Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings

JRant · 05-10-2020 08:46AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

How can any retail or hospitality business owner plan around this nonsense.

Do they purchase perishable stock knowing they can be shut down on a whim, do they roster staff?

It is criminal what the Government are allowing to happen. They have all but ceded power to a bunch of single-issue bureaucrats, which are now wagging the dog.

I predict they will move the country to Level 4 and pat themselves on the back for taking a 'balanced' approach.

There is very little difference between L4 and L5 anyway.

They've been saying that it takes 2/3 weeks to see any real change in numbers yet they've bounced counties around the levels at a whim with no justification given other than "concern".

Penfailed · 05-10-2020 08:47AM

greengrass88 wrote: »

Maybe I'm missing something but level 4 and level 5 look pretty much the same to me?

Pretty much apart from sports, bars, cafes and restaurants.

suicide_circus · 05-10-2020 08:50AM

Can non essential retwil businesses remain open in level 4?

Penfailed · 05-10-2020 08:55AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Can non essential retwil businesses remain open in level 4?

Yes. Level 5 too.

JRant · 05-10-2020 08:55AM

Penfailed wrote: »

Pretty much apart from sports, bars, cafes and restaurants.

Sports behind closed doors, only 15 people allowed outdoors in the others. With our weather they may as well be take away only like L5.

JRant · 05-10-2020 08:57AM

Here's a handy breakdown of the main guidelines for each level.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/covid19/living_with_covid19_plan.html

Dublin is already in a version of L4, just with gyms and leisure facilities allowed to remain open.

Ginger n Lemon · 05-10-2020 08:58AM

Wow. I dont remember so many posts in this thread in sucha short period of time.

Doctor death is back with a bang.

Also, NPHET. Nox (N) Penfailed (P). I am just joking

On a more serious note, what the f? Speechless. Every 1 I know are speechless. Absolutely no support for this nonsense.

Where are the scenes from northern Italy?

Where is 350 PUP?

Where are mortgage breaks?

With none of this being present, only a delusional fool would expect public's buy in.

Also - kudos to poster who posted about Chinese vaccine. There are 2 vaccines against covid that are used in China and Russia, and being exported to India, Morocco, Brazil. India ordered 100 million doses of Russian vaccine already.

Not that I agree with hysteria of stopping life and waiting for a vaccine against a disease that has 0.3% mortality.

drunkmonkey · 05-10-2020 09:02AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Can non essential retwil businesses remain open in level 4?

Not in level 4 or 5, essential retail only. Some can remain open at level 4 if outdoors or providing a service. It's in the government levels plan.

suicide_circus · 05-10-2020 09:04AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Not in level 4 or 5, essential retail only. Some can remain open at level 4 if outdoors or providing a service. It's in the government levels plan.

Are 100% sure of that?

paw patrol · 05-10-2020 09:05AM

normanoffside wrote: »

I'm generally a centre left voter but I really don't know where to go here.
No party is being sensible and I feel unable to associate with right wing loopers at protests but yet I want to protest.
This is seriously gonna mess up the status quo of politics.

I was at the protest there, most people there seemed a decent if disgruntled sort.

There were a few loons there tbh and right wing lads but they are the tiny minority and in fairness any protest will have odd balls attend.

That right wing accusation is just a smear campaign to keep people silent.
If you are annoyed enough you should show up - my only advice is to check who is organising . Last sat was health freedom ireland who are apolitical .

Ginger n Lemon · 05-10-2020 09:05AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Not in level 4 or 5, essential retail only. Some can remain open at level 4 if outdoors or providing a service. It's in the government levels plan.

I Wouldnt discuss any levels tbh. It will be level 4.22, with some extra shi* being closed based on recommendation than otherwise would be allowed to stay open.

Assetbacked · 05-10-2020 09:09AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Wow. I dont remember so many posts in this thread in sucha short period of time.

Doctor death is back with a bang.

Also, NPHET. Nox (N) Penfailed (P). I am just joking

On a more serious note, what the f? Speechless. Every 1 I know are speechless. Absolutely no support for this nonsense.

Where are the scenes from northern Italy?

Where is 350 PUP?

Where are mortgage breaks?

With none of this being present, only a delusional fool would expect public's buy in.

Don't forget travel and closing borders. Even just opting for an advisory this time is totally inadequate, with all the thing syou listed above, the borders have to be closed unless there is mandatory quarantining.

05-10-2020 09:13AM

Tony was always gonna be the one to come and break the news. I put this down to him being liked first time round and an element of having a sick wife and people not wanting to malign a man under such pressure and tragic family circumstance. It's bad really that he's allowing himself to be used in this regard. Basically nobody likes nor trust the weasel faced milky bar kid with the itchy trigger finger.

That said, I'll be surprised if this isn't the old, tell them it's level 5 country wide and they'll be grateful when we call it 4. This way the Gov looks like they're growing a pair, fighting NEPHET and yet still get heavier restrictions.

Ginger n Lemon · 05-10-2020 09:15AM

The Irish National Teachers Organisation (INTO) has demanded an immediate review of whether is it safe for Ireland's schools to stay open.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40059548.html

What an embarrassment. Why do they "demand" that? Are schools closed in any other EU countries?

05-10-2020 09:18AM

I think Sam McConkey is away with the fairies, he is definitely not in the real world. He spoke about Ireland becoming like New Zealand, the Faroe Islands and Guernsey...... all remote islands! They were the only examples he could suggest. The only country that had restrictions re-introduced like this were Israel based on a HUGE resurgence. Now he is on Newstalk talking about getting all students new Nokia phones that have higher levels of Bluetooth connectivity so they can know in school within seconds that they have contacted Covid!!

Dr Tony Holohan has returned. His wife is still terminally ill. He has been at home for months chomping at the bit listening to all the media reports and NPHET dialogue. He was impotent to do anything except perhaps offer advice, but he was effectively out of the picture. I think his perception is skewed because his wife is so ill. This is understandable but it is NOT being objective. I am not trying to be offensive or insensitive here but there is so much at stake for all of us right now!

I knew the MINUTE I heard Tony Holohan was returning that this would happen. He is back one day and WHAM! There is something very wrong here. He should not be running NPHET and the country while his personal situation is so critical. How can he be objective and balanced at a time like this? WHy do we suddenly have the strictest restrictions in the world bar Israel about to be introduced?

ThunbergsAreGo · 05-10-2020 09:18AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

The Irish National Teachers Organisation (INTO) has demanded an immediate review of whether is it safe for Ireland's schools to stay open.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40059548.html

What an embarrassment. Why do they "demand" that? Are schools closed in any other EU countries?

100% correct to do this.

If its not safe for people to shop or visit homes (according to NPHET), how is it ok for 30 people to be in a small room for hours every day, many of whom are not using any masks etc.?

JeffKenna · 05-10-2020 09:20AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

The Irish National Teachers Organisation (INTO) has demanded an immediate review of whether is it safe for Ireland's schools to stay open.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40059548.html

What an embarrassment. Why do they "demand" that? Are schools closed in any other EU countries?

I can see their point. Why is it safe for schools to stay open in Level 5 but everything else isn't.

Ginger n Lemon · 05-10-2020 09:24AM

JeffKenna wrote: »

I can see their point. Why is it safe for schools to stay open in Level 5 but everything else isn't.

Its a bit like why does Aldi and Lidl stay open in level 5 while TKmaxx etc. close (presumably).

If we become first EU country to close schools this winter, I mean we are just getting all sorts of world records under our belt.

As to why its safe or not safe, well children are affected substantially less, should they get covid they also recover substantially quicker. While teachers dont actually hug or take children up on their arms or anything like that, in fact they are always 3 - 5 metres away from them.

Compare this with a poor Aldi cashier who while does have some plastic barriers, handles tons of food and deals with hundreds of people per day in close proximity. Amazingly enough - no clusters reported in Aldi. Or Lidls. Or Tescos. But teachers? Ohhh lets do a full review whether it is safe.

_Kaiser_ · 05-10-2020 09:27AM

Pat Kenny seems to be mad keen for fines and sanctioning people here on NT today. I think maybe he feels a bit vulnerable himself? His current guest (Jim O'Callaghan) at least trying to talk sense.

05-10-2020 09:29AM

For whatever reasons, the government and NPHET clearly don’t want to give us the full picture.

We’ve had cases rising and rising since late July. How many people are actually sick though? Only 134 in hospital and 21 in ICU. Death rate is tiny.

People need to stop thinking that a positive swab = a sick person. Most have either no symptoms at all or extremely mild.

I don’t buy into conspiracies. I don’t believe the government or NPHET have any kind of motive. They are just inept and super conservative. Easier to just crash the country and blame Covid than actually do something.

If we put the politicians and NPHET on 300 a week, we’d quickly see how severe Covid really is. I imagine it would quickly become very easy for them to share how many people have no symptoms at all.

FintanMcluskey · 05-10-2020 09:29AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Pat Kenny seems to be mad keen for fines and sanctioning people here on NT today. I think maybe he feels a bit vulnerable himself? His current guest (Jim O'Callaghan) at least trying to talk sense.

He is all in favour of a police state, he is a ranting lunatic who really should cocoon.

Jim O Callaghan is his rather balanced guest.

FintanMcluskey · 05-10-2020 09:31AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Can non essential retwil businesses remain open in level 4?

Penfailed wrote: »

Yes. Level 5 too.

This is confusing.

If you can only leave your home for essential reasons, why would non essential retail be open

05-10-2020 09:31AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Pat Kenny seems to be mad keen for fines and sanctioning people here on NT today. I think maybe he feels a bit vulnerable himself? His current guest (Jim O'Callaghan) at least trying to talk sense.

Has he been on about the joggers and cyclists and their 'plumes' again ?

Ginger n Lemon · 05-10-2020 09:33AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

This is confusing.

If you can only leave your home for easential reasons, why would non essential retail be open

Fintan, has anything coming out of NPHET ever been clear and concise?

Are you re doubling your efforts btw? :pac:

_Kaiser_ · 05-10-2020 09:33AM

Deleted User wrote: »

For whatever reasons, the government and NPHET clearly don’t want to give us the full picture.

We’ve had cases rising and rising since late July. How many people are actually sick though? Only 134 in hospital and 21 in ICU. Death rate is tiny.

People need to stop thinking that a positive swab = a sick person. Most have either no symptoms at all or extremely mild.

I don’t buy into conspiracies. I don’t believe the government or NPHET have any kind of motive. They are just inept and super conservative. Easier to just crash the country and blame Covid than actually do something.

If we put the politicians and NPHET on 300 a week, we’d quickly see how severe Covid really is. I imagine it would quickly become very easy for them to share how many people have no symptoms at all.

It's pretty obvious why this is Jac - the Government/HSE have squandered the time bought in the late spring/summer by falling numbers that they should have been using to build up capacity in the system for the autumn/winter.

Instead, the healthcare system is the same shambles it is every winter and so they're panicking that they won't be able to handler even a modest CV-19 demand on top of the usual winter demands.

Thus, better to blame students, people gathering at home, protesters.. anyone except themselves!

05-10-2020 09:36AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Pat Kenny seems to be mad keen for fines and sanctioning people here on NT today. I think maybe he feels a bit vulnerable himself? His current guest (Jim O'Callaghan) at least trying to talk sense.

............as opposed to a total Level 5 lockdown!! That is the point he is trying to make! Compliance with regulations must be enforced, otherwise its a joke from Day 1.

Why punish the entire country, every single county, every little pocket, every offshore island, every boreen just because people in cities and kids starting university are partying!??

drunkmonkey · 05-10-2020 09:36AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Are 100% sure of that?

100% here's the 5 level plan https://assets.gov.ie/87604/405b1065-055a-4ca8-9513-390ce5298b10.pdf

FintanMcluskey · 05-10-2020 09:45AM

Is there a correlation between mask wearing and low case numbers?

setanta1984 · 05-10-2020 09:45AM

Penfailed wrote: »

Yes. Level 5 too.

This is outright FALSE, all non-essential retail is shut from level 5 - why you are stating the above as fact? Just wishing to downplay such a move? joke. People will see that and believe it.

https://assets.gov.ie/87604/405b1065-055a-4ca8-9513-390ce5298b10.pdf

_Kaiser_ · 05-10-2020 09:45AM

Deleted User wrote: »

............as opposed to a total Level 5 lockdown!! That is the point he is trying to make! Why punish the entire country, every single county, every little pocket, every offshore island, every boreen just because people in cities and kids starting university are partying!?? Its completely unfair and heavy handed!

Neither Level 5 (point whatever!) nor fines are needed to sanction the overwhelming majority of people who are not at any real risk from this thing.

Those who are need to protect themselves, up to and including cocooning if their own situation warrants it. The rest of the population need to be let get on with things with as little interference as possible.

The damage to the economy, personal circumstances, mental health and indeed society as a whole (given the divisive impact this topic is having) is already bad enough without making things worse because those in charge are covering their mistakes or fearful because they (or those close to them) are in that most vulnerable group.

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings