Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

JRant

LuasSimon wrote: »

When does only visitors ( max 6 ) from one other home start ?

It hasn't been approved by cabinet yet and even when it is there are no laws against you having more more than 6. It's all only advisory (se today's high court ruling for confirmation)

FintanMcluskey

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Last person I saw refuse give his name to a guard was a friend a few years ago (we were all drunk), told him to f-off (or similar) and turn to walk away. Ended up pinned to the ground by two guards, put in a paddy wagon and spent a night in the cell. Left out the next morning with no charge as it was just to teach him a lesson.

Your local gardai are quite the maverick cops.

Drink driving is absolutely fine but being rude to a guard is met with police brutality

Sounds like detective Harry Callahan is leading the local force

Penfailed

weldoninhio wrote: »

If a shop assistant was stopping you from going into a supermarket and asking you, what aisles will you be using? What items are you buying today? You’d tell them to F off. Same thing.

Completely different thing. Also, I was brought up...not dragged up

weldoninhio

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Last person I saw refuse give his name to a guard was a friend a few years ago (we were all drunk), told him to f-off (or similar) and turn to walk away. Ended up pinned to the ground by two guards, put in a paddy wagon and spent a night in the cell. Left out the next morning with no charge as it was just to teach him a lesson.

I know your stories aren’t true but to think the way you do is enough to know what type of individual you are. Regardless of wrongdoing or not no one should be telling guards, shop workers etc to f-off. I’d say you would sh1t your pants if a guard even looked at you.

Who said anything about not giving your name? You are obliged to give the guards your name and address.

weldoninhio

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Because people who would regularly act as he claims towards guards would get pulled up on it sooner or later and most likely get arrested at the very least.

I've never been arrested in my life. I have been previously asked to the station to help with inquiries, which I have turned down.

average_runner

Lockdown for madrid

Captain_Crash

JRant wrote: »

It hasn't been approved by cabinet yet and even when it is there are no laws against you having more more than 6. It's all only advisory (se today's high court ruling for confirmation)

Just had a read of the judgement (admittedly not all of it). As expected, the state won the case but its put them in a corner now... their argument that it’s all only advisory won but how will this play out with other restrictions??

RTE will no doubt broadcast that the travel restrictions are lawful and the state was right, but make no mention of it being merely advice and no more

Judgment is here: https://www.courts.ie/viewer/pdf/4c363613-d8d4-4813-91ff-ea95c099d390/2020_IEHC_461.pdf/pdf#view=fitH

hynesie08

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Your local gardai are quite the maverick cops.

Drink driving is absolutely fine but being rude to a guard is met with police brutality

Sounds like detective Harry Callahan is leading the local force

Considering how culchie nox is, the gardai was probably your man's cousin/granda

Grant Billions Bifocals

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Last person I saw refuse give his name to a guard was a friend a few years ago (we were all drunk), told him to f-off (or similar) and turn to walk away. Ended up pinned to the ground by two guards, put in a paddy wagon and spent a night in the cell. Left out the next morning with no charge as it was just to teach him a lesson.

I know your stories aren’t true but to think the way you do is enough to know what type of individual you are. Regardless of wrongdoing or not no one should be telling guards, shop workers etc to f-off. I’d say you would sh1t your pants if a guard even looked at you.

The clues are in the terms "Paddy wagon" and "night in the cell". I seriously think you'd sh!t yourself if a GIRL looked sat you, never mind a guard!
c'mon, you're having us on all with this craic?? you cannot be a real person..:rolleyes:

Assetbacked

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/ryanair-loses-high-court-action-over-ireland-s-travel-advice-1.4370292?mode=amp

Ryan Air loses its claim against the travel restrictions being a breach of law as they only amounted to guidance.

I'd be sickened to be one of those that cancelled foreign holidays in August/September only to read this in the judgment:

“The advice to avoid non-essential travel and to restrict movements on entry to the State is just that: advice,” Mr Justice Simons said. “The Government merely requests that persons entering the State from a country not on the “green list” restrict their movements for 14 days. As of August 2020, there had been no legal requirement to do so.”

hynesie08

Assetbacked wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/ryanair-loses-high-court-action-over-ireland-s-travel-advice-1.4370292?mode=amp

Ryan Air loses its claim against the travel restrictions being a breach of law as they only amounted to guidance.

I'd be sickened to be one of those that cancelled foreign holidays in August/September only to read this in the judgment:

Is this good or bad for them? I'm not sure they actually wanted to win....

polesheep

Assetbacked wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/ryanair-loses-high-court-action-over-ireland-s-travel-advice-1.4370292?mode=amp

Ryan Air loses its claim against the travel restrictions being a breach of law as they only amounted to guidance.

I'd be sickened to be one of those that cancelled foreign holidays in August/September only to read this in the judgment:

I wonder if Ryanair were able to find a PS worker willing to take a case would they be able to trip the government up, now that it is confirmed that it was always meant to be nothing more than advice.

3xh

hynesie08 wrote: »

Is this good or bad for them? I'm not sure they actually wanted to win....

It’s more awkward for them. Basically caught with their pants down. Now they’ve to hope the public are still on board with them as they ramp up restrictions over the next while, legal, advice, or not.

People will have cancelled their holidays because of this. More fool them, imo, unfortunately. The official wording was actually always clear if you (as in anyone) bothered to read it properly and not get it from RTE.

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Your local gardai are quite the maverick cops.

Drink driving is absolutely fine but being rude to a guard is met with police brutality

Sounds like detective Harry Callahan is leading the local force

Was in the city not local.

hynesie08

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Was in the city not local.

I assume your friend asked for a copy of the gardas report for his solicitor and the ombudsman? Gardai aren't allowed assault citizens, no matter how much you want to give them that power.

dubdaymo

It's a partial "win" for Ryanair in that it has now been formally established that the travel advice is officially "advice only" whereas before it was a grey area for many.

Interesting to read that Aer Lingus, although not a party to the case, are "tagged on" so the headline really should be "Ryanair and Aer Lingus lose out in High Court ruling".

Interesting also to note that Ryanair's costs have been limited by the judge in this instance.

kippy

weldoninhio wrote: »

If a shop assistant was stopping you from going into a supermarket and asking you, what aisles will you be using? What items are you buying today? You’d tell them to F off. Same thing.

Not the same thing.

Fakediamond

hynesie08 wrote: »

I assume your friend asked for a copy of the gardas report for his solicitor and the ombudsman? Gardai aren't allowed assault citizens, no matter how much you want to give them that power.

Good luck to him taking that route, it wouldn’t end well

Witcher

hynesie08 wrote: »

I assume your friend asked for a copy of the gardas report for his solicitor and the ombudsman? Gardai aren't allowed assault citizens, no matter how much you want to give them that power.

Gardai are permitted to use force to effect an arrest.

hynesie08

Witcher wrote: »

Gardai are permitted to use force to effect an arrest.

If you believe noxs story (I don't) it was an assault, not an arrest, and there would still be paperwork.

I'm sure nox will be along soon to fill us in, he always seems to remember the details when his fantasies are called out.

Plumbthedepths

Witcher wrote: »

Gardai are permitted to use force to effect an arrest.

Reasonable force and they are still required to write a report. As I said my son is in AGS. Even if he draws his ASP he has to write a report on why he drew it.
You should attach a label of fantasy to the drivel posted by Nox.

Witcher

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Reasonable force and they are still required to write a report. As I said my son is in AGS. Even if he draws his ASP he has to write a report on why he drew it.
You should attach a label of fantasy to the drivel posted by Nox.

There's no report for taking someone to the ground during an arrest or for drawing an ASP.

Use of spray or a strike with an ASP require a use of force report.

Plumbthedepths

Witcher wrote: »

There's no report for taking someone to the ground during an arrest or for drawing an ASP.

Use of spray or a strike with an ASP require a use of force report.

I must tell my son that according to a randomer on the net he can use his asp without writing a report as to why. Thanks.

hynesie08

Witcher is right, this isn't the states thankfully. You can pull out the asp, tell someone to leave an area, and if they do, asp goes back and nothing goes any further.

Not a garda, just very familiar with them.... (in a good way)

Plumbthedepths

hynesie08 wrote: »

Witcher is right, this isn't the states thankfully. You can pull out the asp, tell someone to leave an area, and if they do, asp goes back and nothing goes any further.

Not a garda, just very familiar with them.... (in a good way)

Seems I have misinterpreted what my son was saying about use of the asp. Every day is a school day.

CruelSummer

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/explainer-are-we-facing-a-twindemic-of-covid-19-and-flu-this-winter-39529492.html

Are we facing into a Twindemic this Winter with Covid and Flu? Time to keep worried and anxious - we're all in this together, even though we are clearly not and sections of society are now been flung under the bus to keep us all 'safe'.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/last-ditch-lockdown-gamble-as-gatherings-are-banned-39581152.html

Last ditch effort all, otherwise we 'lockdown' again while minimal hospitalisation and ICU admissions continue. This makes complete sense - Lockdown costs a huge amount of money and stability in our society, we should definitely keep pursuing this failed strategy for the Winter months until there's no economy left and people are queuing for food.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/its-good-to-see-him-back-holohan-expected-to-demand-strict-adherence-to-rules-on-his-return-39581064.html

Tony Holohan has superhero powers, he's going to swoop in and order us all to be good little girls and boys or else. Something Ronan Glynn wasn't able to do apparently - even though of the two, I'd listen to Glynn over Holohan who I suspect has Zero Covid/Vaccine/Disaster for Irish society & economy at the back of his mind.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/dundalk-to-face-arsenal-in-europa-league-group-stages-39581831.html

And finally, Dundalk are going to play Arsenal in a Europa League group game - what an occasion. That no-one will be able to attend under the current restrictions...

Happy Friday all!!

Gael23

The restriction on one other household in your home cant be enforced can it?

weldoninhio

Gael23 wrote: »

The restriction on one other household in your home cant be enforced can it?

It's only a guideline, like washing your facemask at 60 degrees every night. You don't have to follow it.

3xh

Gael23 wrote: »

The restriction on one other household in your home cant be enforced can it?

No chance. It’s only advice again.

People should be more concerned with following these guidelines and trying to stop the spread of this virus than worrying if they are enforceable and bragging about braking them.

The sooner people get that into their semi functioning brains the better.