Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

bodhrandude · 01-10-2020 06:01PM

Hector Savage wrote: »

****in scum

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-54377722

They still seemed to be masking up anyway, its mental looking at crammed crowds like that again, I missed all that this year with all the music festivals cancelled, but it did feel a little Electric Picnicy in Galway on Monday near the Sparch with the students, the only thing missing was the cool marquees and stages.

Gael23 · 01-10-2020 06:02PM

froog wrote: »

we need at least level 3 countrywide TONIGHT. what the bloody hell are they waiting for??

Who is going to pay for it?

JP Liz V1 · 01-10-2020 06:03PM

kingshankly wrote: »

No doubt someone will find the positives from today’s numbers 😓

442 positives

tobefrank321 · 01-10-2020 06:03PM

prunudo wrote: »

It is certainly the elephant in the room but few people are afraid to publicly at least spell it out. Saw another post on fb earlier from a woman in her 30s describing how it showed no mercy and she'd been in icu for 3 weeks, struggling to breathe, praising the hospital staff for their work etc. Basically fishing for likes.
Dig a bit deeper and you'll see she wouldn't be out of place as a contestant on operation transformation. May be harsh but its the truth, people need to start facing up to the facts that what you put into your mouth has a knock on effect to how healthy you are.

Its stories like this which completely undermine shielding the most at risk and let everyone else live with it approach.

RTE and other media continually publish misleading stories about people who ended up in ICU claiming they had no underlying conditions when its obvious they are seriously obese or had other conditions.

We know that unless you are very overweight or suffer some other chronic conditions you're chances of ending up in ICU are miniscule. You're more chance of being seriously injured in a car accident.

shinzon · 01-10-2020 06:03PM

Quite obvious now that people have just given up and are not following public health advice, unless the public start buying into this again and cop themselves on then we are staring into the abyss of a very bleak winter. I really hope there is time to turn this around before the health service really is over whelmed with both flu and covid tbh.

Shin

niallo27 · 01-10-2020 06:03PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Really is uncontrolled spread now

Its not great but its still 1 in every 12k today, I wouldn't exactly classify that as uncontrollable. What will people be saying when its 5k a day.

froog · 01-10-2020 06:03PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Who is going to pay for it?

i don't care. this is about actual lives. people are dying every day and it's going to get worse. save lives first, worry about money later.

branie2 · 01-10-2020 06:04PM

Extremely high!

ACitizenErased · 01-10-2020 06:04PM

froog wrote: »

i don't care. this is about actual lives. people are dying every day and it's going to get worse. save lives first, worry about money later.

If the economy collapses, so will the health service, they're not mutually exclusive.

TexasTornado · 01-10-2020 06:04PM

froog wrote: »

we need at least level 3 countrywide TONIGHT. what the bloody hell are they waiting for??

The government look like a deer in the headlights.

Spanish Eyes · 01-10-2020 06:04PM

Am usually an optimist, but this thing is not going anywhere in fact it is going upwards.

What can be done? What is causing it?

Why are other countries around Europe managing fine (Spain excepted at the moment but they allowed everything to open till all hours).

It is quite worrying really, there is only so much we can do. Holohan is back next week, so brace for full on lockdown methinks.

stephenjmcd · 01-10-2020 06:05PM

froog wrote: »

we need at least level 3 countrywide TONIGHT. what the bloody hell are they waiting for??

Already been explained multiple times today, case numbers are not the main metric anymore.

They of course feed into thinking but local public health officials play a big role. If they know where the cases are coming from and are happy that they are contained then thats a major point, if its uncontrolled community spread then the area gets attention.

More emphasis being put on the local public health teams it would appear.

Benimar · 01-10-2020 06:05PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Its not great but its still 1 in every 12k today, I wouldn't exactky classify that as uncontrollable. What will people be saying when its 5k a day.

I’m sure some will say ‘at least we kept it below 10k’ :rolleyes:

Boggles · 01-10-2020 06:05PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Is it ridiculous to suggest increased testing has resulted in increase cases across Europe?
That seems to be the only common denominator over the past two months.

Yes, utterly.

TexasTornado · 01-10-2020 06:05PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Its not great but its still 1 in every 12k today, I wouldn't exactky classify that as uncontrollable. What will people be saying when its 5k a day.

Well you will probably still be talking about going to the pub.

Dwight356 · 01-10-2020 06:05PM

Please irish government close the bookies. No social distancing or mask wearing and people can stay there all day #Covid19Ireland

ProfessorPlum · 01-10-2020 06:05PM

marno21 wrote: »

Sounds like a good time to invoke the Defense Production Act in the US and any other associated legal methods worldwide.

I believe there is something like this being done in the US under Operation Warp Speed.

Good article from back in May warning about a global glass vial shortage - could take 2 years to manufacture the supply needed.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-vaccine-glass-vial-shortage-could-delay-global-rollout-2020-5%3famp

ACitizenErased · 01-10-2020 06:06PM

Not sure why people are calling it 'uncontrollable'. Prof. Nolan clearly said yesterday community transmission remains stable.

froog · 01-10-2020 06:06PM

TexasTornado wrote: »

The government look like a deer in the headlights.

i would imagine NEPHET are quite clear and decisive but their recommendations are being endlessly debated and watered down by multiple useless committees and politicians terrified of making hard decisions.

What Username Guidelines · 01-10-2020 06:06PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Is it ridiculous to suggest increased testing has resulted in increase cases across Europe?
That seems to be the only common denominator over the past two months.

The best gauge is probably positivity rate, within a bound of sufficient testing (i.e if you only do 4 tests one day, that's not enough, obviously). It's not ideal but probably the best picture we can get. It's creeping up from <1% to >3%, but nowhere near the rates we saw in April. Whether we'd consider the testing level sufficient is another call. When using positivity rate as a gauge, you also need to presume that the targeting of testing is consistent - we know in April that people needed 2 symptoms which will push up positivity rate, whereas now the criteria has been widened, pushing it down.

Lots of factors but I do think positivity rate and hospitalisations are the best metrics of a bad bunch tbh.

tobefrank321 · 01-10-2020 06:06PM

froog wrote: »

we need at least level 3 countrywide TONIGHT. what the bloody hell are they waiting for??

Deaths are still low. And some of those who died may have died from something else but also had covid - why its often called died with covid.

ICU numbers are sill low.

And the vast majority of people being infected are young and low risk.

Shutting down would do more harm than good at this stage.

We have to learn to live with this.

niallo27 · 01-10-2020 06:07PM

TexasTornado wrote: »

Well you will probably still be talking about going to the pub.

Hopefully.

stephenjmcd · 01-10-2020 06:07PM

froog wrote: »

i don't care. this is about actual lives. people are dying every day and it's going to get worse. save lives first, worry about money later.

Unfortunately that's not how it goes.

No money = no health service.

Whatever about borrowing large amounts of money that can't go on indefinitely.

As much as people say separate economy and health service you can't, they aren't mutually exclusive

ElTel · 01-10-2020 06:07PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Is it ridiculous to suggest increased testing has resulted in increase cases across Europe?
That seems to be the only common denominator over the past two months.

Yes in the main. Test more you'll find more.
Countries are perhaps not giving enough weight to back tracing/contact tracing asymptomatic cases.

Real Donald Trump · 01-10-2020 06:08PM

shinzon wrote: »

Quite obvious now that people have just given up and are not following public health advice, unless the public start buying into this again and cop themselves on then we are staring into the abyss of a very bleak winter. I really hope there is time to turn this around before the health service really is over whelmed with both flu and covid tbh.

Shin

The Gov and the Hse have had months to prepare, and have done absolutely nothing.

stephenjmcd · 01-10-2020 06:08PM

froog wrote: »

i would imagine NEPHET are quite clear and decisive but their recommendations are being endlessly debated and watered down by multiple useless committees and politicians terrified of making hard decisions.

Well NPHET didn't recommend any additional level 3 restrictions according to reports this evening so they've not exactly been watered down today

TexasTornado · 01-10-2020 06:09PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Am usually an optimist, but this thing is not going anywhere in fact it is going upwards.

What can be done? What is causing it?

Why are other countries around Europe managing fine (Spain excepted at the moment but they allowed everything to open till all hours).

It is quite worrying really, there is only so much we can do. Holohan is back next week, so brace for full on lockdown methinks.

We have people on this very site talking about how it's "great too see" the goings on in Galway the other night and how anyone worried about this virus is a curtain twitcher etc.... I'm a glass half full kind of guy but these attitudes worry me greatly. If this attitude is representative of the general view in Ireland we haven't a chance this winter of controlling this thing.

niallo27 · 01-10-2020 06:09PM

Any news on the ages of the people that died, we have figures on everything else.

Santy2015 · 01-10-2020 06:09PM

Seems some here would love to keep paying PUP to people who unnecessarily lose their jobs because of this! Our economy is in poor shape. We can’t keep the lockup open up culture going!

Plumbthedepths · 01-10-2020 06:09PM

froog wrote: »

i would imagine NEPHET are quite clear and decisive but their recommendations are being endlessly debated and watered down by multiple useless committees and politicians terrified of making hard decisions.

It is the job of government to balance several different factors not just health before they move on restrictions from Nphet. I'm of the opinion that if Nphet was running the country we would still be in the lockdown we entered in March.

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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