Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

cjyid · 05-10-2020 04:12PM

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Can gyms remain open on level 3?

Yep. No classes, just individual training.

Luap · 05-10-2020 04:12PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Level 3 is:
Work from home unless absolutely necessary to attend in person.

Level 2 is:
Work from home if possible. If you can work from home, you are advised to only attend work for essential on-site meetings, inductions and training.

Thank you - can see my employer ignoring this - hopefully will have a choice

shmeee · 05-10-2020 04:12PM

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Can gyms remain open on level 3?

Individual training only

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 05-10-2020 04:12PM

Ger Roe wrote: »

Even if the 'can'... should they?

Sigh.

Anyone else?

GooglePlus · 05-10-2020 04:13PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Should read the data then. Slowing growth in Dublin compared to 2 weeks ago, definitely changes being seen

Can you share the data, I can't see how growth is slowing given the cases Dublin has seen over the weekend? Is that based on a leveling out of daily cases while in the 400's? Does it take the 600 figure into account?

spookwoman · 05-10-2020 04:13PM

If people cannot even adhere to current guidelines do you honestly think they will adhere to level 3.

stephenjmcd · 05-10-2020 04:13PM

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Can gyms remain open on level 3?

Yup just for your own workout no classes

Sierra Oscar · 05-10-2020 04:13PM

mr_edge_to_you wrote: »

You could argue, if they're advising of level 5 restrictions and the government gave taken minimal action (level 2 to 3), what's their purpose?

Their purpose is to provide the Government with informed advice to enable the Government to make informed decisions. That is what is happening and what will continue to happen. It was never a fait accompli that the Government would inevitably accept NPHET's advice.

eagle eye · 05-10-2020 04:13PM

Deleted User wrote:

This hasnâ€™t made Tony look good on his first day back. His own fault

Tony has clearly come across as a leader who won't bow down to the government. His return was clearly badly needed.

Buford T Justice · 05-10-2020 04:13PM

Dublin, Cork & Donegal all have rapidly rising case numbers and two of them are already on level 3 for two weeks now at least.

The government response is to put the whole country on level 3? Makes no sense when you consider that there are counties with very little cases being treated the same as them.

shinzon · 05-10-2020 04:13PM

billybonkers wrote: »

Dublin and Donegal are at Level 3.765 not Level 4

Lol I forgot theres levels between levels

:D:D

Shin

Gael23 · 05-10-2020 04:13PM

Well deserved slap in the face for Holohan

suicide_circus · 05-10-2020 04:14PM

TexasTornado wrote: »

Joke government

Wealth before health

Why are they not trusting the science???

Infini · 05-10-2020 04:14PM

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Can gyms remain open on level 3?

Yes. If we stay on Level 3 we still have gyms but we lose them at level 4.

That being said if they're only going to level 3 for the country that does feel alot like Mehole's dithering to me, NPHET recommended level 5 but I think alot of people would be more willing to accept it if given proper reasoning for it. Its the sudden escalation that got people startled.

However if the goverment shy away from the tough decision now and we end up with a situation like Italy with people being taken to crematoriums in army trucks because the health system collapses then people will learn a hard leason that honestly Id rather not see people go through. You can lose money but money can be made again, buisnesses can be lost but they can be rebuilt as well, you lose your life its game over theres no coming back.

Gradius · 05-10-2020 04:14PM

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DeanAustin wrote: »

The first bolded bit is your opinion and no one is advocating the 2nd point. Of course, if you learn to live with the virus, you don't pretend it doesn't exist. That would be stupid.

People, like me, advocating managing the virus believe that we should have guidelines that are enforcable and enforced. You continue to push the personal responsibility line and the messages about distancing, hand washing etc. You put measures in place to protect the most vulnerable. But you don't lock down the rest.

Locking down doesn't have light at the end of the tunnel as you can't get rid of the virus without a vaccine.

I appreciate what you're saying, but to me there is very little difference between pretending it doesn't exist and attempting to go back to normal with a few enforcement's.

It is entirely possible to isolate and kill the virus within any defined territory. It is the same principle as quarantining a pneumonia house in the 1920's. It's nothing new.

So I still say that it is the only strategy that has a chance of success.

And by the way there are lots of people in the actual "doesn't exist" conspiracy now. Mad, but that's what you're up against.

hmmm · 05-10-2020 04:14PM

We need a sea-change in enforcement. It's not enough to ask the public to do more, the relatively small group who are deliberately flouting restrictions don't care, and there is a larger group of "ah shure it'll be fine" people who need to be challenged.

It shouldn't be up to the Guards - there isn't enough of them.

Fines I think should be the first step, and aggressively hand them out. Fine supermarkets if they let people in without masks. Fine publicans who allow social distancing breaches. Fine home-owners if they have parties. Fine hotels if they are not complying with the rules. Fine people who travel outside their counties if there is a lockdown.

Let people complain about their "Constitutional rights". We can deal with that later.

Miike · 05-10-2020 04:14PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Some counties don’t even need level 3 either so even with that its quite extreme

We currently have less than 40 critical care beds available nationally. We will have exactly zero in a matter of weeks if things continue. We have a chance to get ahead of it

drunkmonkey · 05-10-2020 04:15PM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

People will be furious when we are in level 5 restrictions in the run up to and during Christmas. NPHET will be out saying it was avoidable.

Or the death rate doesn't increase in line with the forecasts and the gig is up.

shocksy · 05-10-2020 04:15PM

Cowardly government, haven't a pair of balls between them. Ignoring NPHET because they think they know better haha hope it causes the government to crash and burn in the coming weeks when the cases and deaths rise which they will in crazy numbers.

MerlinSouthDub · 05-10-2020 04:15PM

Ger Roe wrote: »

Even if they 'can'... should they?

They most definitely should. Staying fit is the best defence against premature death. 30000 people died in Ireland last year. Thousands of those would not have died if they had looked after themselves better.

05-10-2020 04:15PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Little affect

In the past 7 days the 14 day incidence rate in Dublin grew by 6.3%, and for the country as a whole it grew by 27%
In the previous 7 the rates were 12% and 23%
And prior to that 53% and 45%

spookwoman · 05-10-2020 04:16PM

Hulk Hands · 05-10-2020 04:16PM

eagle eye wrote: »

So the people we are supposed to trust to protect our health recommend level 5 and the crooked clowns voted in to run the country reject that advice.
More cases and more deaths on the way so.
Watch how they word it though, there'll be an escape clause so you can't blame Martin, Varadkar et al.

I'm personally delighted that it's elected officials finally making the decisions. A decision with all factors of public life taken into account.

At level 3, we'll still be one of the heaviest locked-down nations, with case & hospital numbers towards the lower end of Europe. Surely the pro lockdown folk can be happy with that

mr_edge_to_you · 05-10-2020 04:16PM

hmmm wrote: »

We need a sea-change in enforcement. It's not enough to ask the public to do more, the relatively small group who are deliberately flouting restrictions don't care, and there is a larger group of "ah shure it'll be fine" people who need to be challenged.

It shouldn't be up to the Guards - there isn't enough of them.

Fines I think should be the first step, and aggressively hand them out. Fine supermarkets if they let people in without masks. Fine publicans who allow social distancing breaches. Fine home-owners if they have parties. Fine hotels if they are not complying with the rules.

Let people complain about their "Constitutional rights". We can deal with that later.

Excellent post.

We will have Level 3 restrictions and then the tin foil hat brigade will march up Grafton St on Saturday with no one stopping them.

is_that_so · 05-10-2020 04:16PM

Ger Roe wrote: »

I think 'scheduling issues' might refer to the fact the some of the NPHET main players will be involved in other government briefings tonight. There certainly needs to be a state address from the podium today, communication with the public is such a leaky mess at the moment and the general mood of the nation is not good.

This government needs to plug the leaks and release info in a controlled and considered manner, otherwise we are heading to a very dark place in terms of public mood and potential compliance. If we go there, they (Gov) will only have themselves to blame.

Effective communication is crucial and they are failing badly on so many levels, at the moment.

I agree on communication, it's been collectively dire. We could do with a lot more Harris type nagging about what we are doing.

autumnbelle · 05-10-2020 04:16PM

What does this mean for weddings? People need to start calling out the assholes that are putting house parties etc on social media. Will pubs close again

stephenjmcd · 05-10-2020 04:16PM

https://twitter.com/Philip_Ryan/status/1313134546716680195?s=19

Oranage2 · 05-10-2020 04:17PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

Can you share the data, I can't see how growth is slowing given the cases Dublin has seen over the weekend? Is that based on a leveling out of daily cases while in the 400's? Does it take the 600 figure into account?

Exactly, it only appears to be stable because of the limited testing done, the positivity rate is above 4 now when it was around 2.3 two weeks ago. No point arguing with this guy about facts.

tobefrank321 · 05-10-2020 04:17PM

Buford T Justice wrote: »

Dublin, Cork & Donegal all have rapidly rising case numbers and two of them are already on level 3 for two weeks now at least.

The government response is to put the whole country on level 3? Makes no sense when you consider that there are counties with very little cases being treated the same as them.

Agreed. NPHET and government need to be more surgical in their response.

And even within counties outbreaks can be limited to certain towns and areas, as long as movement is restricted around these areas, outbreaks should be contained.

drunkmonkey · 05-10-2020 04:17PM

Miike wrote: »

We currently have less than 40 critical care beds available nationally. We will have exactly zero in a matter of weeks if things continue. We have a chance to get ahead of it

We've a super bug breakout in a lot of hospitals that's already killing. Critical care beds won't be long filling up without covid.

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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