Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

manniot2 · 04-10-2020 04:22PM

Paddygreen wrote: »

Some say there wouldn’t be a functioning economy left after another full lockdown. Those people are selfish. Even if we go back to 1950s levels of poverty and economic stagnation it will be worth it if we defeat Covid19.

agreed. its all or nothing.

Hurrache · 04-10-2020 04:25PM

Str8outtaWuhan wrote: »

in fairness, the question you should be asking is "was your wife healthy before she caught it" , can you be 100% medically sure there was nothin wrong with her , that she had no undiagnosed prediposition to the bug"

Some amount of clowns want to still ignore reality.

Icyseanfitz · 04-10-2020 04:26PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

I think most people are aware of what can happen, but everything needs to be put in context of the %age chance and the effects on the rest of society.

There are people out there for years suffering from injuries from participating in sport, from car crashes, from workplace incidents as well.

There are people out there suffering from air pollution because selfish car owners insist on driving through urban areas instead of using greener alternatives. But there is no attempt to shame people because they are out driving around needlessly.

Hopefully your never put in a situation like this where someone effectively tells you your wifes suffering doesnt matter as statistics and percentages are good in society as a whole. I won't say what i really want to say to you right now as i like being able to use boards.ie :mad:

speckle · 04-10-2020 04:27PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Does anyone know if hotels or bars allow bands to play their music? I thought playing music was banned because it allows people to shout over each other. But I know of a place that had a band playing over the weekend.

read somewhere no more than 6 people singing and decibel limited depending where they sre. will find again and post later, when site not acting up.

Gruffalux · 04-10-2020 04:28PM

arrianalexander wrote: »

Re the post on the focus on fatality rate should be the only focus , sorry I can't find original post

I'll tell my wife who was healthy and who is in 30s who can't walk up the stairs without losing her breathe to just get on with it

Fatalities aren't the only thing that can be focused on

Sorry for my over emotive response but I see the effects of coivid every day of my life. I'm not saying lockdowns work or don't , I'm saying there is more to coivid than fatalities

She nor I can't simply get on with it ... I'll probably regret this post, it's not meant as a personal attack .

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

My wife, same age, had covid in April and hasn't been well since, suffered massive infections lately and is bed ridden. People are fools to think this virus isn't that bad because of a low fatality rate, the long-term effects are horrible.

I do wish people had the emotional intelligence and moral decency not to come back at honest posts like these with the snide ''But how do you really know she had no underlying conditions/'' etc etc. This whole thing has really brought out an ignorant side to people - and by ignorant I mean in all its manifestations. I hope your wivess recover. It might take a fair bit of time, but hopefully they will get back to themselves. Sorry ye got the usual rude responses after being honest. It must be awful to be caught up in this viral after effects phenomenon.

ZX7R · 04-10-2020 04:32PM

Gruffalux wrote: »

This sounds so excellent and well organised.
I am in favour of lockdown for the purpose of public health if circumstances go to a dangerous level. One cannot stand by and see vulnerable people die in excess numbers, nor risk an over run of the hospitals. I do not want us to be Brazil. And coinciding with any measures there should be a situation like this whereby other medical issues and all the needs of people for services and care should be run in a parallel and highly protected manner. I do not know how we cannot manage to organise ourselves to be at an excellent level in our health and support services - it is not like we are not a high tax economy.

As far as lockdowns go 4 areas in Poland are in level red ,main thing is masks are mandatory outdoors as well as indoors but everything remains open but at reduced levels.
I'm in a yellow level have been since I arrived mask up when indoors or public transport everyone respects the mask except for some nutters but you have that everywhere.
Life is pretty much as normal as when it was before covid.
As for a normal person if you need anything from your gp, if it can be done over the phone it will if you need a one on one you can get a 15 min appointment.
As far as hospitals if you spend more than 5 hours in the hospital you are tested for covid-19 no matter what you were there for and have to isolate till the test result.
There is not the fear here like you see on board's or on the Irish media but don't get me wrong there is a very healthy respect of the virus

zinfandel · 04-10-2020 04:34PM

arrianalexander wrote: »

Why should I ask that ?

She is was healthy , lead an active and healthy lifestyle .

Am I or she 100% sure she had developed a medical prior to it , no one can answer that unless someone had a complete work up done prior to contracting it.

But let's pretend she did, it doesn't change the bug triggered this.

Got it in May, she cried herself to sleep last night wondering if she'll ever get better .

I was given a similar response by posters when I reported that my 42 year old healthy BIL died from covid in the States in March.... ' oh he must have had something wrong with him... his whole family was certainly unaware if he had, so even completely healthy people should do their utmost to avoid this as just maybe they have something lurking that they do not know about...

I do hope your wife makes a good recovery.

Neddyusa · 04-10-2020 04:35PM

OscarMIlde wrote: »

Then why do you think the numbers are rising at the moment if asymptomatic people aren't spreading it?

Because the test is for presence of a virus - not illness.
Deaths are at such a low level since June as to be statistically insignificant

stephenjmcd · 04-10-2020 04:36PM

A few more counties for level 3 would be my guess

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1312777936580341767?s=19

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1312778137046900736?s=19

smellyoldboot · 04-10-2020 04:36PM

manniot2 wrote: »

agreed. its all or nothing.

A lot of the parts of the economy that have suffered/will suffer most have been operating on a very precarious and broken operating model for some time. For example pubs, restaurants and retail with their pricing and dependence on consistently rising spending on non essential items will always be vulnerable to even a slight economic shock.

The real shambles is that like the banking sector over 10 years ago we pick up the tab for it.

Micky 32 · 04-10-2020 04:37PM

Hurrache wrote: »

Some amount of clowns want to still ignore reality.

Just remember posts on here are anecdotal. I was certainly reminded of that when i posted something that was positive.

Hurrache · 04-10-2020 04:40PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Just remember posts on here are anecdotal. I was certainly reminded of that when i posted something that was positive.

Not being smart, but not sure of your point?
You think the poster with the ill wife is not being factual?

Micky 32 · 04-10-2020 04:43PM

Hurrache wrote: »

You think the poster with the ill wife is not being factual?

I didn’t say that but it seems that a certain cohort only want to believe what they want to believe. I posted about people i know who made full recoveries and some of your buddies on here response was “ anecdotal and whataboutery “.

Hurrache · 04-10-2020 04:44PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I didn’t say that but it seems that a certain cohort only want to believe what they want to believe. I posted about people i know who made full recoveries and some of your buddies on here response was “ anecdotal and whataboutery “.

Sigh, your last line exposes your motivations.

I don't know anyone here, I don't have "buddies", you child.

Point is people get very ill, for months. People who don't, don't negate the former. There's no mutual exclusion.

maebee · 04-10-2020 04:46PM

I heard a doctor on Brendan O'Connor's programme this morning slating face screens, saying they were worse than useless and should be banned. After hearing this, I decided not to use mine anymore and to stick to my regular face mask. This afternoon we had a lovely Sunday lunch in a well renowned restaurant in Limerick city. The staff were all wearing what I can only describe as micro face screens. They sit on the chin, as opposed to the forehead, cover the mouth but don't fully cover the nose. When the waiter leaned in to me to place cutlery, his uncovered nose was inches from mine. I thought I was being paranoid but the three 20 somethings in our family all agreed that these masks are "a joke". Has anybody else seen these?

froog · 04-10-2020 04:47PM

i'm curious what the "no restrictions" people's plan would be here with our health service facing complete collapse in a matter of months, if not weeks. are you genuinely okay with that as long as you can go about your old life?

Micky 32 · 04-10-2020 04:47PM

Hurrache wrote: »

Sigh

You can sigh all you want. But we have to take all stories as anecdotal.

Hurrache · 04-10-2020 04:47PM

Face screens have been showing to being ineffective a good while ago. Even looking at them logically will tell you that.

Micky 32 · 04-10-2020 04:52PM

Hurrache wrote: »

Point is people get very ill, for months. People who don't, don't negate the former. There's no mutual exclusion.

I know of at least 15 people that got it, one 85 with a lot of ailments and another 78. All fully recovered. I’ll go by real life experiences than some randomer on the internet.( that’s what i get told on here anyway)

A child? Eh? Lol grow up.

rooney30 · 04-10-2020 04:53PM

maebee wrote: »

I heard a doctor on Brendan O'Connor's programme this morning slating face screens, saying they were worse than useless and should be banned. After hearing this, I decided not to use mine anymore and to stick to my regular face mask. This afternoon we had a lovely Sunday lunch in a well renowned restaurant in Limerick city. The staff were all wearing what I can only describe as micro face screens. They sit on the chin, as opposed to the forehead, cover the mouth but don't fully cover the nose. When the waiter leaned in to me to place cutlery, his uncovered nose was inches from mine. I thought I was being paranoid but the three 20 somethings in our family all agreed that these masks are "a joke". Has anybody else seen these?

Yes I have seen them . They are an absolute joke . How anyone with any degree of common sense could think they are any use is beyond me

Arghus · 04-10-2020 04:53PM

froog wrote: »

i'm curious what the "no restrictions" people's plan would be here with our health service facing complete collapse in a matter of months, if not weeks. are you genuinely okay with that as long as you can go about your old life?

They haven't thought that one through, it's as simple as that.

NPHET meeting tonight.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 04-10-2020 04:54PM

The problem with visors or face shields is that people see them as a replacement for masks.

They aren't comparable and are pretty poor. I do use a visor myself but more for walking about on a street rather than going into shops restaurants or anywhere I would expect to be in close contact with people. It's better than nothing and much worse than a mask.

I can wear a mask but don't want to wear a mask all the time as my skin has been terrible recently.

Roots 2020 · 04-10-2020 04:55PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I know of at least 15 people that got it, one 85 with a lot of ailments and another 78. All fully recovered. I’ll go by real life experiences than some randomer on the internet.

A child? Eh? Lol grow up.

That's only anecdotal..

OscarMIlde · 04-10-2020 04:55PM

Neddyusa wrote: »

Because the test is for presence of a virus - not illness.
Deaths are at such a low level since June as to be statistically insignificant

You do understand that the virus can cause an illness which has serious complications for a certain percentage of people, and that the more asymptomatic people passing the virus on, means that more people will suffer serious complications. This will inevitably result in deaths, and the more people who suffer serious effects at once, the greater the likelihood the health service will not be able to adequately treat everyone. This will result in deaths that would have been avoidable had asymptomatic spread been contained.

Micky 32 · 04-10-2020 04:57PM

Roots 2020 wrote: »

That's only anecdotal..

There you go, you just proved my point.

lukas8888 · 04-10-2020 04:58PM

ZX7R wrote: »

As far as lockdowns go 4 areas in Poland are in level red ,main thing is masks are mandatory outdoors as well as indoors but everything remains open but at reduced levels.
I'm in a yellow level have been since I arrived mask up when indoors or public transport everyone respects the mask except for some nutters but you have that everywhere.
Life is pretty much as normal as when it was before covid.
As for a normal person if you need anything from your gp, if it can be done over the phone it will if you need a one on one you can get a 15 min appointment.
As far as hospitals if you spend more than 5 hours in the hospital you are tested for covid-19 no matter what you were there for and have to isolate till the test result.
There is not the fear here like you see on board's or on the Irish media but don't get me wrong there is a very healthy respect of the virus

One of the main reasons why fear seems to be so widespread in Ireland in comparison to more populated countries is our size.Almost everybody will know of someone who has or had it.Will also have heard of Johnny or Mary's first cousin who has recovered but left with long term serious side effects.

CruelSummer · 04-10-2020 05:01PM

froog wrote: »

i'm curious what the "no restrictions" people's plan would be here with our health service facing complete collapse in a matter of months, if not weeks. are you genuinely okay with that as long as you can go about your old life?

I'm not no restrictions but I don't support closing everything down and ceasing to live while Covid exists. It's completely unsustainable. The Government, NPHET and the HSE have had 6/7 months to get their house in order re Covid treatment plans in Nursing Homes and the wider community by hiring some of the thousands of volunteers that signed up to be on call for Ireland. They didn't even offer these people a HSE contract, and many returned abroad again - while Ireland remains chronically understaffed in many departments. This is an absolute disgrace in the year of a Pandemic. The cost of extra healthcare pales in comparison to the cost of repeated lockdowns.

I think any business that can comply with the current recommendations re mask wearing when possible, 2 metre distancing, hand sanitising and time limits should be allowed to open. We should keep these recommendations in place for the Winter months to get us over flu season and then drop them where appropriate in Spring. This would help with contract tracing also, instead of now where everything is happening behind closed doors and no guidelines being followed. This should be coupled with an information campaign to those most at risk of Covid, e.g. diabetes, age, weight, etc.

04-10-2020 05:01PM

froog wrote: »

i'm curious what the "no restrictions" people's plan would be here with our health service facing complete collapse in a matter of months, if not weeks. are you genuinely okay with that as long as you can go about your old life?

Well perhaps we should be wondering why absolutely nothing has been done to increase hospital/ICU capacity since this started?

A vaccine could be far away. Our economy could collapse in a matter of months if we keep locking down and yo yoing between restrictions. If the economy collapses, the health system suffers.

All current evidence shows is that lockdown doesn’t work anyways. Kildare has been locked twice now and had nearly 50 cases yesterday.

We need to start at least considering other approaches.

Curious_Case · 04-10-2020 05:02PM

Official advice -- There are crocs in the water, don't jump in

Precious flakes -- How dare you deprive me of my lovely regular swim

manniot2 · 04-10-2020 05:02PM

froog wrote: »

i'm curious what the "no restrictions" people's plan would be here with our health service facing complete collapse in a matter of months, if not weeks. are you genuinely okay with that as long as you can go about your old life?

If we protect the elderly, can you prove the above is going to happen?

And at any point are you willing to consider the cost of all this? And I don’t mean to economy.

And will you be happy to do it next winter also? Cos this vaccine is no silver bullet as even the medic say.

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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