Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

is_that_so · 04-10-2020 06:40PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Not once have i said close schools, but please continue your tirade. A blended hybrid approach is the way to keep schools safe and open in the current climate.

But screw everyone who might have someone very high risk at home but has to either work or study in a completely unsafe environment so that mommy and daddy can get a break from the kids.

Sure, we can also set up instant broadband for that too. Levels of safety are subject to both personal perceptions and the input and efforts of those tasked to make them safe. We really cannot hide away from this ,just ensure our behaviour is as good as it can be to mitigate possible risks to others.

Gael23 · 04-10-2020 06:41PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

I don't think the govt will agree to the whole State as level 4. Dublin moving there will be an economic disaster. But NPHET will be keen.

I wonder whether the plan will be adjusted to allow three levels in place across the country. This would allow Donegal to move to L.4, Dublin to stay at Level 3 for now (perhaps with a few companions) and others with lower numbers to stay at Level 2.

Dublin appears to be stabilising

Russman · 04-10-2020 06:41PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

No you’re suggesting screw everyone for those who are at high risk. Are you aware some people in the situation you just mentioned are being home schooled and have made arrangements with the school? Under no circumstances should that mean the whole education is held to ransom. The posts referring to parents wanting a break is pretty shameful and a common theme on this thread. Would make you wonder what type of profile many of the posters on this thread have...
These parents have been trying to work & educate their children throughout the lockdown at the same time. Many found this highly stressful and felt they were failing at both. Children need school, education, and socialising. Blended learning is useless - they’re in for 1/2 days getting started and then off again while parents who no longer have mortgage breaks from banks now have to work uninterrupted. It should only be used as a last resort.

At what point does last resort kick in though ? When/if the ICUs are actually full ?
I’m not saying close the schools yet but the contribution of opening them to the spread has to be part of the conversation. Nothing should be off the table.

is_that_so · 04-10-2020 06:41PM

Russman wrote: »

It’s almost like all the levels and restrictions and opinions aren't worth a f-ck and it’s down to peoples’ individual behaviour to stop the spread........

It's always been up to us but they really don't want us back in March again.

04-10-2020 06:41PM

Does anyone truely believe we will be going down levels including Dublin? You look around Europe and we are in the midst of the second wave. To ensure hospitals are not over run restrictions are only going to go one way until this wave is over. Restrictions will ease when peak is over and cases fall.

Incidently we were told early on first peak was mid April. When will second wave peak here? France/Spain seem to have peaked. Spain especially looks over worst of cases. Deaths now to follow.

brookers · 04-10-2020 06:42PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

No you’re suggesting screw everyone for those who are at high risk. Are you aware some people in the situation you just mentioned are being home schooled and have made arrangements with the school? Under no circumstances should that mean the whole education is held to ransom. The posts referring to parents wanting a break is pretty shameful and a common theme on this thread. Would make you wonder what type of profile many of the posters on this thread have...
These parents have been trying to work & educate their children throughout the lockdown at the same time. Many found this highly stressful and felt they were failing at both. Children need school, education, and socialising. Blended learning is useless - they’re in for 1/2 days getting started and then off again while parents who no longer have mortgage breaks from banks now have to work uninterrupted. It should only be used as a last resort.

Are you not getting child care though mixed up with education, if you had child care for the children when you are working would that ease the burden and you wouldnt feel as much stress....i think this is one of the most unfair aspects of it all, teachers get a hammering for caring about their own health and that of their students because there is no place for the children to go if the parents are working.

iamwhoiam · 04-10-2020 06:42PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

I didn't have contempt for any group of people, fact of the matter is there are people that use education as nothing but a babysitting tool and that just isn't good enough currently. At post primary there is no reason a hybrid approach couldn't have been taken to keep schools open safely with reduced numbers.

Of course you expressed contempt for parents . You said the schools remain open so “ the mommies and daddies “ can get a break .
Forgetting completely that their are parents reading this who want an education for their children first and foremost
For generations the school calendar has allowed parents ( mostly women ) to return to the work force . Many parents work around the timetable to work and pay the mortgage . Many are working in low paid jobs so they can keep their head above water and educate their children .
How dare anyone in education look down their nose and parents
My mother worked around the school time table , I worked around the school time table and my daughter works around it now . Don’t you for one minute presume any of us used a school as a baby sitter
Its a despicable accusation to make about anyone.
By all means make your point about blended learning and the protection of the vulnerable without using parents as your punching ball

Icyseanfitz · 04-10-2020 06:43PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Sure, we can also set up instant broadband for that too. Levels of safety are subject to both personal perceptions and the input and efforts of those tasked to make them safe. We really cannot hide away from this ,just ensure our behaviour is as good as it can be to mitigate possible risks to others.

Well everything being asked of people to keep safe (SD, less contacts etc) is completely out the window in schools at the moment, how do you suggest we "keep safe"?

Mexico are using their tv and radio broadcasting for schooling at the moment, no broadband required, or you know one week on one week off work all homework on the week off is another blended approach, if theres a will theres a way

is_that_so · 04-10-2020 06:44PM

Russman wrote: »

At what point does last resort kick in though ? When/if the ICUs are actually full ?
I’m not saying close the schools yet but the contribution of opening them to the spread has to be part of the conversation. Nothing should be off the table.

There is a contingency plan to increase ICU capacity if needed.

Icyseanfitz · 04-10-2020 06:47PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Of course you expressed contempt for parents . You said the schools remain open so “ the mommies and daddies “ can get a break .
Forgetting completely that their are parents reading this who want an education for their children first and foremost
For generations the school calendar has allowed parents ( mostly women ) to return to the work force . Many parents work around the timetable to work and pay the mortgage . Many are working in low paid jobs so they can keep their head above water and educate their children .
How dare anyone in education look down their nose and parents
My mother worked around the school time table , I worked around the school time table and my daughter works around it now . Don’t you for one minute presume any of us used a school as a baby sitter
Its a despicable accusation to make about anyone

Again Schools are not childcare so a person's working arrangements are their own, And no i have no contempt for anyone in life.

Education is of incredible importance, health and safety of students and staff and their extended families is of greater importance.

is_that_so · 04-10-2020 06:48PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Well everything being asked of people to keep safe (SD, less contacts etc) is completely out the window in schools at the moment, how do you suggest we "keep safe"?

Mexico are using their tv and radio broadcasting for schooling at the moment, no broad based required, or you know one week on one week off work all homework on the week off is another blended approach, if theres a will theres a way

It's really not where it's spreading - it's adults behaving badly in social situations. TV stuff is not blended learning, it's watching TV and a temporary stopgap. For very small kids it's less about learning than the crucial socialisation.

iamwhoiam · 04-10-2020 06:49PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Agin Schools are not childcare so a person's working arrangements are their own, And no i have no contempt for anyone in life.

Education is of incredible importance, health and safety of students and staff and their extended families is of greater importance.

That obviously went whoosh over your head .

Icyseanfitz · 04-10-2020 06:51PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

That obviously went whoosh over your head .

I read it, it was a rant.

Icyseanfitz · 04-10-2020 06:53PM

is_that_so wrote: »

It's really not where it's spreading - it's adults behaving badly in social situations. TV stuff is not blended learning, it's watching TV and a temporary stopgap. For very small kids it's less about learning than the crucial socialisation.

So there's no spread in schools? Bar the 1200+ who tested positive between sep 1st and sep 27th? And then the extended families that that 1200 infected with covid, on top of the community transmission from that group.

KrustyUCC · 04-10-2020 06:53PM

I wonder would the government have the balls to stand up to Tony and NPHET if they recommended all counties to level 4?

I'd have my doubts

Hamsterchops · 04-10-2020 06:54PM

Thought this needed another airing.

The Corona is inside, right? so we need some kind of cleansing of the inside of the body, something to kill the virus on the inside. You know that in a lab the Covid dies pretty much straight away when they put bleach on it, right....some kind of injection into the veins to cleanse the body, disinfectant that might work? they say light kills it too, somehow shine a light inside the body, right ... ultraviolet. Be Proud, stand back & stand by, we can beat this Chinavirus with hydroxychloroquine and bleach on the inside and shine a light in it from the outside-in. I take it twice a day and I'm fine ....

Fake News.

iamwhoiam · 04-10-2020 06:55PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

I read it, it was a rant.

Haha !! And your post wasn’t ? !!

Blondini · 04-10-2020 06:55PM

is_that_so wrote: »

It's really not where it's spreading - it's adults behaving badly in social situations. TV stuff is not blended learning, it's watching TV and a temporary stopgap. For very small kids it's less about learning than the crucial socialisation.

Don't be ridiculous, of course it's spreading in schools.

Why wouldn't it? Does the virus value education that much and decide to act differently in schools?

Stupidity to think otherwise.

Gael23 · 04-10-2020 06:56PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

I wonder would the government have the balls to stand up to Tony and NPHET if they recommended all counties to level 4?

I'd have my doubts

One can only hope

UrbanFret · 04-10-2020 06:56PM

Figures are well out on a Sunday. I know of at least 10 positives in rural Cavan over the last 24 hrs. Large jump expected tomorrow.

Gruffalux · 04-10-2020 06:56PM

New York is increasing measures in 9 districts with 11 more on watch list. 2 - 4 weeks, fairly much lockdown.

https://nypost.com/2020/10/04/de-blasio-wants-nyc-to-shut-down-covid-19-hot-spots/

Mayor Bill de Blasio said Sunday he wants the state to help shut down nine COVID-19 hot-spot neighborhoods in Brooklyn and Queens starting Wednesday — closing all of their non-essential businesses, public and private schools and restaurant dining.

Kids in the areas with spiking coronavirus numbers could still go to school for the next two days before going all remote Wednesday, de Blasio said — while houses of worship will remain open.

“We’re having an extraordinary problem — something we haven’t seen since spring,’’ de Blasio told reporters on a conference call, referring to the uptick in the coronavirus in those areas.

About a half-million people would be affected by the return to the kind of drastic shut-down that the city hasn’t seen since mid-March.

Another 11 neighborhoods in the city are on a “watch list’’ over their COVID-19 numbers and could end up being shut down as well, de Blasio added.

Jim_Hodge · 04-10-2020 06:56PM

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Thought this needed another airing....

Why? Just why?

crossman47 · 04-10-2020 06:57PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

I wonder would the government have the balls to stand up to Tony and NPHET if they recommended all counties to level 4?

I'd have my doubts

Its not a question of standing up to them. They have to weigh up the other consequences, including the flak they'll take if they ignore NPHET and the numbers escalate enough to put hospitals under strain.

screamer · 04-10-2020 06:58PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

I don't have contempt for any group of people, fact of the matter is there are people that use education as nothing but a babysitting tool and that just isn't good enough currently. At post primary there is no reason a hybrid approach couldn't have been taken to keep schools open safely with reduced numbers.

Last time I checked, education for children was compulsory basically, so you are just being absolutely ridiculous with your baby sitting analogy. Parents have no choice but to send their kids to school, if you have a problem with the system then attack those in charge of it, not the parents....

is_that_so · 04-10-2020 06:59PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

So there's no spread in schools? Bar the 1200+ who tested positive between sep 1st and sep 27th? And then the extended families that that 1200 infected with covid, on top of the community transmission from that group.

And here's you claiming things I never said. By the looks of this you want to have schools shut forthwith and will browbeat anyone who doesn't agree with you. That's fine. Now it may happen but the government have bet the house on it so it's a small possibility at present.

Gael23 · 04-10-2020 07:00PM

UrbanFret wrote: »

Figures are well out on a Sunday. I know of at least 10 positives in rural Cavan over the last 24 hrs. Large jump expected tomorrow.

Deaths and hospital number maybe but cases are never usually

odyssey06 · 04-10-2020 07:00PM

is_that_so wrote: »

It's really not where it's spreading - it's adults behaving badly in social situations.

Schools are spreading it. They didn't start the fire, but if you throw kids from families where the adults behaved badly into the same classroom, then all the other families are at risk no matter how responsible they were in following the guidlines.

is_that_so · 04-10-2020 07:00PM

Blondini wrote: »

Don't be ridiculous, of course it's spreading in schools.

Why wouldn't it? Does the virus value education that much and decide to act differently in schools?

Stupidity to think otherwise.

I am swayed by the genius of your logic!

GooglePlus · 04-10-2020 07:02PM

crossman47 wrote: »

Its not a question of standing up to them. They have to weigh up the other consequences, including the flak they'll take if they ignore NPHET and the numbers escalate enough to put hospitals under strain.

People have started to see NPHET as the oppressor here, twisting the arm of our poor government with their scientific analysis.

Our government makes the final call on anything, it's not NPHET's job to do that. They provide the opinion and data, the government makes decisions based on that.

I wonder about people who don't understand basic political structure, mad to shake their fist at the bad guy.

Icyseanfitz · 04-10-2020 07:03PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Haha !! And your post wasn’t ? !!

My post was not a rant, i do apologize however in that it was emotional. I work in a very large post primary school, which management have tried their hardest to make safe but was simply impossible to do with the guidelines given by government. My wife is very ill, and her immune system is gone, i have no choice but to work in a completely unsafe environment and risk bringing covid home to her. Staff and parents are not being told if cases happen in school (which they are) and it is simply infuriating to see people thinking schools are some bastion of safety from covid when the opposite is true.

I am passionate about schools and the safety of all within, i love working with my students, some come from disadvantaged homes where parents can't wait to get them out the door, this isn't nice obviously, bit it is a reality.

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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