Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

sabat

weldoninhio wrote: »

You can see a massive change in people’s perception of the bug, online and in person. Previously if you spoke out about it not being as dangerous as was made out you were told to tighten the tinfoil hat, or called a Gemmaroid, or other nonsense. Now people are actually opening their eyes and can see that these restriction are absolutely nonsense.

Upstairs on the bus tonight I counted 5 no-maskers plus another couple of half-off wearers, even a week ago there would be one tops.

kippy

walus wrote: »

Making a law and successfully enforcing it are two different things. We have talked about it before - theory and practice - remember? The strategy should have been such, from day one, that it is practical in implementation. Otherwise it is just a waste of time. They put in academics into that nphet team and what we get is their theory that they keep on hanging onto, without causal evidence that it is actually getting us closer to the finish line. The approach from practitioners i.e. the likes of Dr. Feeley is radically different.

Outside of the rights and wrongs of covid ristrictions/laws I think you need to understand that most laws are completely not practical to implement if a large amount of people chose to ignore them. This applies to any law and/or rule.
When it comes to Covid, this has been the status from back in March.
Those 2KM/5KM restrictions were completly impracticaly to implement and would not have been effective if enough of the populace had decided not to heed them.
Pretty much the same with every law/regulation. If you don't have the majority doing "the right thing" there are not enough police to enforce.

sabat

sabat wrote: »

Upstairs on the bus tonight I counted 5 no-maskers plus another couple of half-off wearers, even a week ago there would be one tops.

yep same, saw it myself and cannot blame them..go read the vaccine thread, tons of posters masturbating in line for the 1st quickest least tested yellow jersey vaccine in history, complete with indemnity clause !!

and they call some tin foil hat wearers?? a ****ing joke.

GiftofGab

Seeing a lot of premier league footballers getting Covid now. When a player misses a game it s like a relief that it's Covid and not an injury as they'll be back a lot faster with Covid.

GiftofGab

GiftofGab wrote: »

Seeing a lot of premier league footballers getting Covid now. When a player misses a game it s like a relief that it's Covid and not an injury as they'll be back a lot faster with Covid.

ask mcconkey and he'll say that same footballer will have cardiac scarring, lung nodules and brain issues in a few years!!:rolleyes:

bloopy

https://www.rte.ie/news/crime/2020/0930/1168529-policing-authority-garda-commissioner/

Garda Commissioner essentially asking that Gardaí not be given "authoritarian" powers.

“We do our best within the powers available to us to deal with the event…..and to bring the party to an end through persuasion.
“That may not fulfil some of the public concern in respect of that but to start moving further in terms of entering a home to break up a party that is a serious escalation in terms of our enforcement powers.

“It’s a road we should be very careful before we step down on.”

From RTE:
Drew Harris also warned of the dangers of an "authoritarian" policing response and said he would not be in favour of granting gardaí powers to enter people's homes.

Even the Garda Comissioner can see the hysteria this is turning into, as well as the potentially dangerous road we could blunder down if we are not careful.
It is not often you see a policing service turn down additional powers.
Is Drew Harris a tin-foil hat wearer too?

FintanMcluskey

bloopy wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/crime/2020/0930/1168529-policing-authority-garda-commissioner/

Garda Commissioner essentially asking that Gardaí not be given "authoritarian" powers.

“We do our best within the powers available to us to deal with the event…..and to bring the party to an end through persuasion.
“That may not fulfil some of the public concern in respect of that but to start moving further in terms of entering a home to break up a party that is a serious escalation in terms of our enforcement powers.

“It’s a road we should be very careful before we step down on.”

From RTE:
Drew Harris also warned of the dangers of an "authoritarian" policing response and said he would not be in favour of granting gardaí powers to enter people's homes.

Even the Garda Comissioner can see the hysteria this is turning into, as well as the potentially dangerous road we could blunder down if we are not careful.
It is not often you see a policing service turn down additional powers.
Is Drew Harris a tin-foil hat wearer too?

Fair play to Drew.

Always said it would never happen

normanoffside

bloopy wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/crime/2020/0930/1168529-policing-authority-garda-commissioner/

Garda Commissioner essentially asking that Gardaí not be given "authoritarian" powers.

“We do our best within the powers available to us to deal with the event…..and to bring the party to an end through persuasion.
“That may not fulfil some of the public concern in respect of that but to start moving further in terms of entering a home to break up a party that is a serious escalation in terms of our enforcement powers.

“It’s a road we should be very careful before we step down on.”

From RTE:
Drew Harris also warned of the dangers of an "authoritarian" policing response and said he would not be in favour of granting gardaí powers to enter people's homes.

Even the Garda Comissioner can see the hysteria this is turning into, as well as the potentially dangerous road we could blunder down if we are not careful.
It is not often you see a policing service turn down additional powers.
Is Drew Harris a tin-foil hat wearer too?

And him an ex RUC officer during the troubles. Says it all.

kippy

bloopy wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/crime/2020/0930/1168529-policing-authority-garda-commissioner/

Garda Commissioner essentially asking that Gardaí not be given "authoritarian" powers.

“We do our best within the powers available to us to deal with the event…..and to bring the party to an end through persuasion.
“That may not fulfil some of the public concern in respect of that but to start moving further in terms of entering a home to break up a party that is a serious escalation in terms of our enforcement powers.

“It’s a road we should be very careful before we step down on.”

From RTE:
Drew Harris also warned of the dangers of an "authoritarian" policing response and said he would not be in favour of granting gardaí powers to enter people's homes.

Even the Garda Comissioner can see the hysteria this is turning into, as well as the potentially dangerous road we could blunder down if we are not careful.
It is not often you see a policing service turn down additional powers.
Is Drew Harris a tin-foil hat wearer too?

These guys know that the risk to their own officers increase drastically with increasing powers that have been bandied around as if it's a small thing.
As mentioned above, law and order requires that the vast majority follow the rules/laws no matter what they are.
It simply isn't feasible to increase policing powers because the numbers aren't there, the risk is too high for workplace safety and there are a massive amount of people not following the regulations.

This isn't a straightforward binary issue - people are expected to act with some personal responsibility, reduce close contacts, wash hands, wear a mask etc.
These are the basics and still the best way to stay safe.

Real Donald Trump

bloopy wrote: »

Garda Commissioner essentially asking that Gardaí not be given "authoritarian" powers.

“We do our best within the powers available to us to deal with the event…..and to bring the party to an end through persuasion.
“That may not fulfil some of the public concern in respect of that but to start moving further in terms of entering a home to break up a party that is a serious escalation in terms of our enforcement powers.

“It’s a road we should be very careful before we step down on.”

From RTE:
Drew Harris also warned of the dangers of an "authoritarian" policing response and said he would not be in favour of granting gardaí powers to enter people's homes.

Even the Garda Comissioner can see the hysteria this is turning into, as well as the potentially dangerous road we could blunder down if we are not careful.
It is not often you see a policing service turn down additional powers.
Is Drew Harris a tin-foil hat wearer too?

I'd say Sam and Gerry were gutted when they heard this.

Quantum Erasure

normanoffside wrote: »

And him an ex RUC officer during the troubles. Says it all.

its probably because he's ex RUC that he's against it

walus

rusty cole wrote: »

ask mcconkey and he'll say that same footballer will have cardiac scarring, lung nodules and brain issues in a few years!!:rolleyes:

You don’t need to have covid to get that. These are side effects of watching RTÉ.

_Kaiser_

normanoffside wrote: »

And him an ex RUC officer during the troubles. Says it all.

I somehow can't imagine his 2 predecessors turning down increased powers. Fair play to him.

bloopy

bloopy wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/crime/2020/0930/1168529-policing-authority-garda-commissioner/

Garda Commissioner essentially asking that Gardaí not be given "authoritarian" powers.

“We do our best within the powers available to us to deal with the event…..and to bring the party to an end through persuasion.
“That may not fulfil some of the public concern in respect of that but to start moving further in terms of entering a home to break up a party that is a serious escalation in terms of our enforcement powers.

“It’s a road we should be very careful before we step down on.”

From RTE:
Drew Harris also warned of the dangers of an "authoritarian" policing response and said he would not be in favour of granting gardaí powers to enter people's homes.

Even the Garda Comissioner can see the hysteria this is turning into, as well as the potentially dangerous road we could blunder down if we are not careful.
It is not often you see a policing service turn down additional powers.
Is Drew Harris a tin-foil hat wearer too?

This soft approach is why crime is rife and so many have little respect for the guards.

Give them the powers asap or put someone in the job who isn’t afraid to get serious. If I was a guard I’d be chomping at the bit to be able to come down very very hard on those breaching regulations.

kippy

kippy wrote: »

These guys know that the risk to their own officers increase drastically with increasing powers that have been bandied around as if it's a small thing.
As mentioned above, law and order requires that the vast majority follow the rules/laws no matter what they are.
It simply isn't feasible to increase policing powers because the numbers aren't there, the risk is too high for workplace safety and there are a massive amount of people not following the regulations.

This isn't a straightforward binary issue - people are expected to act with some personal responsibility, reduce close contacts, wash hands, wear a mask etc.
These are the basics and still the best way to stay safe.

Make a few big examples of people, publicise it and the majority won’t be long towing the line out of fear. Go to a house party with paddy wagons, everyone there a night in the cells and a 500 euro fine each going home the next day. Do this randomly a few times and I can tell you people would think twice about a house party.

It won’t happen though as we are soft on crime at every level, the guards, the courts etc.

weldoninhio

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Make a few big examples of people, publicise it and the majority won’t be long towing the line out of fear. Go to a house party with paddy wagons, everyone there a night in the cells and a 500 euro fine each going home the next day. Do this randomly a few times and I can tell you people would think twice about a house party.

It won’t happen though as we are soft on crime at every level, the guards, the courts etc.

Or trouble erupts, you’ve 20 cops in hospital and off the streets for months while they claim injury at work payments. AGS police by consent. Try to remove that consent and you’ll have riots.

weldoninhio

weldoninhio wrote: »

Or trouble erupts, you’ve 20 cops in hospital and off the streets for months while they claim injury at work payments. AGS police by consent. Try to remove that consent and you’ll have riots.

Good to know the type of people you go to house parties with are thugs, bad enough you are going to them in the first place but then ye would attack guards . Though if you think the result of few drunk idiots at a house party thinking they can take on guards is 20 guards in hosiptal you are in for a very big surprise.

stephenjmcd

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

This soft approach is why crime is rife and so many have little respect for the guards.

Give them the powers asap or put someone in the job who isn’t afraid to get serious. If I was a guard I’d be chomping at the bit to be able to come down very very hard on those breaching regulations.

Police by consent its the way its always been and that won't change.

If you were a guard you sound like one that would be on a power trip, as someone who's awaiting the restart of recruitment even during the initial induction days your told its not like a TV show, its community based policing by consent.

Start using force to go against the community then your in trouble especially when most public health guidelines are not penal provisions.

Ultimately though your coming up here against the constitution and the rights of the home owner thats what this boils down to. Hence why it wasn't progressed weeks ago

Jackman25

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

This soft approach is why crime is rife and so many have little respect for the guards.

Give them the powers asap or put someone in the job who isn’t afraid to get serious. If I was a guard I’d be chomping at the bit to be able to come down very very hard on those breaching regulations.

Hilarious. You would have to crawl out from under your bed and leave your house an odd time if you were a guard.

Big difference towards being a standard office drone working from home, spending half the day bleating on the Internet.

Happydays2020

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Police by consent its the way its always been and that won't change.

If you were a guard you sound like one that would be on a power trip, as someone who's awaiting the restart of recruitment even during the initial induction days your told its not like a TV show, its community based policing by consent.

Start using force to go against the community then your in trouble especially when most public health guidelines are not penal provisions.

Ultimately though your coming up here against the constitution and the rights of the home owner thats what this boils down to.

The Garda model by consent is complemented by targeted powers including the Possibility to bring cases to the special criminal court.

Harris is correct that AGS has to look at the medium and long term. He was concerned recently that AGS were present at evictions - that is someone who has the emotional intelligence to understand the dangers.

stephenjmcd

Happydays2020 wrote: »

The Garda model by consent is complemented by targeted powers including the Possibility to bring cases to the special criminal court.

Harris is correct that AGS has to look at the medium and long term. He was concerned recently that AGS were present at evictions - that is someone who has the emotional intelligence to understand the dangers.

Fully agree.

If public attitude were to change towards the Gardaí then the whole policing by consent model is in trouble. Very difficult to win back trust

Jackman25

Jackman25 wrote: »

Hilarious. You would have to crawl out from under your bed and leave your house an odd time if you were a guard.

Big difference towards being a standard office drone working from home, spending half the day bleating on the Internet.

Ha ha standard office drone, you haven’t a clue what I do and it’s so far from office drone you couldn’t even imagine.

Also I’ve never claimed to be hiding under my bed. In fact I’ve been going into work the last week or so most days to catch up on some hands on work that was put on hold since the lockdown (I’m completely alone in my section of the building as the reset as still working from home or in on alternative days).

CruelSummer

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1001/1168634-nphet-update-covid/

So NPHET to meet & decide re further Restrictions, not Government, not a cross party body of experts. Just NPHET - who will then leak to media before it even reaches the cabinet sub-committee or cabinet. What a pathetic state of affairs.

bucketybuck

I hope they bring in new powers to go harder on drink driving *****.

pjohnson

bucketybuck wrote: »

I hope they bring in new powers to go harder on drink driving *****.

Would you not be outraged at that? I didn't think you lot liked the Gardai getting any powers, something about your "rights"

bucketybuck

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Ha ha standard office drone, you haven’t a clue what I do and it’s so far from office drone you couldn’t even imagine.

Also I’ve never claimed to be hiding under my bed. In fact I’ve been going into work the last week or so most days to catch up on some hands on work that was put on hold since the lockdown.

That is a disgrace, you have the ability to fully work from home yet there you are commuting and going into work, putting not only your colleagues at risk but also their families and other people they care about.

Was it worth it? Are you so self important that you couldn't understand the danger you are causing for other people?

The guards should be given the powers to arrest people like you and dump you in the cells for at least 6 months, it is clear that you don't understand the severity of what is happening in the world right now. Shame on you.

Jackman25

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Ha ha standard office drone, you haven’t a clue what I do and it’s so far from office drone you couldn’t even imagine.

Also I’ve never claimed to be hiding under my bed. In fact I’ve been going into work the last week or so most days to catch up on some hands on work that was put on hold since the lockdown (I’m completely alone in my section of the building as the reset as still working from home or in on alternative days).

Do you not normally work in an office and on a laptop/pc?

I imagine your some sort of software developer and like a lot of them, think you are a rockstar and irreplaceable to your company. They are a dime a dozen.

bucketybuck

bucketybuck wrote: »

That is a disgrace, you have the ability to fully work from home yet there you are commuting and going into work, putting not only your colleagues at risk but also their families and other people they care about.

Was it worth it? Are you so self important that you couldn't understand the danger you are causing for other people?

The guards should be given the powers to arrest people like you and dump you in the cells for at least 6 months, it is clear that you don't understand the severity of what is happening in the world right now. Shame on you.

Did you actually read my post? I am alone in my section I would refuse to go in otherwise. I also do have some work that can’t be done from home, it was easy to postpone during lockdown etc and most of my job can easily be done from home but it now has to get done.

gmisk

Jackman25 wrote: »

Do you not normally work in an office and on a laptop/pc?

I imagine your some sort of software developer and like a lot of them, think you are a rockstar and irreplaceable to your company. They are a dime a dozen.

Maybe let the department of education know that...

Jackman25

gmisk wrote: »

Maybe let the department of education know that...

They were probably a victim of one of them.