Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

Kermit.de.frog · 05-10-2020 12:53AM

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

If they go against the recommendations their careers will be over, it's highly unlikely that they will not follow NPHET. It's just a formality.

It seems to me the maximum restrictions are inevitable anyway, its just a question of timing.

The government would leave themselves extremely vulnerable if they don't take advice and subsequently cases and hospitalisations soar in the coming weeks. It would be a disaster for them.

Is it better to apply the breaks completely now and go to level 5 or drag the whole thing out with half assed measures prolonging the pain?

I think most would prefer the sharper but much shorter correction.

MrMusician18 · 05-10-2020 12:54AM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Guidelines aren't law and we all have the right to make our voices heard in a democracy.

Does that break your poor little heart?

Freedom of speech?

The collective effort to leave people in poverty led by the the six figure per annum brigade?

Take your hatred of democracy elsewhere.

But I guess you'd rather the country listens to an idiot like Martin who was a senior government minister when FF and the Greens told us we were getting the cheapest bailout in history.

And there's Varadkar beside him. Do you remember what Varadkar said about Martin a few months ago? "Putting him back in charge would be like putting John Delaney back in control of the FAI".

And there's Varadkar pulling what 200 grand a year, standing beside him, backing him up.

And the country is full of idiots who think this is all grand.

People are dying and suffering because of covid, but the data clearly shows it's not the problem we thought it was in March.

You asked how did you fail and I showed that you've not only been pulling in the opposite direction to the common good but worse, encouraging others to do the same. Go away with your "democracy" bs, you care nothing for democracy or society, the majority support the restrictions. You're just another social arsonist, a crank.

And the rest of your post, whataboutery. The virus cares nothing for Martin's politicking or varadkars wages, it just wants to spread and is doing a fine job with your assistance.

"The country full of idiots who think this is all grand", irony alert.

Gradius · 05-10-2020 12:54AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Plan for what, closing the border?

Plan for actually saving the country from rack and ruin. What is it?

Mine is to isolate the country. It will work. It will be difficult. But it will work.

So what's your plan?

jammiedodgers · 05-10-2020 12:54AM

dockysher wrote: »

Only 81 days to Christmas ☺️

That's only 1.5 lockdowns away! :eek:

dockysher · 05-10-2020 12:54AM

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

Christmas is cancelled. The pandemic won't be over until March.

Fake

Hand in Your Pants · 05-10-2020 12:55AM

Zebra3 wrote: »

How will the casedemic be over by March?

Easter is the new Christmas.

Scuid Mhór · 05-10-2020 12:55AM

Between last night and this evening, I don’t think I’ve ever felt a worse vibe from the national discourse. At least in March/April, there was a national spirit in beating this thing.

Keep cool but care, everyone. Every day is one day closer to a vaccine. Let’s do our part now so that we don’t suffer adverse consequences later.

Doctors room ghost · 05-10-2020 12:55AM

Santy is in the vulnerable age bracket so no Christmas this year.
He will be told to stay the fcuk at home.

Gradius · 05-10-2020 12:56AM

Zebra3 wrote: »

How will the casedemic be over by March?

By magic.

You see, if we collectively duck and dive solutions while watching the country die more each day, March will arrive.

And thats the plan.

patnor1011 · 05-10-2020 12:57AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Genuinely have no idea what this means.

At this time of the night, it is probably one too many of substantial meals taken.

Plumbthedepths · 05-10-2020 12:57AM

Gradius wrote: »

Plan for actually saving the country from rack and ruin. What is it?

Mine is to isolate the country. It will work. It will be difficult. But it will work.

So what's your plan?

Isolate the country, that's a genius suggestion can't see any adverse problems. Kindly make M Martin aware of it . However please don't get offended though if you are told to cop on and f**k off.

Atlantic Dawn · 05-10-2020 12:58AM

Can we have a referendum from the over 70's if they want to live under the Iron Curtain with no quality of life for their final years or take risks and have a life?

Wolf359f · 05-10-2020 12:58AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Evidence please.

I'd ask you for evidence of the fact visitors brought covid into nursing homes as you made the statement first, however, I know you can't provide it.

HeyV · 05-10-2020 12:59AM

https://twitter.com/bnodesk/status/1312865974320877568?s=21

This can’t be real, can it?

Doctors room ghost · 05-10-2020 12:59AM

What time will leos lord of the rings poem be broadcast tomorrow.
Need to know so I can be as far away from the fcukin tv as possible.

Miike · 05-10-2020 12:59AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It seems to me the maximum restrictions are inevitable anyway, its just a question of timing.

The government would leave themselves extremely vulnerable if they don't take advice and subsequently cases and hospitalisations soar in the coming weeks. It would be a disaster for them.

Is it better to apply the breaks completely now and go to level 5 or drag the whole thing out with half assed measures prolonging the pain?

I think most would prefer the sharper but much shorter correction.

Very much agree with what you've said. I would like to see us take things quite serious now, while we have the opportunity. The lower we can keep cases prior to onset of peak flu season the better off our health services and the general health of the population. It's hard to explain the tension felt in the health services and among colleagues when the topic of covid and flu season crops up. If we speed into a flu season with high prevalence of COVID circulating in the community - We are goosed.

Zebra3 · 05-10-2020 12:59AM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

You asked how did you fail and I showed that you've not only been pulling in the opposite direction to the common good but worse, encouraging others to do the same. Go away with your "democracy" bs, you care nothing for democracy or society, the majority support the restrictions. You're just another social arsonist, a crank.

And the rest of your post, whataboutery. The virus cares nothing for Martin's politicking or varadkars wages, it just wants to spread and is doing a fine job with your assistance.

"The country full of idiots who think this is all grand", irony alert.

The common good?

The virus is a threat to a very, very small minority of people in the state.

And we have thrown a huge number of people out of work, potentially closed down a vast number of businesses for good, pushed cancer screenings out by a year among a whole host of problems.

But here you are virtue signalling.

Despite the fantasies of so many headcases on here, it's not 1918.

"Go away with your democracy". Yeah, that sums you up all right. To hell with people's rights.

Gradius · 05-10-2020 12:59AM

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

Between last night and this evening, I don’t think I’ve ever felt a worse vibe from the national discourse. At least in March/April, there was a national spirit in beating this thing.

Keep cool but care, everyone. Every day is one day closer to a vaccine. Let’s do our part now so that we don’t suffer adverse consequences later.

The hail mary vaccine that may or may not arrive is not something I'd be planning on.

The fact of the matter is that goodwill was squandered through ineffective strategy, and now the real battle begins as the cycle sets in

People rebel against government, government increases measures in retaliation, people rebel even more in retaliation, government responds in kind. Predictable.

Green Peter · 05-10-2020 01:00AM

The scrotes in dublin can control themselves so the rest of us in the country have to go into lockdown. That's leadership and common sense. The government have lost it from here. I've supported all measures to date but not from. Now on.

FintanMcluskey · 05-10-2020 01:00AM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Can we have a referendum from the over 70's if they want to live under the Iron Curtain with no quality of life for their final years or take risks and have a life?

This must be the most valid post tonight.

For those over 70, healthy enough not to be in a care home or obese, its not a death sentence.

A vaccine could still be years away

patnor1011 · 05-10-2020 01:00AM

Gradius wrote: »

Do you know how to build a rocket to get people to the moon?

No? Guess it's impossible then.

Closing a border is not rocket science, and people asking for the number of soldiers required will STILL not make it impossible.

It's all excuses to avoid solutions that work. You either want to get rid of this thing or you want to complain about the difficulty of it. It's one or the other, but I know which one has a positive outcome.

lol seriously now. How long do we have to keep it closed? Like forever? You know, other countries will not do that so virus get to us the moment we open them again. This kind of thinking is naive to put it mildly.

Gradius · 05-10-2020 01:00AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Isolate the country, that's a genius suggestion can't see any adverse problems. Kindly make M Martin aware of it . However please don't get offended though if you are told to cop on and f**k off.

So what's your plan?

Plumbthedepths · 05-10-2020 01:00AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

I'd ask you for evidence of the fact visitors brought covid into nursing homes as you made the statement first, however, I know you can't provide it.

I didn't say visitors brought it in . I said Holohan castigated nursing homes for restricting visitors. You need to read what is in front of you.

Plumbthedepths · 05-10-2020 01:02AM

Gradius wrote: »

So what's your plan?

Learn to live alongside the virus it ain't going anywhere.

Zebra3 · 05-10-2020 01:02AM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Can we have a referendum from the over 70's if they want to live under the Iron Curtain with no quality of life for their final years or take risks and have a life?

No need to.

Loads of nutters on here speaking on their behalf without ever asking them their opinion.

"Oh you want to lock away the vulnerable, you selfish, selfish man".

Yeh cos they're out fucking hand gliding and down the pub knocking back pints galore atm. :rolleyes:

Rambling Man · 05-10-2020 01:03AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

I'd ask you for evidence of the fact visitors brought covid into nursing homes as you made the statement first, however, I know you can't provide it.

Asymptomatic spread wasn’t invented in September, so I’d be rather confident staff and visitors alike unwittingly infected those poor souls in Nursing Homes in March and April.

Gradius · 05-10-2020 01:03AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

lol seriously now. How long do we have to keep it closed? Like forever? You know, other countries will not do that so virus get to us the moment we open them again. This kind of thinking is naive to put it mildly.

Do you want to wear masks the rest of your life in a ruined economy and fear every winter of dying?

Or rather, at least, be able to live normally in one country with a reduced economy?

That's the choice on the horizon.

Hand in Your Pants · 05-10-2020 01:03AM

My plan - fine anyone found walking a highland terrier 45 euro. Fine any single men out jogging after 11PM 82 euro. Restrict all foreign travel to Namibia. Provide free masks for visor users, and free visors for mask users. Pubs can open but only serve sausages and non alcoholic and sugar free beverages. Offices must be kept at 5 °F.

Strumms · 05-10-2020 01:03AM

Zebra3 wrote: »

The common good?

The virus is a threat to a very, very small minority of people in the state.

And we have thrown a huge number of people out of work, potentially closed down a vast number of businesses for good, pushed cancer screenings out by a year among a whole host of problems.

But here you are virtue signalling.

Despite the fantasies of so many headcases on here, it's not 1918.

"Go away with your democracy". Yeah, that sums you up all right. To hell with people's rights.

People have the right be be healthy and alive. It’s the outright shîtyy needy, greedy behavior of ‘some’ but enough people that has us staring at another lockdown.

Irish Steve · 05-10-2020 01:03AM

Not even sure it's worth posting in this thread any more, down the tubes isn't even close with some of the garbage that's been showing up over the last couple of hours, but having thought about it for a while while trying to catch up with the news from today, I am going to put my thoughts out there, and I'm well aware that there are a number of people who won't like it, but as far as I can see, they are a vocal minority that need to cop on to themselves.

If it was only Ireland that was in trouble, they might have a little bit of credibility, but looking at what's coming out across the news this evening, it's very clear that a whole collection of countries are making changes to try and get things back under control. It would make a change for Ireland to be leading the process rather than following a dismal 9th or 10th in the line.

So, we went out for the day, for the first time in a long time, and came home to the news that NEPHET are seriously worried by what they are seeing across the country, and it looks like there are major issues in a number of other countries as well.

We were visiting family members for only the second time in 8 months, looks like it was a good thing to do today, as we may not get the chance again for some time to come.

Level 1 to 5, realistically, I don't really care about the numbers, and for sure the virus doesn't, it only wants one thing, victims who are vulnerable.

So, how do we stop it.

We have to make it clear that for the next period of time, NO visiting means NO visiting, indoors or outdoors, no exceptions other than for compassoionate grounds. Hard, very hard, but the alternatives are in many cases even harder.

We need to find a way to persuade the 13 to 45 year old age group that they have to wear masks in all the locations they go to, other than their own homes.

We have to persuade the school kids amd students over 13 that masks are not optional, they have to really socially separate even when they're walking to and from school, and at school other than when they are actually eating, and getting on the school bus and taking their masks off when they're seated and the driver can't see them is not cool.

That same age group also have to be educated about their socialising outside of the formal school environment, which to reduce the transmission of this virus means masks, social separation and hand washing/sanitising, and simple things like NOT sharing mobile phones around the group to watch the latest tiktok video.

Social separation means what it says, and that includes hanging around outside McDonalds and the like, groups of 15 to 20 teens that can be contained in a 5 metre diameter circle is NOT social separation.

Restaurants, pubs and clubs are unfortunately a luxury we can't deal with right now, and visors on waiting staff have only added to the problem by directing breath at seated customers. Takeaway and delivery are the only viable options for now.

All team sports and the like are also bad news right now, as the response to a team winning has been clearly seen, and it's not helping the situation.

We urgently need a reliable fast test, which seems to be a problem right now.

Contact tracing seems to be a problem, and needs dedicated resourcing, and not by taking people away from other essential services especially health service professionals from disciplines like speech therapy and the like.

We need a better level of information from NEPHET and Government so that we have the real figures, rather than spin and obfuscation.

We need to see and hear a very clear message from politicians and the like that the rules apply to them too, and anyone that thinks differently needs to have signifcant sanction applied to them.

The HSE needs to be told to get it's house in order, and sort out the mess that they have made of recruiting qualified nurses who returned to Ireland in February and are still waiting to get a job offer, and making sure that there are an appropriate number of beds available in the system.

We need a very clear plan for testing incoming visitors to Ireland, and no negative test, either before travel or here means no admittance, even for essential travel.

The message has to be got out there loud and clear, the world is dealing with a pandemic that is unlike any other that has been seen in close on 100 years, and dealing with it means that there are a number of aspects of life as we knew it that have to change until either there is a vaccine to prevent the spread of the virus, or effective treatments that limit the damage and deaths become established.

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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