can say this is a whole lot of your own projection. Was it rushed? Quite probably. Would they be affected by the redundancies that Level 5 would bring? No!

If there's anything deleterious in this it's NPHET hitting the country with extreme advice that nobody knew was coming. I think they brought it on themselves. It was shockingly bad communication and a narrow focus that would not have been out of place in March but this is not March. Level 4 may not be far away and 5 may be imminent too but you need to prepare people. They did not at all nor did they tell anyone else who could prepare people.

06-10-2020 02:09PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Very many patients in care homes have had long discussions about no heroic efforts and no invasive treatment
My own mother was very adamant she would not be moved to hospital if very il
Thankfully she wasn’t and died surrounded by the nurses and carers who knew her so well and by her family
Many many care home residents choose this . And not to move them is in their best interest

Iamwhoiam, that's fine, if it was your mother's choice. But "very many" or "many many" does not mean ALL.

And its not the point here. The point is, when it came to Covid there were no options. It was a forgone conclusion that infected residents would stay in their nursing homes. There was no option for discussion. Very different scenario.

The doctor in my mother's nursing home told me very plainly that legally it was his decision, and his decision alone and he did not have to refer to the patient or the family's wishes when making it.

Which is why no member of my family will ever enter a nursing home again.

Keeping elderly covid patients in Nursing Homes was not done "in their best interest". It was done to keep as many beds available for younger people as possible, no two ways about it.

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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