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Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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  • Site Banned Posts: 2,225 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    There's no great economic cost to household restrictions. So I'm not at all surprised to see them used.

    Unfortunately, if Glasgow is anything to go by, then there's no great benefit to them either.


  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Bollocks. We are not stabilising.

    Maybe there's loads of false tests (false negative/positive or whatever they call them) and most of them got it months ago, along with thousands more of us who also got it but don't know cos we weren't tested. :P


  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    I'd say it is very unlikely that population at this stage will suddenly row in with continuing restrictions just because he's back. Restriction fatigue is well and truly in place at this stage and no going back imo.
    Ger Roe wrote: »
    I disagree. People will fall in line when it begins to affect them, or those around them. Unfortunately, the effects will be well underway by then.


    But there likely will not be many people actually affected by it, or have people around them affected by it. This is the nature of it. Most people are ok. So the vast proportion of society isn't really seeing personal impact of this virus, and will therefore, and have therefore, contracted restriction fatigue. Even when figures ramp up possibly, unless there is mass contagion, but simple social distancing and hand washing should stop that happening. imo.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    OscarMIlde wrote: »
    Except we don't have a bullet proof targeted treatment for covid. Doctors do know more now about warning signs and measures to mitigate against some of the effects of covid, especially with regard the risks of thrombotic events. But recovery seems very prolonged, and people can take weeks to recover enough to leave ICU if they are unlucky enough to end up there (and lucky enough to survive). I don't think any amount of resources would be enough to cope with uncontrolled spread throughout the country. Certainly not the amount lost due to restrictions.

    I wasn't suggesting that we would have uncontrolled spread. If the government had beefed up the health service so that it was better able to cope then people would have been responsive when asked to protect the health service and voluntarily take measures to control the spread. Instead, we are being asked to keep case numbers down (so our unfit-for-purpose health system can attempt to cope).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 522 ✭✭✭ax530


    Think it would be better to give the message as 'vistitors from one other household only' adding in count of 6 makes gives wiggle room in that "well if you can have 6 from one house why not 2 eash from a different house" type attitude
    in fairness if 6+ people live together doubt they often go out visiting others all together. Presume most student houses are <6 also.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭mountgomery burns



    Don't recall seeing that before to be honest, I'd say it's a recent amendment


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 lethalJB


    Deshawn wrote: »
    Where are you getting this information

    Basically it's the changes from yesterday to today which is used to get the information

    Here is a screenshot showing them.

    screenshot-2020-10-01-16-38-51-829-me-webalert.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Deshawn wrote: »
    Thanks. But it says 429 cases not 511 or 531 and they are yesterday figures

    What am I missing

    429 is yesterdays case numbers

    There is a total number of positive tests on that page. If you note the number each day and subtract it from today you see the number of positive tests in last 24 hrs. This does not mean new cases though, as some may be re-tests, but it's impossible to figure out what % are new cases, so it's assumed most of them. This figure gives an indication of the cases that may come this evening. But as we've seen, it can be way off for a few days, creating a backlog of potential unannounced cases, then you'll get a big number of cases announced (mostly on Tuesdays), what people refer here to as "Clearing the backlog"


  • Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    this kind of unknowingly rampant transmission proves Dr Feenys point..there's no getting this to Zero any more, it's not doable and especially not with the personal advisor saturated government we have at the helm,

    I think they're bringing Tony back next week as they feel he should be the one to break the bad news...it wont be received well, if Tony or the milky bar kid breaks the national airwaves to cancel Xmas!


    https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/newsireland/one-couple-30-cases-heres-what-the-statistics-tell-us-about-where-ireland-is-right-now-with-covid-19/ar-BB19Bsfd?li=BBr5KbJ


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Derek Zoolander


    NH2013 wrote: »
    The timeline was posted only 3 pages back:

    BmgBLhg.jpg

    The first 3 western vaccines are on target for approval by mid November, with two more due by the start of March, only 6 months away from now.

    In addition the first 3 of those western vaccines have already begun production and manufacturing at risk, for the past few months, and have a large number of doses ready to go, so likely if we can get enough to prioritise those here over 65, or ~640,000 people and get them vaccinated over the next 5 months from November-April, that should allow for a full reopening by the end of March, early April and the remainder vaccinated over the course of the following 12 months.

    Also both China and Russia have commenced large scale vaccinations of their citizens using their own vaccines, with the UAE also now commencing vaccinations using the Chinese vaccine, this will certainly help reduce demand on the supplies of the western vaccines and potentially increase supply of theirs if the EU/USA are happy with the data provided by those vaccines as the months go on.

    Moderna won't be ready for Q4 approval...

    also likely AZ won't be 2020 in US anyway... leaving Pfizer as the only show in town for 2020...

    The FDA has expanded its investigation into AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine to include data from clinical trials of prophylactics based on the same viral vector platform, Reuters reports.

    AstraZeneca quickly gained regulatory clearance to resume dosing in the U.K. part of its development program after a case of transverse myelitis triggered a clinical hold. Regulators in Brazil, India and South Africa have also given AstraZeneca the green light to resume. However, the U.S. phase 3 is still on hold.

    The FDA reportedly wants to see data from trials of similar vaccines before lifting the clinical hold. AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine AZD1222 was created by a team at the University of Oxford that previously used the same ChAdOx1 engineered chimpanzee adenovirus in other prophylactics designed to offer protection against infectious diseases including Chikungunya virus, seasonal influenza, malaria, Middle East respiratory syndrome, tuberculosis and Zika virus.


    The J&J, Novovax and GSK ones are not RNA based and leverage existing platforms so in theory could have an easier route to approval...but 2020 looking less likely for vaccine approvals...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    RTE website continues to only publish negative outcomes from covid with no balance about positive outcomes or asymptomatic individuals.

    Ludicrously one guy claims to have had no underlying conditions whatsoever yet he's clearly obese in his photo. How can they fail to understand obesity is one of the major underlying conditions a full 10 months into this?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    rusty cole wrote: »
    this kind of unknowingly rampant transmission proves Dr Feenys point..there's no getting this to Zero any more, it's not doable and especially not with the personal advisor saturated government we have at the helm,

    I think they're bringing Tony back next week as they feel he should be the one to break the bad news...it wont be received well, if Tony or the milky bar kid breaks the national airwaves to cancel Xmas!


    https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/newsireland/one-couple-30-cases-heres-what-the-statistics-tell-us-about-where-ireland-is-right-now-with-covid-19/ar-BB19Bsfd?li=BBr5KbJ
    That couple were/are havin one heluva social life...........but how many actually got sick?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    RTE website continues to only publish negative outcomes from covid with no balance about positive outcomes or asymptomatic individuals.

    Ludicrously one guy claims to have had no underlying conditions whatsoever yet he's clearly obese in his photo. How can they fail to understand obesity is one of the major underlying conditions a full 10 months into this?

    Good news doesn't bring in traffic for revenue. All news companies are the same apart from a few that have chosen to share good news only and they make their dough from the overly anxious but its niche.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,037 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    RTE website continues to only publish negative outcomes from covid with no balance about positive outcomes or asymptomatic individuals.

    Ludicrously one guy claims to have had no underlying conditions whatsoever yet he's clearly obese in his photo. How can they fail to understand obesity is one of the major underlying conditions a full 10 months into this?


    I think by showing the fat lad they are saying fat = more at risk without actually having to say it if you get my meaning.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,754 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Have heard AstraZeneca and probably others having trouble getting hold of medical grade glass vials. Not surprising if that is so - everyone will be looking for supplies, particularly if three vaccines are in production pre qualification.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,815 ✭✭✭Royale with Cheese


    RTE website continues to only publish negative outcomes from covid with no balance about positive outcomes or asymptomatic individuals.

    Ludicrously one guy claims to have had no underlying conditions whatsoever yet he's clearly obese in his photo. How can they fail to understand obesity is one of the major underlying conditions a full 10 months into this?

    They've two scare/sob story articles on their site with a date of today. Interestingly they appear to have stopped posting links to them on their Twitter feed so nobody can post any comments questioning them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    That couple were/are havin one heluva social life...........but how many actually got sick?
    It's in the headline -30 people. A close contact example recently went to a house party and 20 cases came out of that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    They've two scare/sob story articles on their site with a date of today. Interestingly they appear to have stopped posting links to them on their Twitter feed so nobody can post any comments questioning them.

    They're definitely not doing that with the intentions you mention.

    They'd only love people commenting on their social media posts because it gets them more traction. The tone of comments mean nothing when it comes to social media as long as they're coming in. Have you never noticed that pages will purposely post controversial stuff to light up the comment section? Even a steak will be cooked near raw to have people go nuts in the comments.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,208 ✭✭✭screamer


    Passed the covid testing centre in the county earlier. I’ve been past it a few times in the past and at most I’ve seen one car waiting. Today there were 7. I guess it was just a visual reminder that we’re testing a lot more than before.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,363 ✭✭✭prunudo


    RTE website continues to only publish negative outcomes from covid with no balance about positive outcomes or asymptomatic individuals.

    Ludicrously one guy claims to have had no underlying conditions whatsoever yet he's clearly obese in his photo. How can they fail to understand obesity is one of the major underlying conditions a full 10 months into this?

    It is certainly the elephant in the room but few people are afraid to publicly at least spell it out. Saw another post on fb earlier from a woman in her 30s describing how it showed no mercy and she'd been in icu for 3 weeks, struggling to breathe, praising the hospital staff for their work etc. Basically fishing for likes.
    Dig a bit deeper and you'll see she wouldn't be out of place as a contestant on operation transformation. May be harsh but its the truth, people need to start facing up to the facts that what you put into your mouth has a knock on effect to how healthy you are.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    They've two scare/sob story articles on their site with a date of today. Interestingly they appear to have stopped posting links to them on their Twitter feed so nobody can post any comments questioning them.

    Also look at the headline, which says "You may not die, but six months of life robbed"

    Like people already haven't been robbed of six months due to restrictions? And looking like another 6 or possibly more.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,976 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    They've two scare/sob story articles on their site with a date of today. Interestingly they appear to have stopped posting links to them on their Twitter feed so nobody can post any comments questioning them.
    They are not putting up much about schools. I think infections are gone widespread in schools now but nobody is reporting anything.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    eagle eye wrote: »
    They are not putting up much about schools. I think infections are gone widespread in schools now but nobody is reporting anything.
    Data in a story from 2 days ago - Reid's visit to the Oireachtas Committee.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0928/1168063-paul-reid-covid-committee/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Also look at the headline, which says "You may not die, but six months of life robbed"

    Like people already haven't been robbed of six months due to restrictions? And looking like another 6 or possibly more.
    It's a fairly obvious attempt to alarm those who might view COVID in the past tense and an inconvenience to their social life. If you're not in that group it's little more than just a story.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,762 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    eagle eye wrote: »
    They are not putting up much about schools. I think infections are gone widespread in schools now but nobody is reporting anything.

    From today
    https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1311687805345636353?s=19

    https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1311693433367678976?s=19


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭ElTel


    I think they have to start incorporating the CT number of positive asymptomatic cases in the detective work of origin and contact tracing.
    Concentrate the effort in these cases with PCR positives <30.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 15,073 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Have heard AstraZeneca and probably others having trouble getting hold of medical grade glass vials. Not surprising if that is so - everyone will be looking for supplies, particularly if three vaccines are in production pre qualification.
    Sounds like a good time to invoke the Defense Production Act in the US and any other associated legal methods worldwide.

    I believe there is something like this being done in the US under Operation Warp Speed.


  • Site Banned Posts: 2,225 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Great article about the mean and the average. Sure to be a hit on here.

    https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1311691170628751361?s=21


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  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭Limpy


    What wave of covid will governments finally throw covid under the bus? This time next year when vaccines are only seasonal?


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