Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings

01-10-2020 11:33PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

I just answered your off license question.....

I'm strangley attracted to you...gender or otherwise..your curt tone intrigues me no end.

thanks though..the belgians say thanks too..

weldoninhio · 01-10-2020 11:34PM

Witcher wrote: »

Yes they can.

This isn't America where you have to have a brake light out to be stopped.

Any vehicle can be stopped in a public place, no reason needed.

there's always someone with the oul myth 'they have to have a reason to stop you'. LOL

Section 109, RTA 1961.

From Citizens Information:

The ONLY statutory provision which specifically permits a Garda to stop and question someone, short of arresting the person, is section 30 of the Offences Against the State Act 1939.

Section 30 allows a Garda to stop and interrogate anyone whom the Garda suspects of having committed or being about to commit an offence under the 1939 Act or an offence scheduled for the purposes of the Act. (There are a number of offences listed as being scheduled offences, such as, firearms offences and explosive offences). This gives the Gardaí the power to stop a suspect in a public place. It also gives them the power to stop any vehicle, or any ship, boat or other vessel for the purposes of questioning and searching, and if necessary, arresting the suspect.

Witcher · 01-10-2020 11:36PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

From Citizens Information:

The ONLY statutory provision which specifically permits a Garda to stop and question someone, short of arresting the person, is section 30 of the Offences Against the State Act 1939.

Section 30 allows a Garda to stop and interrogate anyone whom the Garda suspects of having committed or being about to commit an offence under the 1939 Act or an offence scheduled for the purposes of the Act. (There are a number of offences listed as being scheduled offences, such as, firearms offences and explosive offences). This gives the Gardaí the power to stop a suspect in a public place. It also gives them the power to stop any vehicle, or any ship, boat or other vessel for the purposes of questioning and searching, and if necessary, arresting the suspect.

I'll just pop it in here for you again, you didn't see it.

Section 109, RTA 1961

A person driving a vehicle in a public place shall stop the vehicle on being so required by a member of the Garda Síochána.

(2) A person who contravenes subsection (1) of this section shall be guilty of an offence.

You can then be spoken to regarding your driving licence, insurance and NCT under Sections 40, 69 and 19 of the same act respectively.

Tell me again how you can't be stopped and spoken to while driving a car :pac:

and get this, if you don't produce your licence at the scene, and won't provide your name and address you can be arrested *Gasp*

So good luck with that one:pac:

weldoninhio · 01-10-2020 11:37PM

Witcher wrote: »

I'll just pop it in here for you again, you didn't see it.

Section 109, RTA 1961

That doesn’t contradict my point. You should stop for a Garda, but the Garda has to have a reason to be stopping you.

Witcher · 01-10-2020 11:41PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

That doesn’t contradict my point. You should stop for a Garda, but the Garda has to have a reason to be stopping you.

No they don't.

You like Citizen's Information so here's one for you:

The Gardaí have a common law power to stop motorists at random in order to detect and prevent crime.

As outlined above, a Garda is entitled to stop a motorist under common law for the purpose of detecting and preventing crime. The Garda is also entitled to stop a motorist under a statutory power given under Section 109 of the Road Traffic Act 1961, which obliges a motorist to stop their vehicle when required to do so by a Garda. This statutory power is given to the Gardaí for the purpose of inspecting vehicle tax, insurance certificates, driving licenses and road worthiness of vehicles. Unlike common law power, it is confined to road traffic offences.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/justice/arrests/questioning_and_surveillance.html

01-10-2020 11:44PM

Witcher wrote: »

No they don't.

so that's why the Gardaí tell you when they've pulled you over. "under subsection blah blah blah... I'm going to ask you to blow into this tube in compliance with blah blah balh... they need a reason or anything thereafter is a joke! any solicitor worth a salt would wade through that as a breach and you know it.

Witcher · 01-10-2020 11:47PM

rusty cole wrote: »

so that's why the Gardaí tell you when they've pulled you over. "under subsection blah blah blah... I'm going to ask you to blow into this tube in compliance with blah blah balh... they need a reason or anything thereafter is a joke!

The requirement to provide a breath sample is completely different to needing to have a reason for stopping the car. They're not providing you with a reason for stopping the car, they're providing you with the reason why you have to blow into the tube.

Random breath testing at MIT Checkpoints is authorised by an Inspector under Section 10 of the Road Traffic Act, 2010.

If they stop you and believe you're drunk, you're required to provide a sample of breath under Section 9 of the RTA 2010.

Gardai can stop any car in a public place, for any reason.

01-10-2020 11:54PM

Witcher wrote: »

The requirement to provide a breath sample is completely different to needing to have a reason for stopping the car. They're not providing you with a reason for stopping the car, they're providing you with the reason why you have to blow into the tube.

Random breath testing at MIT Checkpoints is authorised by an Inspector under Section 10 of the Road Traffic Act, 2010.

If they stop you and believe you're drunk, you're required to provide a sample of breath under Section 9 of the RTA 2010.

Gardai can stop any car in a public place, for any reason.

yeah such as to score some coke!!! please the Gardaí want as little to do with this as they do giving a routine urine sample!!

Witcher · 01-10-2020 11:59PM

rusty cole wrote: »

yeah such as to score some coke!!! please the Gardaí want as little to do with this as they do giving a routine urine sample!!

Yeah, good man

pjohnson · 02-10-2020 06:07AM

What a suprise the anti-restrictions crowd also are anti-Gardai.

weldoninhio · 02-10-2020 07:20AM

pjohnson wrote: »

What a suprise the anti-restrictions crowd also are anti-Gardai.

Who’s anti-Garda? I’m anti-intimidation. Gardai have no power to stop anyone from going anywhere in Ireland. Stopping people and questioning them about where they are going, why they are going there and trying to bully them into going back isn’t their job.

Penfailed · 02-10-2020 07:43AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I know exactly what I’m talking about.

Turns out, you don't.

is_that_so · 02-10-2020 07:50AM

A possible legal challenge to the restrictions being extended in Dublin. No surprise who's involved. Can't see how it might be successful and there's an awful lot of legal waffle and misrepresentation from them. The Dail updated the Health Act, which can be carte blanche for the Minister in this type of public health crisis.

One of Dublin’s biggest restaurant groups has threatened the Government with legal action if it extends coronavirus restrictions on pubs and restaurants in the capital beyond October 10th.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/major-dublin-restaurant-group-threatens-state-with-legal-action-over-covid-19-restrictions-1.4369700

Penfailed · 02-10-2020 08:29AM

Restrictions have tightened in Derry and Strabane to bring them more into line with Donegal. There's talk of a 'circuit breaker' shutdown for three weeks in the UK either side of Hallowe'en...

_Kaiser_ · 02-10-2020 08:30AM

Donnelly on R1 just now complaining about people on social media spreading fear.

Then goes on to talk about "Long Covid"

Irony is not in his vocabulary I guess

CalamariFritti · 02-10-2020 08:38AM

Witcher wrote: »

I'll just pop it in here for you again, you didn't see it.

Section 109, RTA 1961

You can then be spoken to regarding your driving licence, insurance and NCT under Sections 40, 69 and 19 of the same act respectively.

Tell me again how you can't be stopped and spoken to while driving a car :pac:

and get this, if you don't produce your licence at the scene, and won't provide your name and address you can be arrested *Gasp*

So good luck with that one:pac:

To be fair licence, insurance, NCT and roadworthiness does not include 'where are you going and why'.

bush · 02-10-2020 09:38AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Donnelly on R1 just now complaining about people on social media spreading fear.

Then goes on to talk about "Long Covid"

Irony is not in his vocabulary I guess

Is he for real?

Ginger n Lemon · 02-10-2020 09:42AM

pjohnson wrote: »

What a suprise the anti-restrictions crowd also are anti-Gardai.

PJ good morning

Good to see you drop in.

I dont think that people not being in favour of gardai stopping them and asking them where they are going constitutes being anti-gardai.

I hope you are less confused now

02-10-2020 10:34AM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

To be fair licence, insurance, NCT and roadworthiness does not include 'where are you going and why'.

It’s common spiel at checkpoints even in normal times to ask where you are going, been asked loads of times over the years. It’s just a way to get you taking to see if you come across as suspicious, drink taken etc.

Assetbacked · 02-10-2020 10:37AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Donnelly on R1 just now complaining about people on social media spreading fear.

Then goes on to talk about "Long Covid"

Irony is not in his vocabulary I guess

Doomers still hang on the government's every word as they lack a critical thinking ability. It's just pathetic that so many people still think covid is a serious virus for anyone but a tiny sect of society.

Penfailed · 02-10-2020 10:51AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

PJ good morning

Good to see you drop in.

I dont think that people not being in favour of gardai stopping them and asking them where they are going constitutes being anti-gardai.

I hope you are less confused now

I think the quote was, "Tell them to F off." That sounds anti-gardai to me. What's wrong with being civil?

weldoninhio · 02-10-2020 11:00AM

Penfailed wrote: »

I think the quote was, "Tell them to F off." That sounds anti-gardai to me. What's wrong with being civil?

If a shop assistant was stopping you from going into a supermarket and asking you, what aisles will you be using? What items are you buying today? You’d tell them to F off. Same thing.

Ginger n Lemon · 02-10-2020 11:06AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

If a shop assistant was stopping you from going into a supermarket and asking you, what aisles will you be using? What items are you buying today? You’d tell them to F off. Same thing.

Penfailed wouldnt.

Or well he would, but then subsequently post here "I told them I ll be buying toilet paper, and wished them good day"

02-10-2020 11:08AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

If a shop assistant was stopping you from going into a supermarket and asking you, what aisles will you be using? What items are you buying today? You’d tell them to F off. Same thing.

I’d pay good money to see you tell a guard to f-off at a checkpoint, if and it’s a big if you actually would say it you would regret it soon after. You really are going into Gemma territory now, not a place anyone should find themselves.

Also you would need a car to be stopped at a check point and you don’t appear to have managed to achieve that yet so you really haven’t a clue what you are taking about when it come to a traffic stop.

LuasSimon · 02-10-2020 11:12AM

When does only visitors ( max 6 ) from one other home start ?

facehugger99 · 02-10-2020 11:19AM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

I’d pay good money to see you tell a guard to f-off at a checkpoint, if and it’s a big if you actually would say it you would regret it soon after. You really are going into Gemma territory now, not a place anyone should find themselves.

Also you would need a car to be stopped at a check point and you don’t appear to have managed to achieve that yet so you really haven’t a clue what you are taking about when it come to a traffic stop.

When did you unlock your 'car achievement' trophy anyway?

weldoninhio · 02-10-2020 11:33AM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

I’d pay good money to see you tell a guard to f-off at a checkpoint, if and it’s a big if you actually would say it you would regret it soon after. You really are going into Gemma territory now, not a place anyone should find themselves.

Also you would need a car to be stopped at a check point and you don’t appear to have managed to achieve that yet so you really haven’t a clue what you are taking about when it come to a traffic stop.

I've told Gardai to f off previously and on more than one occasion, back in my youth, while drunk, belligerent and immature. Unsurprisingly nothing happened. You've probably seen a Twitter video though. Or did your local sergeant, who lets drink drivers off with a warning tell you a story about what happens??

02-10-2020 11:37AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I've told Gardai to f off previously and on more than one occasion, back in my youth, while drunk, belligerent and immature. Unsurprisingly nothing happened. You've probably seen a Twitter video though.

Last person I saw refuse give his name to a guard was a friend a few years ago (we were all drunk), told him to f-off (or similar) and turn to walk away. Ended up pinned to the ground by two guards, put in a paddy wagon and spent a night in the cell. Left out the next morning with no charge as it was just to teach him a lesson.

I know your stories aren’t true but to think the way you do is enough to know what type of individual you are. Regardless of wrongdoing or not no one should be telling guards, shop workers etc to f-off. I’d say you would sh1t your pants if a guard even looked at you.

funnydoggy · 02-10-2020 11:41AM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Last person I saw refuse give his name to a guard was a friend a few years ago (we were all drunk), told him to f-off (or similar) and turn to walk away. Ended up pinned to the ground by two guards, put in a paddy wagon and spent a night in the cell. Left out the next morning with no charge as it was just to teach him a lesson.

I know your stories aren’t true but to think the way you do is enough to know what type of individual you are. Regardless of wrongdoing or not no one should be telling guards, shop workers etc to f-off. I’d say you would sh1t your pants if a guard even looked at you.

Why would his story be untrue and yours true?

02-10-2020 11:44AM

funnydoggy wrote: »

Why would his story be untrue and yours true?

Because people who would regularly act as he claims towards guards would get pulled up on it sooner or later and most likely get arrested at the very least.

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings