Who smokes anymore ?

AllForIt · 05-10-2020 12:56PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The fact is... we don't care. Until... we do. That's it really. No different from the people who horse down twelve pints on a night out, or justify binge drinking to themselves. We don't care. We're addicted, and we will accept it as such. It's not about thinking about death or getting a tube stuck into our throats to help breathe... We're all able to dismiss such thought until they become a reality.

I've stopped smoking, properly, three times in my life, each being longer than two years. I went back for a variety of stress/emotional related reasons. I know what it's like to not smoke, along with not having any cravings. I remember it all. However, I still smoke now for my own reasons.

I care and I gave up for health reasons including vanity reasons. As I got older I could see it was affecting my looks particularly my gums and my complexion. These negative effects didn't really kick in till my mid 30's. Plus I got into fitness later in life and cardio was much more difficult when smoking.

As far as giving up and going back on them, that happened to me too a few times. I had been off them 5 years once. I took up vaping (even though I didn't want to do that either) to counteract this and it worked. When I have a drink I'm happy to vape now and it doesn't put me back on the cigs. Still not ideal but it's a lot better than saying 'oh I go back on them eventually so may as well stay on them'.

05-10-2020 01:42PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It is just smokers or do you other things such as diet / alcohol gambling etc. rile you as well?

A roaring death to anyone who does anything they don’t agree with!

05-10-2020 01:45PM

AllForIt wrote: »

Still not ideal but it's a lot better than saying 'oh I go back on them eventually so may as well stay on them'.

Not what I said. Still, happy for you that you've managed to stay off them.

AllForIt · 05-10-2020 02:13PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Not what I said. Still, happy for you that you've managed to stay off them.

Thanks.

No I inferred it from what you said. Apologies.

LuasSimon · 05-10-2020 03:14PM

Would have thought older people ie over 60 might as well keep smoking as their system would be totally shocked after 40 years smoking to stop it .
I knew 2 people who gave up smoking in their 60s and both died within a year ...

El_Duderino 09 · 05-10-2020 03:18PM

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Was walking behind a guy there this morning, he was puffing out his “vape” like a chimney.

Honestly, I’d much rather be near a “normal“ smoker than a man-child, with an unkempt beard, blowing out large clouds of candyfloss, lemonade or fudge scented vapour.

The stuff is obviously aimed at children, much like the “alco-pops“ we had back in the day. Hooch, Woodies, Mugshot and the like. How any grown up could think the sweeties flavour “vapes” are acceptable is just beyond me.

There's no "comparison" between the smell of smoke and the "smell" of a vape. "Vapes" smell like cheap air "freshener" at worst. Smoke smells "like" smoke. I really don't "mind" if people vape around "me".

But it's interesting to see how far people's vape goes whe you're "walking" in the street and "see" the cloud of vape. Mad to "think" that's how far everyone's breath goes but you can't see "it" most of the time "."

o1s1n · 05-10-2020 03:26PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

There's no "comparison" between the smell of smoke and the "smell" of a vape. "Vapes" smell like cheap air "freshener" at worst. Smoke smells "like" smoke. I really don't "mind" if people vape around "me".

But it's interesting to see how far people's vape goes whe you're "walking" in the street and "see" the cloud of vape. Mad to "think" that's how far everyone's breath goes but you can't see "it" most of the time "."

I know you added inverted commas to make a point, but reading that made part of me die inside :eek:

Mr Meanor · 05-10-2020 03:30PM

Its very very addictive, it never lets you go, ever.
I think smokers should get every possible help to quit a lethal substance that makes other drugs look almost banal but is hidden by its legitimacy.
We berate the poor people addicted to this substance yet cheer on the coke heads!

El_Duderino 09 · 05-10-2020 03:36PM

Mr Meanor wrote: »

Its very very addictive, it never lets you go, ever.
I think smokers should get every possible help to quit a lethal substance that makes other drugs look almost banal but is hidden by its legitimacy.
We berate the poor people addicted to this substance yet cheer on the coke heads!

I agree that smokers should be offered help to quit but who cheers on coke users?

JohnnyFlash · 05-10-2020 03:37PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

There's no "comparison" between the smell of smoke and the "smell" of a vape. "Vapes" smell like cheap air "freshener" at worst. Smoke smells "like" smoke. I really don't "mind" if people vape around "me".

But it's interesting to see how far people's vape goes whe you're "walking" in the street and "see" the cloud of vape. Mad to "think" that's how far everyone's breath goes but you can't see "it" most of the time "."

Those vaper types with a ‘rig’ the size of a shoebox that produce clouds of steam that would envelope a KISS concert are ridiculous sort of people in fairness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9puCt7HccOY

El_Duderino 09 · 05-10-2020 03:41PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Those vaper types with a ‘rig’ the size of a shoebox that produce clouds of steam that would envelope a KISS concert are ridiculous sort of people in fairness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9puCt7HccOY

I don't see why it would annoy anyone.

Is the size of the vape cloud part of the appeal to vapers?

jelem · 05-10-2020 03:42PM

1st cig at 7years old on corrugated roof of village cricket club.
62 now and scare last year thought lungs but not.-- when xray the
operator said great expansion.
many passed away before me and many of them non smokers.
maybe i lucky or it is just you go when you go smoke\drink\accident
other health reasons.

Kylta · 05-10-2020 03:46PM

I think if you want to smoke, smoke as long as your not blowing it in anybodys face.
I think if you don't want to smoke don't smoke, every where is nearly a non smoking area now so there is really no reason for a non smoker to be any where near a smoker unless their looking for something to moan about. My pet hate is the ex smoker who condemns the smoker, that also goes for a gargler, and a gambler too.

bb1234567 · 05-10-2020 05:40PM

LuasSimon wrote: »

Would have thought older people ie over 60 might as well keep smoking as their system would be totally shocked after 40 years smoking to stop it .
I knew 2 people who gave up smoking in their 60s and both died within a year ...

Correlation not causation. People give up when the symptoms caused by their habit get unbearable, quit smoking when it's too late, and die soon after.

whisky_galore · 05-10-2020 06:36PM

charlietheminxx wrote: »

I think this lot give the rest of us a bad name, the people with their big sub-ohm clouds Not everyone uses devices like this, I don't even understand the appeal of them.

Tbh I can't understand the appeal of puffing on foul smelling dried vegetable matter but there you go.

SlowBlowin · 05-10-2020 06:46PM

Its amazing ow many of the "don't blow your smoke near me" brigade go home to peat fires in their diesel cars... Not giving a **** who breathes their pollution.

Happy to be put in my place by an electric car driving eco-warrior type - trouble is most of them smoke too !!

IAMAMORON · 05-10-2020 06:47PM

Non smokers have never got it and never will.

Strumms · 05-10-2020 07:00PM

It always amazes me how much smoking is still socially acceptable in workplaces.

In my last job at a guess about 35% of staff were smokers.

From my office, to the canteen to make the tea/coffee, to the front door, the actual smoke and back was about 12-15 minutes.. at a guess a smoker had an average of 4 - 5 non official break smokes per shift. At four cigarettes that’s 48 minutes at 5 that’s an hour...at least.

If I as a non smoker, 4 or 5 times per day, went into the canteen outside of scheduled break times, got a tea/coffee/coke and watched a horse race I’d have the supervisor down after me like a hot snot demanding I get my ass back to work.

What is the difference ?

Deebles McBeebles · 05-10-2020 07:09PM

I used to smoke. I still do, but I used to, too.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 05-10-2020 07:27PM

The thing that amazes me, is how hollywood and the film industry still gets away with portraying smoking as being cool and edgy... you'd think there would be pressure from society to stop this practice but I've never heard of anything. Smoking has always been a very important prop used by filmmakers to convey all sorts of different emotions.

When you consider how woke and right-on hollywood is, and how influential it is to see an A-list actor with a smoke in their mouth looking cool...

the purple tin · 05-10-2020 07:31PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

The thing that amazes me, is how hollywood and the film industry still gets away with portraying smoking as being cool and edgy... you'd think there would be pressure from society to stop this practice but I've never heard of anything. Smoking has always been a very important prop used by filmmakers to convey all sorts of different emotions.

When consider how woke and right-on hollywood is, and how influential it is to see an A-list actor with a smoke in their mouth looking cool...

A lot of actors and pop stars especially female are secret smokers. They are very rarely pictured in public with a ciggy, probably don't want to alienate any potential fans.
Even health fanatics like Gwyneth Paltrow which shows you how addictive they are.

IAMAMORON · 05-10-2020 07:41PM

Strumms wrote: »

It always amazes me how much smoking is still socially acceptable in workplaces.

In my last job at a guess about 35% of staff were smokers.

From my office, to the canteen to make the tea/coffee, to the front door, the actual smoke and back was about 12-15 minutes.. at a guess a smoker had an average of 4 - 5 non official break smokes per shift. At four cigarettes that’s 48 minutes at 5 that’s an hour...at least.

If I as a non smoker, 4 or 5 times per day, went into the canteen outside of scheduled break times, got a tea/coffee/coke and watched a horse race I’d have the supervisor down after me like a hot snot demanding I get my ass back to work.

What is the difference ?

This is the real non-smoking crab. I always find it hilarious. It is the epitome of the non smoking mentality.

All the most productive and industrious employees I have ever had were smokers. A lot of bread winners back the horsies also. A horse race takes 2 minutes.

What your colleagues do with their time is none of your business... unless it is your business to know what they are doing.

Staff who spend their days preoccupied with watching the habits of other staff are usually not doing their own jobs properly.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 05-10-2020 07:43PM

the purple tin wrote: »

A lot of actors and pop stars especially female are secret smokers. They are very rarely pictured in public with a ciggy, probably don't want to alienate any potential fans.
Even health fanatics like Gwyneth Paltrow which shows you how addictive they are.

Yeah, I get that.

But I'm not really referring to what they do in their private lives.

If a director told her to light up a cigarette for an important scene in a movie, would she even give it a 2nd thought? Does anyone?

Just seems like an odd anomaly to me, that movies keep portraying smoking the same way they always have. Look at all the societal issues that get dragged into movies (some of them ad nauseum I might add), to create awareness and send out certain messages that people are passionate about.

But smoking seems to get ignored.

Hand in Your Pants · 05-10-2020 07:50PM

the purple tin wrote: »

A lot of actors and pop stars especially female are secret smokers. They are very rarely pictured in public with a ciggy, probably don't want to alienate any potential fans.
Even health fanatics like Gwyneth Paltrow which shows you how addictive they are.

Damn I would love a post coital puff with Paltrow. A very fine woman, intelligent, sexy, independent minded, and with her own highly lucrative career. I was amazed she got to together with that runt from coldplay. I want to shoot my glob on her feet and press a beautiful engagement ring between her toes.

Strumms · 05-10-2020 08:01PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

This is the real non-smoking crab. I always find it hilarious. It is the epitome of the non smoking mentality.

All the most productive and industrious employees I have ever had were smokers. A lot of bread winners back the horsies also. A horse race takes 2 minutes.

What your colleagues do with their time is none of your business... unless it is your business to know what they are doing.

Staff who spend their days preoccupied with watching the habits of other staff are usually not doing their own jobs properly.

Of course it’s my business, as mine is theirs too.

If I piss off 5 times a day to make coffee for the cute girl in the office next door and hang with her making small talk people have a right to be put out.

They are gone on their puff ramble work still coming in, phones need answering still which means you have less opportunity to get your own stuff done with calls taking time and work as a result of them too.

EmmetSpiceland · 05-10-2020 08:03PM

Strumms wrote: »

Of course it’s my business, as mine is theirs too.

If I piss off 5 times a day to make coffee for the cute girl in the office next door and hang with her making small talk people have a right to be put out.

They are gone on their puff ramble work still coming in, phones need answering still which means you have less opportunity to get your own stuff done with calls taking time and work as a result of them too.

You should always declare that you’re a smoker when you start a new job. Then you too can avail of a number of 5 minute “breaks” throughout the day.

IAMAMORON · 05-10-2020 08:07PM

Strumms wrote: »

Of course it’s my business, as mine is theirs too.

If I piss off 5 times a day to make coffee for the cute girl in the office next door and hang with her making small talk people have a right to be put out.

They are gone on their puff ramble work still coming in, phones need answering still which means you have less opportunity to get your own stuff done with calls taking time and work as a result of them too.

What makes you think they are not working just because they are having a smoke?

If they are responsible for answering the phone then they are being irresponsible for smoking when they should be doing their jobs. That is an issue for HR.

It has nothing to do with you though, unless it is your responsibility to manage what they do?

05-10-2020 08:12PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

The thing that amazes me, is how hollywood and the film industry still gets away with portraying smoking as being cool and edgy... you'd think there would be pressure from society to stop this practice but I've never heard of anything. Smoking has always been a very important prop used by filmmakers to convey all sorts of different emotions.

When you consider how woke and right-on hollywood is, and how influential it is to see an A-list actor with a smoke in their mouth looking cool...

"While it’s a big — if somewhat controversial, considering the reaction of some subscribers online — step for Netflix, it’s hardly unique or even that progressive. Over a decade ago, the Hollywood studios began rolling out their own anti-smoking policies under pressure from the MPAA ratings board (which was, in turn, under pressure from various anti-smoking groups to include smoking as part of its ratings determination)."

The article goes through the major studios and their attitudes to smoking.

Smoking is part of many peoples lives... and it does serve as a prop to convey all manner of emotional messages. Perhaps just add an age requirement to movies/TV shows that contain smoking...

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 05-10-2020 08:13PM

Hand in Your Pants wrote: »

Damn I would love a post coital puff with Paltrow. A very fine woman, intelligent, sexy, independent minded, and with her own highly lucrative career. I was amazed she got to together with that runt from coldplay. I want to shoot my glob on her feet and press a beautiful engagement ring between her toes.

There'd be a Gwyneth Paltrow shaped hole in the door, and you'd have your hand in your pants again as usual.

GreeBo · 05-10-2020 08:14PM

Hand in Your Pants wrote: »

A cigarette after a nice meal is one of life's great pleasures. Or a bit of peace and quiet staring up at the stars with a fag on a chilly evening.

If you smoke you probably can't even taste the nice meal!

Who smokes anymore ?

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