Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings

3xh · 01-10-2020 09:12AM

CruelSummer wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1001/1168634-nphet-update-covid/

So NPHET to meet & decide re further Restrictions, not Government, not a cross party body of experts. Just NPHET - who will then leak to media before it even reaches the cabinet sub-committee or cabinet. What a pathetic state of affairs.

Don’t lose sight of the fact this understanding absolutely suits Michael, Leo and Eamon.

The 3 and their parties will still be responsible for whatever happens eventually. I am no fan of NPHET and Glynn but don’t allow the government makes scapegoats out of NPHET and that in-between committee that repackages the NPHET advice.

Ginger n Lemon · 01-10-2020 09:15AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Isnt it a miracle, that we know some fella had a house party and caused 30 cases and the following day he caused another outbreak eating a sandwich.

But when it comes to relevant data about 20 ICU cases that data cant be obtained

Staggering

Fintan - thats a post if not of the year, then definitely of last 6 months of 2020.

Its outrageous. This wont last much longer, Saturday Fintan, customs house, be there or be watching RTE and I know you dont watch that shi*e :pac:

kippy · 01-10-2020 09:21AM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Make a few big examples of people, publicise it and the majority won’t be long towing the line out of fear. Go to a house party with paddy wagons, everyone there a night in the cells and a 500 euro fine each going home the next day. Do this randomly a few times and I can tell you people would think twice about a house party.

It won’t happen though as we are soft on crime at every level, the guards, the courts etc.

Not feasible at all.

(I do agree that we are a bit too soft on "actual" repeat offender criminals) but heavy handedness for this type of stuff is not the way to be successful and will only lead to issues.

bucketybuck · 01-10-2020 09:24AM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Did you actually read my post? I am alone in my section I would refuse to go in otherwise. I also do have some work that can’t be done from home, it was easy to postpone during lockdown etc and most of my job can easily be done from home but it now has to get done.

Its a disgrace, all of us trying to do our best to stop the spread of this virus, putting our lives on hold for months on end and yet here we have selfish people who are so self absorbed and self important that they ignorantly decide to go into work anyway, even when they don't need to.

Do you work in a hospital, were you saving lives? No you weren't, so don't give me that spiel about what "has to get done".

Shame on you, it is people like you that are hurting our pandemic response every day, this virus is never going away when selfish, self important hypocrites are acting like this.

weldoninhio · 01-10-2020 09:28AM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Did you actually read my post? I am alone in my section I would refuse to go in otherwise. I also do have some work that can’t be done from home, it was easy to postpone during lockdown etc and most of my job can easily be done from home but it now has to get done.

And if you are involved in an RTA or something, you'd be happy taking up one of our limited hospital beds, in the middle of a pandemic with flu season fast approaching? How selfish. All in the name of profit!! Disgusting.

3xh · 01-10-2020 09:30AM

It’s never going away regardless, bucketybuck.

Ginger n Lemon · 01-10-2020 09:45AM

Government publishes new voluntary code of conduct on commercial rents

The Government has urged commercial landlords to provide “concessions” such as rent reductions and rent-free periods to tenants struggling to meet their financial obligaitons as a result of the Covid-19 crisis.

The request is part of a new voluntary code of conduct on commercial rents and comes amid a pick-up in disputes over rents arising from the pandemic.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/commercial-landlords-urged-to-make-concessions-to-struggling-businesses-1.4369352?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fbusiness%2Fcommercial-property%2Fcommercial-landlords-urged-to-make-concessions-to-struggling-businesses-1.4369352

Absolutely pathetic. Makes my blood boil of how useless these politicians really are.

01-10-2020 09:50AM

Jackman25 wrote: »

Do you not normally work in an office and on a laptop/pc?

I imagine your some sort of software developer and like a lot of them, think you are a rockstar and irreplaceable to your company. They are a dime a dozen.

Normally working at a laptop in an office does not make you an office drone - office drone implies mindless data entry or similar.

bucketybuck wrote: »

Its a disgrace, all of us trying to do our best to stop the spread of this virus, putting our lives on hold for months on end and yet here we have selfish people who are so self absorbed and self important that they ignorantly decide to go into work anyway, even when they don't need to.

Do you work in a hospital, were you saving lives? No you weren't, so don't give me that spiel about what "has to get done".

Shame on you, it is people like you that are hurting our pandemic response every day, this virus is never going away when selfish, self important hypocrites are acting like this.

weldoninhio wrote: »

And if you are involved in an RTA or something, you'd be happy taking up one of our limited hospital beds, in the middle of a pandemic with flu season fast approaching? How selfish. All in the name of profit!! Disgusting.

0/10

weldoninhio · 01-10-2020 09:54AM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Normally working at a laptop in an office does not make you an office drone - office drone implies mindless data entry or similar.

0/10

You trying to make out that there is zero risk of you being involved in a traffic accident??

01-10-2020 09:55AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

You trying to make out that there is zero risk of you being involved in a traffic accident??

I was referring to your trolling effort.

3xh · 01-10-2020 09:55AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Isnt it a miracle, that we know some fella had a house party and caused 30 cases and the following day he caused another outbreak eating a sandwich.

But when it comes to relevant data about 20 ICU cases that data cant be obtained

Staggering

Indeed. Here’s an indo article on NPHET’s tracking. https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/its-rising-everywhere-this-is-a-message-for-all-age-groups-health-chiefs-warn-as-429-new-cases-and-one-further-death-confirmed-39576765.html

In it, it refers to a couple going away. Between one thing and another, they end up in a restaurant. 6 people at the table beside them (unrelated) are contact traced for testing after that couple test positive. All 6 at that other party‘s table test positive.

The article makes it out that those 6 are innocent victims of those careless people going away for the weekend. How does NPHET know it was those two that passed it on? Could it have not come from someone at the table of 6? Maybe a close contact of one of those 6?

And as we know more definitively now, those PCR tests could be picking up old virus remnants as much as infectious examples.

Absolute piss poor journalism. Cut and paste reporting from the NPHET public relations office.

We are absolutely being lied to.

Here’s the specific bit...... ‘In one, 30 cases arose after a couple went away for weekend break. They went to a house party where six out of eight people became infected.

The outbreak included an incident where six people sitting at a table in a restaurant adjacent to one of those infected all later tested positive for Covid-19.’

01-10-2020 10:03AM

3xh wrote: »

Indeed. Here’s an indo article on NPHET’s tracking. https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/its-rising-everywhere-this-is-a-message-for-all-age-groups-health-chiefs-warn-as-429-new-cases-and-one-further-death-confirmed-39576765.html

In it, it refers to a couple going away. Between one thing and another, they end up in a restaurant. 6 people at the table beside them (unrelated) are contact traced for testing after that couple test positive. All 6 at that other party‘s table test positive.

The article makes it out that those 6 are innocent victims of those careless people going away for the weekend. How does NPHET know it was those two that passed it on? Could it have not come from someone at the table of 6? Maybe a close contact of one of those 6?

And as we know more definitively now, those PCR tests could be picking up old virus remnants as much as infectious examples.

Absolute piss poor journalism. Cut and paste reporting from the NPHET public relations office.

We are absolutely being lied to.

Here’s the specific bit...... ‘In one, 30 cases arose after a couple went away for weekend break. They went to a house party where six out of eight people became infected.

The outbreak included an incident where six people sitting at a table in a restaurant adjacent to one of those infected all later tested positive for Covid-19.’

You are reaching new levels of clutching at straws to find ways to complain about NEPHET :rolleyes:

Sad really and scary to think there might be more like you out there sabotaging our efforts to stop the virus spread.

weldoninhio · 01-10-2020 10:03AM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

I was referring to your trolling effort.

Who's trolling. You are risking taking up a hospital, and possible ICU bed by driving into work. All for profit. RTAs take place every day. You don't even have to do something wrong, you could be hit by a drunk/drugged driver etc.

facehugger99 · 01-10-2020 10:06AM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Ha ha standard office drone, you haven’t a clue what I do and it’s so far from office drone you couldn’t even imagine.

Do you fight crime while wearing some type of cape?

3xh · 01-10-2020 10:06AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Who's trolling. You are risking taking up a hospital, and possible ICU bed by driving into work. All for profit. RTAs take place every day. You don't even have to do something wrong, you could be hit by a drunk/drugged driver etc.

Tbf nox, that exact reason/example was given by the government/NPHET at the start of all this.

You do appear to be going against their advice. Probably best you don’t do that again.

01-10-2020 10:06AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Who's trolling. You are risking taking up a hospital, and possible ICU bed by driving into work. All for profit. RTAs take place every day. You don't even have to do something wrong, you could be hit by a drunk/drugged driver etc.

Says the lad going to house parties, pubs and driving down the country to go drinking :rolleyes:.

3xh wrote: »

Tbf nox, that exact reason/example was given by the government/NPHET at the start of all this.

You do appear to be going against their advice. Probably best you don’t do that again.

I'm not going against their advise, I have been working from home 99% of the time since the start of the year never mind since lockdown. I have a small number of things I do as part of my job which require being onsite they cannot be done from home so only if working on this I have come in (to an empty section of the building) to complete some of these tasks and only in the last two weeks. This is not going against any advice even at level 3 and we are at level 2. I bring my lunch and most days have little or no interaction or even see anyone else from a distance, don't use public transport, don't sit in cafes for lunch etc etc.

We don't plan on pulling the card and didn't in the lockdown but our work is technically considered essential also based on the governments own definitions.

3xh · 01-10-2020 10:07AM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

You are reaching new levels of clutching at straws to find ways to complain about NEPHET :rolleyes:

Sad really and scary to think there might be more like you out there sabotaging our efforts to stop the virus spread.

You think that contact tracing example is ‘sound’?

Ginger n Lemon · 01-10-2020 10:11AM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Says the lad going to house parties, pubs and driving down the country to go drinking :rolleyes:.

I'm not going against their advise, I have been working from home 99% of the time since the start of the year never mind since lockdown. I have a small number of things I do as part of my job which require being onsite they cannot be done from home so only if working on this I have come in (to an empty section of the building) to complete some of these tasks. This is not going against any advice even at level 3 and we are at level 2. I bring my lunch and most days have little or no interaction or even see anyone else from a distance.

So long story short - you have a job, you are unaffected by businesses told to shut down, you havent yet had any tax increases to deal with and all in all you save on commute.

Noxxy no wonder you want more lockdowns

jackal · 01-10-2020 10:13AM

"This message is hidden because Leroy Clever Semicolon is on your ignore list." ahh that's better.

weldoninhio · 01-10-2020 10:16AM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Says the lad going to house parties, pubs and driving down the country to go drinking :rolleyes:.

I'm not going against their advise, I have been working from home 99% of the time since the start of the year never mind since lockdown. I have a small number of things I do as part of my job which require being onsite they cannot be done from home so only if working on this I have come in (to an empty section of the building) to complete some of these tasks. This is not going against any advice even at level 3 and we are at level 2. I bring my lunch and most days have little or no interaction or even see anyone else from a distance, don't use public transport, don't sit in cafes for lunch etc etc.

There have been no elderly OAPs at any house party I’ve been at. I don’t interact with elderly OAPs. Not sure if there’s been elderly OAPs in the pubs I’ve been in, but of so, they’ve chosen to be there. So none of my business. I don’t drive. I’ve been taking buses/trains. So none of the above is putting me at risk of taking up an ICU bed.

Advice was not to go to office unless it was ESSENTIAL. Why was your work so essential? I think you said earlier your an engineer or something, was there a bridge about to collapse unless you made it to your office?? Exactly how essential was it??

bucketybuck · 01-10-2020 10:21AM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

I was referring to your trolling effort.

Trolling?

How convenient. Rather than address your shameless hypocrisy, rather than justify your disgraceful disregard of the restrictions that you want everybody else to follow to the letter, instead you throw out a troll comment and hope that nobody notices.

Fully able to work from home in a non essential industry and yet you go into work anyway. You sir have no moral high ground to stand on.

bucketybuck · 01-10-2020 10:22AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

You trying to make out that there is zero risk of you being involved in a traffic accident??

Stats would show that people driving with alcohol in their system are indeed at increased risk of a road traffic accident.

paw patrol · 01-10-2020 10:48AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

So long story short - you have a job, you are unaffected by businesses told to shut down, you havent yet had any tax increases to deal with and all in all you save on commute.

Noxxy no wonder you want more lockdowns

Just to clarify - I am also in his position.

Working in my spare room , no travel hassle and with less days off (nothing to do on days off ) so I've more money..hot food on tap in my kitchen. I get extra sleep now too cos of no commute.
Gonna try milk that post covid too if I can

But i'm not blind nor heartless, I have friends and relatives who are being hurt badly by this financially. Even sectors like the trades seem open but so many rules/regulations in some place that it's hard to work as before.

On a personal level my 9 year old was saying yesterday how it's getting to him now. He's had limited GAA training and no boxing class since march as well as other things put on him like the obsessive rules in school.
Which btw is a joke cos these same kids all meet up after school and are in each others houses.

Only an absolute c8nt would want this to continue any longer.

01-10-2020 11:11AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Trolling?

How convenient. Rather than address your shameless hypocrisy, rather than justify your disgraceful disregard of the restrictions that you want everybody else to follow to the letter, instead you throw out a troll comment and hope that nobody notices.

Fully able to work from home in a non essential industry and yet you go into work anyway. You sir have no moral high ground to stand on.

I’ve already addressed all this.

I am respecting the guidelines far more than a lot a more than most.

01-10-2020 11:14AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

There have been no elderly OAPs at any house party I’ve been at. I don’t interact with elderly OAPs. Not sure if there’s been elderly OAPs in the pubs I’ve been in, but of so, they’ve chosen to be there. So none of my business. I don’t drive. I’ve been taking buses/trains. So none of the above is putting me at risk of taking up an ICU bed.
?

But this is what you are blind to, you are going to shops, you were on the train, you were in pubs, the people at the house party you are at this week could have elderly relatives and you pass them the virus from the house party you were at last week.

You need a serious dose of cop on and a big wake up call.

weldoninhio · 01-10-2020 11:16AM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

I’ve already addressed all this.

I am respecting the guidelines far more than a lot a more than most.

Far more, but not to the letter. Absolute hypocrite.

Don't Chute! · 01-10-2020 11:16AM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Ha ha standard office drone, you haven’t a clue what I do and it’s so far from office drone you couldn’t even imagine.

Also I’ve never claimed to be hiding under my bed. In fact I’ve been going into work the last week or so most days to catch up on some hands on work that was put on hold since the lockdown (I’m completely alone in my section of the building as the reset as still working from home or in on alternative days).

You are completely alone in your building because nobody else wants to be anywhere near you, listening to your ****e.

weldoninhio · 01-10-2020 11:17AM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

But this is what you are blind to, you are going to shops, you were on the train, you were in pubs, the people at the house party you are at this week could have elderly relatives and you pass them the virus from the house party you were at last week.

You need a serious dose of cop on and a big wake up call.

That's on them.

weldoninhio · 01-10-2020 11:17AM

jackal wrote: »

"This message is hidden because Paityn Fit Lion is on your ignore list." ahh that's better.

He's gone on mine now too. Such an absolute hypocrite.

01-10-2020 11:26AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Far more, but not to the letter. Absolute hypocrite.

Yes to the letter actually. The only thing you can pick on his occasionally going to work and at level 2 it’s attend work for “essential reasons” not “essential workers only”. What I’m doing is essential.

Also as I said before my work does officially fall under the essential work according to the governments own documentation but we are not acting on it yet anyway and remained fully closed until very recently.

Also as I said I’m interacting with no one so there is no risk. I usually do food shopping on the way home etc so even the trip would be made regardless so nonsense about RTAs etc is just that, nonsense.

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings