Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Penfailed · 01-10-2020 08:59PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Tell them to F off. None of their business where anyone is going.

Nah. No need for that. There's enough shíte going on in the world without being a dick to a Guard.

Ginger n Lemon · 01-10-2020 09:00PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Nah. No need for that. There's enough shíte going on in the world without being a dick to a Guard.

And yet youve been a dic* to me for months on this thread.

Double standards.

In all seriousness, I am happy that your views dont align with that of Nox. Less restrictions is more.

weldoninhio · 01-10-2020 09:00PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Nah. No need for that. There's enough shíte going on in the world without being a dick to a Guard.

If they stop you just to ask where you’re going then they started it. Absolutely no legal reason for them to be stopping someone at county boundaries, pure intimidation.

Penfailed · 01-10-2020 09:02PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

And yet youve been a dic* to me for months on this thread.

Double standards.

In all seriousness, I am happy that your views dont align with that of Nox. Less restrictions is more.

Calling you out on your nonsense is not being a dick. Sorry if I offended your sensibilities.

FintanMcluskey · 01-10-2020 09:04PM

Penfailed wrote: »

I left my level 3 county 3 times so far this week. Tomorrow will be the fourth time. I was stopped by the guards entering the county again on Monday evening. She asked me the nature of my journey and I told her that I was on my way home from work. No issues.

Sounds like a police state almost;)

Penfailed · 01-10-2020 09:04PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

If they stop you just to ask where you’re going then they started it. Absolutely no legal reason for them to be stopping someone at county boundaries, pure intimidation.

They're allowed to stop anyone, anywhere. It's part of their job. Oh, and it was at the border with the north.

Penfailed · 01-10-2020 09:05PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Sounds like a police state almost;)

Ginger n Lemon · 01-10-2020 09:07PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Sounds like a police state almost;)

Penfailed driving home be like

weldoninhio · 01-10-2020 09:09PM

Penfailed wrote: »

They're allowed to stop anyone, anywhere. It's part of their job. Oh, and it was at the border with the north.

Not without a reason they’re not.

Penfailed · 01-10-2020 09:15PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Not without a reason they’re not.

They can't set up random checkpoints? I don't think you know what you're talking about.

PTH2009 · 01-10-2020 09:17PM

Some job trying to enforce social distancing in Dundalk tonight

Dundalk FC Into the group stages of the Europa league. I wonder will the government let more supporters into the home games

_Kaiser_ · 01-10-2020 09:23PM

It seems one Dublin restaurant group has had enough anyway

One of Dublin’s biggest restaurant groups has threatened the Government with legal action if it extends coronavirus restrictions on pubs and restaurants in the capital beyond October 10th.

Lawyers for Press Up group, which employs 1,800 people across five hotels, 12 bars, 27 restaurants and two cinemas, have written to Government, saying Minister for Health Stephen Donnelly has published “no empirical, objective and verifiable evidence” to support the closures.

The group has said that if the restrictions are extended, it “will be left with no alternative; but to issue proceedings in respect of the laws bearing on operation of their premises as a last resort”.

About time. Let's see now how well the Government's/NPHET's "evidence" holds up.

hynesie08 · 01-10-2020 09:27PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

It seems one Dublin restaurant group has had enough anyway

About time. Let's see now how well the Government's/NPHET's "evidence" holds up.

On one hand I'm glad somebody is putting them to the sword

On the other, Dublin would be a better place if press up disappeared tomorrow...

01-10-2020 09:53PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Not without a reason they’re not.

They don’t need a reason, they can stop who ever they want whenever they want. How do you think checkpoints are allowed?

01-10-2020 09:54PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

It seems one Dublin restaurant group has had enough anyway

About time. Let's see now how well the Government's/NPHET's "evidence" holds up.

Good luck to them, their case will go in the bin. You would have to laugh at the arrogance of them thinking they can take on the state who are taking very necessary steps in the middle of a pandemic.

I wonder how much of the virus they would spread across that many venues?

Strumms · 01-10-2020 09:57PM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

What kind of bubble are you living in that you think your standards will have equal importance for someone living week to week in a precarious industry, as opposed to those unaffected financially and even financially better off? No worries about feeding, clothing and educating the kids and keeping a roof over their heads? Can afford all the standards you want.

Miniscule risk for majority of society, but maximum suffering for those that can least afford it.

Everyone is living week to week, in terms of just existing. Its putting food on the table, paying bills and getting on as best we can.

The priority for EVERYONE needs to be not contracting and not spreading covid. Being cautious, careful and health minded 100% of the time... if you are going back to a fûcking bedsit or a six bedroom mansion, you still have a duty of care to do the right thing.

Certainly some folks are doing it in more comfort but them is the breaks.

hynesie08 · 01-10-2020 10:00PM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Good luck to them, their case will go in the bin. You would have to laugh at the arrogance of them thinking they can take on the state who are taking very necessary steps in the middle of a pandemic.

I wonder how much of the virus they would spread across that many venues?

3/10, argument lacks research and a basic understanding of law, try again and turn it in tomorrow...

01-10-2020 10:13PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

3/10, argument lacks research and a basic understanding of law, try again and turn it in tomorrow...

Let’s see how far they get.

growleaves · 01-10-2020 10:21PM

Solicitor: "There are a number of constitutional issues which we would like to address to this court, beginning with.."

Government: "We're in the middle of a pandemic."

Judge: "You said the magic words. Case dismissed"

hynesie08 · 01-10-2020 10:24PM

growleaves wrote: »

Solicitor: "There are a number of constitutional issues which we would like to address to this court, beginning with.."

Government: "We're in the middle of a pandemic."

Judge: "You said the magic words. Case dismissed"

So the pandemic supersedes the law? Interesting?

weldoninhio · 01-10-2020 10:25PM

Penfailed wrote: »

They can't set up random checkpoints? I don't think you know what you're talking about.

Checkpoints have a purpose. They can’t just stop someone or pull someone over without a reason. I know exactly what I’m talking about.

hynesie08 · 01-10-2020 10:26PM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Let’s see how far they get.

Chances are they'll be back open before this sees sight or sound of a courtroom, but you're comment was still ignorant..... "in the bin"..... Any backup for that claim???

weldoninhio · 01-10-2020 10:27PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

It seems one Dublin restaurant group has had enough anyway

About time. Let's see now how well the Government's/NPHET's "evidence" holds up.

I’m guessing it’ll be the same weasel words they gave Ryanair, we never said you had to close, it was just a guideline.

growleaves · 01-10-2020 10:28PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

So the pandemic supersedes the law? Interesting?

To be clear my post is a spoof of the authority the phrase "in the middle of a pandemic" has taken on for many people.

hynesie08 · 01-10-2020 10:29PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I’m guessing it’ll be the same weasel words they gave Ryanair, we never said you had to close, it was just a guideline.

Licences have been renewed, it would be interesting to see them do that with their main threat taken away......

Quantum Erasure · 01-10-2020 10:30PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

3/10, argument lacks research and a basic understanding of law, try again and turn it in tomorrow...

Is what the judge would say, if it ever got that far

hynesie08 · 01-10-2020 10:30PM

growleaves wrote: »

To be clear my post is a spoof of the authority the phrase "in the middle of a pandemic" has taken on for many people.

Then I apologise, hard to tell who's being serious about what these days.....

Assetbacked · 01-10-2020 10:30PM

Related to the Press Up litigation is the FBD test case due to be heard soon, where pubs are suing FBD for not paying out for business interruption.

The UK courts found against the insurance companies in similar test cases recently.

You can bet that, should the court rule in favour of FBD, there will be murder from the publicans directed at the insurance companies and politicians.

Gael23 · 01-10-2020 10:30PM

Do they have a valid case?

Captain_Crash · 01-10-2020 10:31PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

So the pandemic supersedes the law? Interesting?

The Supreme Court adjudged on something similar in 2011 using the proportionality test derived from existing case law. Without going into nuances of the case/judgement itself (because I can’t for the life of me remember the details) they ruled that government actions in relation to a national emergancy et al must be proportionate!

Surely any legal challenge would use this test! This isn’t the place to debate if the actions are or are not proportionate, but there is atleast precedent in the Irish legal system!

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings