Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

shmeee · 05-10-2020 12:08PM

GeorgeBailey wrote: »

They need to add an extra solidarity element to level 5 that those responsible for the decision will for the period of level 5 move to PUP payments.

You have lost the plot!!

Go away and stop talking rot.

They will have to work long days to get the PUP, TWSS (EWSS) to people as quickly as possible again.

ACitizenErased · 05-10-2020 12:08PM

It’s quite clear what is after happening here. There should be no confusion.
Tony Holohan has/had absolutely zero confidence in Glynn. He decided to return and set us on the straight and narrow. It seems to me like a complete power trip that suddenly NPHET changes their whole tune the EXACT day he comes back.
It’s very ****ing clear.

GeorgeBailey · 05-10-2020 12:11PM

shmeee wrote: »

You have lost the plot!!

Go away and stop talking rot.

They will have to work long days to get the PUP, TWSS (EWSS) to people as quickly as possible again.

Boggles · 05-10-2020 12:11PM

Taking the 5 day averages at 5% growth per day.

15th - 750 daily cases

25th - 1200 daily cases

4th - 2000 daily cases

14th - 3200 daily cases

24th - 5200 daily cases

mohawk · 05-10-2020 12:11PM

pc7 wrote: »

They have to be seeing figures/stats we aren’t, but if they are it needs to be explained and communicated.
I’d hazard contact tracing is failing and if they can’t catch it they don’t know where it is. I just don’t think they’d go full Level5 without good reason.

Interesting point that the contact tracing is failing. If it is the reason they want Level 5 then they won’t come clean, because deep down they know they will be putting thousands out of work, shutting down many businesses forever because they messed up.

Cases will rise once a lockdown is lifted that is where contact tracing was too come into play and stop the spread and clusters.

What was done in last 7 months to allow us to ‘live’ with Covid? What is point in going into level 5 unless there is a plan to stop us going there again. I think most of us can handle some level of restrictions but many draw the line at closing every thing down.

GeorgeBailey · 05-10-2020 12:12PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

It’s quite clear what is after happening here. There should be no confusion.
Tony Holohan has/had absolutely zero confidence in Glynn. He decided to return and set us on the straight and narrow. It seems to me like a complete power trip that suddenly NPHET changes their whole tune the EXACT day he comes back.
It’s very ****ing clear.

Yeah very much looks like he's been watching things unfold from afar and decided he knows better.

statto25 · 05-10-2020 12:13PM

TexasTornado wrote: »

How'd the march go Saturday?

Cop on to yourself. To leak recommendations to the public on a Sunday night with the government still to even organise a cabinet meeting is reckless and downright stupid. Folks are up in arms and rightly so as its being managed so very badly

TexasTornado · 05-10-2020 12:14PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

The Journal poll has 37% against Level 5, 30% in favour and 25% for Level 4.

The Journal :pac:

Bunch of nut jobs on there. Have you ever read the comments section it's pure guff.

GooglePlus · 05-10-2020 12:15PM

GeorgeBailey wrote: »

Yeah very much looks like he's been watching things unfold from afar and decided he knows better.

He'd still be receiving the data as CMO, even if he was out on compassionate leave. I'm sure his ears were tuned to recent NPHET meetings knowing full well that he was due to return.

mohawk · 05-10-2020 12:15PM

froog wrote: »

the 5 level system needs to go.

there should be three levels;

1. GREEN - basic controls, masks, handwashing. all businesses open.
2. AMBER - stay in county, small amount of visitors, all businesses still open with control measures except pubs, no crowds at sporting events.
3. RED - total lockdown as per april, schools closed.

everywhere green until we get a vaccine. amber if cases are rising for a period of 3-5 consecutive days. RED if cases still rising two weeks after going AMBER.

no debating, no sub committees. the levels enforced immediately. everyone knows the criteria.

And what if the vaccine takes 18 - 24 months to be rolled out? As simple as your plan sounds how long will people stick by rules. Bare minimum there is six more months of restrictions ahead.

ACitizenErased · 05-10-2020 12:16PM

The whole leaking nonsense is ridiculous too btw, and its not just NPHET, the whole governments like a leaky old tap

froog · 05-10-2020 12:17PM

mohawk wrote: »

And what if the vaccine takes 18 - 24 months to be rolled out? As simple as your plan sounds how long will people stick by rules. Bare minimum there is six more months of restrictions ahead.

cross that bridge if/when it happens. right now vaccines are looking very promising.

titan18 · 05-10-2020 12:17PM

froog wrote: »

the 5 level system needs to go.

there should be three levels;

1. GREEN - basic controls, masks, handwashing. all businesses open.
2. AMBER - stay in county, small amount of visitors, all businesses still open with control measures except pubs, no crowds at sporting events.
3. RED - total lockdown as per april, schools closed.

everywhere green until we get a vaccine. amber if cases are rising for a period of 3-5 consecutive days. RED if cases still rising two weeks after going AMBER.

no debating, no sub committees. the levels enforced immediately. everyone knows the criteria.

Nearly everywhere would be Amber now and Red in two weeks tbf there.

Funsterdelux · 05-10-2020 12:18PM

froog wrote: »

the 5 level system needs to go.

there should be three levels;

1. GREEN - basic controls, masks, handwashing. all businesses open.
2. AMBER - stay in county, small amount of visitors, all businesses still open with control measures except pubs, no crowds at sporting events.
3. RED - total lockdown as per april, schools closed.

everywhere green until we get a vaccine. amber if cases are rising for a period of 3-5 consecutive days. RED if cases still rising two weeks after going AMBER.

no debating, no sub committees. the levels enforced immediately. everyone knows the criteria.

The FROOG has spoken

Boggles · 05-10-2020 12:18PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Great to see Tony coming back.

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I think NPHET have completely lost the public since Tony left, to be honest.

ACitizenErased wrote: »

It’s quite clear what is after happening here. There should be no confusion.
Tony Holohan has/had absolutely zero confidence in Glynn. He decided to return and set us on the straight and narrow. It seems to me like a complete power trip that suddenly NPHET changes their whole tune the EXACT day he comes back.
It’s very ****ing clear.

ixoy · 05-10-2020 12:22PM

NPHET's decisions - are they democratic or how does it work? For them to have such a huge shift between 3 days is obviously Tony's influence but is he not just one voice in the group? Is it not by consensus? Or can one voice just shout / veto everyone else?

ACitizenErased · 05-10-2020 12:22PM

Boggles wrote: »

I’ll be honest, fully convinced Tony would bring a calm and measured response.
Believe it or not, I have the courage to change my mind, unlike some.

Thomas.. · 05-10-2020 12:22PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The whole leaking nonsense is ridiculous too btw, and its not just NPHET, the whole governments like a leaky old tap

That's how governments operate in fairness

Leak first and legislate later

At least here and the UK

froog · 05-10-2020 12:23PM

statto25 wrote: »

Cop on to yourself. To leak recommendations to the public on a Sunday night with the government still to even organise a cabinet meeting is reckless and downright stupid. Folks are up in arms and rightly so as its being managed so very badly

it wasn't a leak afaik. a spokesperson told reporters after the meeting.

Thomas.. · 05-10-2020 12:24PM

froog wrote: »

the 5 level system needs to go.

there should be three levels;

1. GREEN - basic controls, masks, handwashing. all businesses open.
2. AMBER - stay in county, small amount of visitors, all businesses still open with control measures except pubs, no crowds at sporting events.
3. RED - total lockdown as per april, schools closed.

everywhere green until we get a vaccine. amber if cases are rising for a period of 3-5 consecutive days. RED if cases still rising two weeks after going AMBER.

no debating, no sub committees. the levels enforced immediately. everyone knows the criteria.

5 levels is like a child's bicycle with too many gears

eagle eye · 05-10-2020 12:24PM

ixoy wrote:

NPHET's decisions - are they democratic or how does it work? For them to have such a huge shift between 3 days is obviously Tony's influence but is he not just one voice in the group? Is it not by consensus? Or can one voice just shout / veto everyone else?

Maybe it's a case of them needing somebody who'll stand up to the government. Is there a possibility that our leaders were attempting to tell them what to do?

stephenjmcd · 05-10-2020 12:24PM

froog wrote: »

it wasn't a leak afaik. a spokesperson told reporters after the meeting.

No they didn't, NPHET doesn't comment to media.

The recommendations contained in the letter sent to gov were leaked to the media.

bb1234567 · 05-10-2020 12:25PM

Nearly 1 in every 200 people globally has been confirmed infected now..really mad to think isn't it

froog · 05-10-2020 12:25PM

Big T arriving at government buildings.

ACitizenErased · 05-10-2020 12:26PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Nearly 1 in every 200 people globally has been confirmed infected now..really mad to think isn't it

WHO believe 1 in 10 have had it.

TexasTornado · 05-10-2020 12:27PM

froog wrote: »

Big T arriving at government buildings.

He's back

blowitupref · 05-10-2020 12:27PM

Sardonicat wrote: »

Is it that some people do not have the capacity to project? Like toddlers they have to be told what to do because they struggle to grasp reality beyond what is directly in front of them and just like toddlers they tantrum when they can't do what they want because they can't see the danger in it.

The debate is on the need of jumping from level 2 to 5. Cut out the sly remarks like a good lad.

TexasTornado · 05-10-2020 12:28PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

WHO believe 1 in 10 have had it.

Confirmed > Believe

Funsterdelux · 05-10-2020 12:29PM

froog wrote: »

Big T arriving at government buildings.

What you cant see are the bite marks, he's definitely compromised

ACitizenErased · 05-10-2020 12:31PM

TexasTornado wrote: »

Confirmed > Believe

You realise testing has boundaries yes?

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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