Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

04-10-2020 07:46PM

440Hertz wrote: »

Hard to predict until we start seeing evidence of what it’s doing. The virus could go lots of ways. It doesn’t have an aim to make us sick. It just wants to reproduce. Out being sick or killed by it just collateral damage.

The ideal situation for any virus is where it lives almost symbiotically with a host and you don’t even notice it. It gets on with being a virus. You get on with being a human.

Sounds good. Why is this virus so angry then?

WoollyRedHat · 04-10-2020 07:47PM

Jesus I can't believe some people are having to point out that if the virus doesn't have as many host's to infect, it will slow the spread. We've jumped the shark.

stephenjmcd · 04-10-2020 07:48PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

That's the joys of running a business during a global pandemic. Business comes and goes, life moves on. Everyone has their story but nobody is waiting around long enough to listen, that's life.

Quite a heartless approach if im being honest.

GooglePlus · 04-10-2020 07:48PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Just on this, I'd love to see a plan in place to basically allow for any business that fails as a result of the pandemic restrictions to be given the opportunity to get significant state support and finance at some point in the future should the owners wish to try again once all of this settles. Essentially provide them with small business welfare and debt relief. Not sure how this would fit in with EU law but the recovery plan has to be more complex than the blunt austerity instruments we saw during the financial crisis.

If you're all for that kind of a scheme you need to be all for the taxes that come about as a result. State intervention means we intervene as a whole.

TexasTornado · 04-10-2020 07:49PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Quite a heartless approach if im being honest.

Jobs come and go. You only get one life.

ginoginelli · 04-10-2020 07:49PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Do you believe in that case having restrictions is futile?

Worryingly that seems to be what he is intimating. Unfortunately there is a significant section of the cognitively challenged,
"dunning kruger syndrome sufferers" in this country that cant grasp the basics of stopping the spread.

iamwhoiam · 04-10-2020 07:50PM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Jesus I can't believe some people are having to point out that if the virus doesn't have as many host's to infect, it will slow the spread. We've jumped the shark.

I was a bit taken aback at that too . A virus needs a new host within its reach and that’s a fact .

GazzaL · 04-10-2020 07:50PM

TexasTornado wrote: »

Jobs come and go. You only get one life.

I'd rather enjoy life than be locked up by a bunch of incompetent clowns.

OscarMIlde · 04-10-2020 07:51PM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Jesus I can't believe some people are having to point out that if the virus doesn't have as many host's to infect when it's transmitting, it will slow the spread. We've jumped the shark.

Especially someone who is regarded as a font of wisdom by some.

froog · 04-10-2020 07:51PM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Jesus I can't believe some people are having to point out that if the virus doesn't have as many host's to infect when it's transmitting, it will slow the spread. We've jumped the shark.

the amount of pure ignorance of this thing when it's had blanket media coverage for nearly 8 months now is pretty staggering.

michaelm · 04-10-2020 07:52PM

I totally agree. For my own sanity I'm trying to take the most optimisic view here. I like how there appears to be increasing confidence that a vaccine could be rolled out from early spring making this pretty much the half way point. Given that so much has been learned in the last 7 months here's hoping we will be playing downhill and with the wind in the second half!

GooglePlus · 04-10-2020 07:52PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Quite a heartless approach if im being honest.

Well it's that same approach that allows you the life you live today. It's that same approach that has us walking on two feet. Life is about forward movement and the ability to adapt to change.

04-10-2020 07:53PM

JPCN1 wrote: »

It dies when people are not allowed to enjoy hospitality.

The fact that there may be people to take the place of businesses that have failed will be of scant comfort to those people who have lost their livelihoods and the further reaching consequences for them.

People are confusing the nature of this crisis though, we are not seeing demand falling naturally like in other economic downturns, we are seeing a temporary artificial and forced suppression of demand. The economic answer isn't to open things up at the expense of our Health Service, it's to provide economic life support (money) to businesses and employees. This can be done through money creation (debt). This tool has been used before in the form of quantitative easing but it now needs to go directly to ordinary people and businesses, not how it has been used before to prop up large institutions that has mostly just created asset bubbles.

stephenjmcd · 04-10-2020 07:57PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

Well it's that same approach that allows you the life you live today. It's that same approach that has us walking on two feet. Life is about forward movement and the ability to adapt to change.

And by putting 50k out of work if not more. Gotcha

manniot2 · 04-10-2020 07:58PM

michaelm wrote: »

I totally agree. For my own sanity I'm trying to take the most optimisic view here. I like how there appears to be increasing confidence that a vaccine could be rolled out from early spring making this pretty much the half way point. Given that so much has been learned in the last 7 months here's hoping we will be playing downhill and with the wind in the second half!

Sorry to reign in the optimism but do u really think it will be a case of ‘vaccine is here back to normal’. It will still go on for months and months after that. If we continue with restrictions it’s for at least another year,people need to realise they are being strung along.

GooglePlus · 04-10-2020 07:58PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

And by putting 50k out of work if not more. Gotcha

I wouldn't expect you to see a wider picture.

04-10-2020 07:58PM

Deleted User wrote: »

People are confusing the nature of this crisis though, we are not seeing demand falling naturally like in other economic downturns, we are seeing a temporary artificial and forced suppression of demand. The economic answer isn't to open things up at the expense of our Health Service, it's to provide economic life support (money) to businesses and employees. This can be done through money creation (debt). This tool has been used before in the form of quantitative easing but it now needs to go directly to ordinary people and businesses, not how it has been used before to prop up large institutions that has mostly just created asset bubbles.

I agree. My take is the hse has to survive and expand as best it can throughout this. What followed after 1918 pandemic. Roaring twenties. I predict when this is over there will be a serious demand led economic expansion. Until then we survive. Miserable as it sounds. Hospitiality will be alot smaller when this is over.

UrbanFret · 04-10-2020 08:00PM

Here an example if why it's spreading. There's an arsehole in town who was referred for a test on Wednesday because he had a cough and feeling unwell ( he has his dole drank at this stage). He hasnt gone yet nor will he. He has been refused entry to all the pubs in town so he dodges over to the supermarket for a carry out. You guessed it no mask either and he attended a funeral on Friday just for good measure. We have no fking chance.

spookwoman · 04-10-2020 08:01PM

Todays report gov.ie report is full of errors on their site.

normanoffside · 04-10-2020 08:01PM

Get to the pub tonight v=countryfolk.

Last chance saloon.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/entire-country-set-to-face-tighter-covid-19-controls-with-all-counties-poised-to-be-placed-under-level-3-restrictions-39587101.html

stephenjmcd · 04-10-2020 08:01PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

I wouldn't expect you to see a wider picture.

Thanks for that. I do indeed see the wider picture. No need to get personal here because you disagree with a viewpoint, I've not got personal with you, simple discussion but you resort to sly digs

wowzer · 04-10-2020 08:01PM

OscarMIlde wrote: »

Especially someone who is regarded as a font of wisdom by some.

Nothing more than a WUM these days.

TexasTornado · 04-10-2020 08:02PM

GazzaL wrote: »

I'd rather enjoy life than be locked up by a bunch of incompetent clowns.

The majority of countries in the world are struggling with this. Are they all incompetent?

04-10-2020 08:03PM

UrbanFret wrote: »

Here an example if why it's spreading. There's an arsehole in town who was referred for a test on Wednesday because he had a cough and feeling unwell ( he has his dole drank at this stage). He hasnt gone yet nor will he. He has been refused entry to all the pubs in town so he dodges over to the supermarket for a carry out. You guessed it no mask either and he attended a funeral on Friday just for good measure. We have no fking chance.

Exactly. Your relying on everyone make good decisions. There does seem to be a seasonality to this though. Stricter lockdown needed until we are over this peak.

TexasTornado · 04-10-2020 08:04PM

froog wrote: »

the amount of pure ignorance of this thing when it's had blanket media coverage for nearly 8 months now is pretty staggering.

Plenty examples of it on here.

Like they've left their brains in bed.

Danzy · 04-10-2020 08:04PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I agree. My take is the hse has to survive and expand as best it can throughout this. What followed after 1918 pandemic. Roaring twenties. I predict when this is over there will be a serious demand led economic expansion. Until then we survive. Miserable as it sounds. Hospitiality will be alot smaller when this is over.

There is a wall of savings building already here, 19bn saved in household savings since March, this is being replicated all over Europe.

One could safely guess another 15bn being saved by next May.

The wall of money that will be there next Summer is truly incredible.

GazzaL · 04-10-2020 08:05PM

NPHET repeatedly failed to hit testing and contact tracing targets, which they set themselves. They failed to present simple, consistent messaging and lost the general public as a result. We've already paid the price for their failures.

04-10-2020 08:06PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Get to the pub tonight v=countryfolk.

Last chance saloon.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/entire-country-set-to-face-tighter-covid-19-controls-with-all-counties-poised-to-be-placed-under-level-3-restrictions-39587101.html

Sounds sensible to all move to level 3. With donegal then able to move to 4.

GooglePlus · 04-10-2020 08:08PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Thanks for that. I do indeed see the wider picture. No need to get personal here because you disagree with a viewpoint, I've not got personal with you, simple discussion but you resort to sly digs

That wasn't a sly dig. I don't expect you to see a wider picture when you're focused on such a microcosm of issues. You don't seem to see the wider picture at all because if you did, you wouldn't be so hung up on Ireland's hospitality sector when something at the scale of a global pandemic is happening around you.

04-10-2020 08:09PM

GazzaL wrote: »

NPHET repeatedly failed to hit testing and contact tracing targets, which they set themselves. They failed to present simple, consistent messaging and lost the general public as a result. We've already paid the price for their failures.

It's a second wave that's happening all over Europe. Buckle up for the next month or so I'm afraid.

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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