2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

HDMI · 30-09-2020 05:01AM

hynesie08 wrote: »

He's right though, antifa isn't a group, and Biden bluntly said he didn't condone violence.

Trump was very clear in his answer....

Sure Antifa isn't a group, all these people just happen to turn up with truck loads of weapons with no organization. I think the residents of Portland would disagree.

hynesie08 · 30-09-2020 05:05AM

HDMI wrote: »

Sure Antifa isn't a group, all these people just happen to turn up with truck loads of weapons with no organization. I think the residents of Portland would disagree.

It's an overarching term, a political ideology, unlike white supremacy, trump specifically refused to denounce a white supremacist group, Biden did denounce violent people under the antifa ideology, but not the ideology itself.....

Tell me how · 30-09-2020 05:06AM

hynesie08 wrote: »

It's an overarching term, a political ideology, unlike white supremacy, trump specifically refused to denounce a white supremacist group, Biden did denounce violent people under the antifa ideology, but not the ideology itself.....

What is the antifa ideology?

hynesie08 · 30-09-2020 05:08AM

Tell me how wrote: »

What is the antifa ideology?

They're anti fascism..... It's right there in the name.......

Overheal · 30-09-2020 05:22AM

“Stand back and standby”

That’s not a denunciation that’s a communique.

dwayneshintzy · 30-09-2020 05:23AM

https://twitter.com/SheriffReese/status/1311125507757416449

sydthebeat · 30-09-2020 05:42AM

The betting money has poured in on Biden after that debate.

Gone from 8/11 to 8/13

Trump drifted from 6/5 to 11/8.

Its clear who the winner was

bobbyy gee · 30-09-2020 05:52AM

Overheal wrote: »

“Stand back and standby”

That’s not a denunciation that’s a communique.

Stand back

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/proud-boys-celebrate-after-trump-s-debate-call-out-n1241512

Rockbeast2 · 30-09-2020 05:57AM

When the CNN headline is:

An Absolutely Awful Debate

you can be sure that Biden won nothing. Tonight was his shot. He missed.

dwayneshintzy · 30-09-2020 05:59AM

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

When the CNN headline is:

An Absolutely Awful Debate

you can be sure that Biden won nothing. Tonight was his shot. He missed.

I'm not sure what alternate dimension you're living in, but Trump is massively behind in the polls. Status quo is good for Biden and awful for Trump. If the consensus view becomes that there was no winner from the debate itself, then Trump is the massive loser.

Rockbeast2 · 30-09-2020 06:01AM

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

I'm not sure what alternate dimension you're living in, but Trump is massively behind in the polls. Status quo is good for Biden and awful for Trump. If the consensus view becomes that there was no winner from the debate itself, then Trump is the massive loser.

Polls me hole.

There is a nationwide campaign in the States for Trump supporters to respond to "polls" as Biden voters.

sydthebeat · 30-09-2020 06:02AM

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

When the CNN headline is:

An Absolutely Awful Debate

you can be sure that Biden won nothing. Tonight was his shot. He missed.

Biden didn't have to take any shot.

The fall out of trumps call to Arms to racists will be his own downfall

dwayneshintzy · 30-09-2020 06:03AM

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

Polls me hole.

There is a nationwide campaign in the States for Trump supporters to respond to "polls" as Biden voters.

Oh is there now? How are they managing to foll every single pollster in that case?

Any chance you could give me a link so I can read up on this? Hadn't heard it before

Rockbeast2 · 30-09-2020 06:09AM

sydthebeat wrote: »

Biden didn't have to take any shot.

The fall out of trumps call to Arms to racists will be his own downfall

"racists".

Yeah, Biden will lose "because racists".

eagle eye · 30-09-2020 06:11AM

sydthebeat wrote:

Its clear who the winner was

A draw for Biden in the debate is a win for him overall. He just needs to stay ahead.

If he won that debate he'd be a lot shorter.

sydthebeat · 30-09-2020 06:13AM

eagle eye wrote: »

A draw for Biden in the debate is a win for him overall. He just needs to stay ahead.

If he won that debate he'd be a lot shorter.

Its a two horse race.

8/13 is EXTREMELY short in a 2 horse race

I don't expect him to stay that short come voting day.

eagle eye · 30-09-2020 06:22AM

sydthebeat wrote:

I don't expect him to stay that short come voting day.

Well I think he'll be a lot shorter. Trump isn't capable of convincing the public that he is better than Biden.
Biden just needs to say less and not lose his temper and it's a landslide win in November.
I think it'll be the lowest turnout of voters for an election in the history of American politics. Between covid and two awful candidates I think you'll see less people vote than ever before.
I was thinking during that debate that if you had a younger intelligent independent candidate he'd have a real chance of beating those two.

DraftDodger · 30-09-2020 06:55AM

My God what a stinking turd of a "debate" that was. If this is the best the American political system can up with then they are absolutely fcuked going forward. An utter embarrassment

DraftDodger · 30-09-2020 06:57AM

sydthebeat wrote: »

The betting money has poured in on Biden after that debate.

Gone from 8/11 to 8/13

Trump drifted from 6/5 to 11/8.

Its clear who the winner was

There was no winner, only losers. The American electorate.

xgronkjabv6pcl · 30-09-2020 07:12AM

sydthebeat wrote: »

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8/13 is EXTREMELY short in a 2 horse race

No it's not.

8/13 is effectively saying the probability he wins is approx 62%.
That is not particularly short in any race; two or otherwise.

All else equal, Biden will continue to shorten in the coming weeks as people become more confident in the polling data.

There's a scepticism that exists around polling data given what it suggested in 2016 and Brexit but those fears will dissipate if the gap remains as big closer to polling day.

8/13 may very well end up as relatively close to the longest odds between now and then.

Carfacemandog · 30-09-2020 07:17AM

HDMI wrote: »

Sure Antifa isn't a group, all these people just happen to turn up with truck loads of weapons with no organization. I think the residents of Portland would disagree.

If Antifa is an organised group, then who is it's leader/leaders?

The Proud Boys leader for example was Gavin McInnes who also founded it, but is now Enrique Tarrio with its leadership group (which they refer to as 'elders') consisting of Harry Fox, Heath Hair, Patrick William Roberts, Joshua Hall, Timothy Kelly, Luke Rofhling and Rufio Panman.

So how about Antifa?

francois · 30-09-2020 07:19AM

Will the accusations of mental impairment still be continuing today? Or will it be an earpiece narrative?

bobbyy gee · 30-09-2020 07:21AM

Trump has wanted the election to be about anything but the coronavirus pandemic, but he couldn’t outrun reality on the debate stage.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/election-2020/ct-trump-biden-debate-takeaways-20200930-pi4ffwsgjzau7px46qqfvo4svm-story.html

namloc1980 · 30-09-2020 07:38AM

francois wrote: »

Will the accusations of mental impairment still be continuing today? Or will it be an earpiece narrative?

The early talking points are that Chris Wallace was soft on Biden and very hard on poor Donald.

All those posters who said that Biden would be incoherent and a demented mess and might not even show up will be scrambling around for talking points today.

alchemist33 · 30-09-2020 07:41AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

The early talking points are that Chris Wallace was soft on Biden and very hard on poor Donald.

All those posters who said that Biden would be incoherent and a demented mess and might not even show up will be scrambling around for talking points today.

Genuinely curious - posters who repeatedly claimed Biden had dementia, what do you think now? He has faked a cure, never had it, or gave the performance of a man with dementia?

namloc1980 · 30-09-2020 07:44AM

alchemist33 wrote: »

Genuinely curious - posters who repeatedly claimed Biden had dementia, what do you think now? He has faked a cure, never had it, or gave the performance of a man with dementia?

They fully swallowed the Trump campaign lies and believed all the manipulated videos on social media.

Playing the narrative that Biden was demented and incoherent was a huge error by the Trump campaign. They tried to redirect in the last few days with the drugs and earpiece nonsense.

Trumpists on here were told this repeatedly but they continued the mantra of their dear leader that Biden has dementia. As I say they are scrambling for fresh talking points this morning.

HDMI · 30-09-2020 08:06AM

Carfacemandog wrote: »

If Antifa is an organised group, then who is it's leader/leaders?

The Proud Boys leader for example was Gavin McInnes who also founded it, but is now Enrique Tarrio with its leadership group (which they refer to as 'elders') consisting of Harry Fox, Heath Hair, Patrick William Roberts, Joshua Hall, Timothy Kelly, Luke Rofhling and Rufio Panman.

So how about Antifa?

I couldn't have named any from the right wing so fair play to you.

Just like the right wing which I am sure there is more than one group, my guess is Antifa is a bunch of smaller groups with maybe less obvious leaders willing to step forward but that doesn't mean they don't exist. Someone is funding them and someone is directing them, to suggest otherwise is just foolish.

francois · 30-09-2020 08:08AM

HDMI wrote: »

Someone is funding them and someone is directing them, to suggest otherwise is just foolish.

"someone"

Carfacemandog · 30-09-2020 08:10AM

HDMI wrote: »

I couldn't have named any from the right wing so fair play to you.

Just like the right wing which I am sure there is more than one group, my guess is Antifa is a bunch of smaller groups with maybe less obvious leaders willing to step forward but that doesn't mean they don't exist. Someone is funding them and someone is directing them to suggest otherwise is just foolish.

The right wing is more thanine group. The left wing is too. But the proud boys are not more tha one group and are an organisation with a set chain of command and leadership structure rather than an ideology, and their leadership is extremely easy to find with a Google search. If Antifa is the same, then it should also be easy to find who their overall leadership group is.

It's not that Antifa do not exist, it's that they are an ideological movement rather than a unified and defined, singular organised group.

osarusan · 30-09-2020 08:15AM

Sounds like I was lucky I was fast asleep for the whole thing.

2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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