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2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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  • #8672
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,578 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    DraftDodger wrote: »
    They are extremely shy tbh. Clinton was consistently ahead in the polls by a huge margin and lost because people won't admit to voting Trump. This will be no different

    This is just a complete fantasy that you made up.


  • #8673
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Justin Credible Darts wrote: »
    why is it the minute some one slates the bumbling biden the first reaction of others is to suddenly mention trump is this and that ?

    It seems the only response to the failings of biden is to make out how he is better that Trump, that does not mean Bidens failings are to be simply brushed aside.
    Its almost a deflection tactic, when faced with criticism, they shift the argument straight to Trump.

    Joe himself done the same thing when his sons board appointment was brought up


  • #8674
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,578 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Justin Credible Darts wrote: »
    why is it the minute some one slates the bumbling biden the first reaction of others is to suddenly mention trump is this and that ?

    It seems the only response to the failings of biden is to make out how he is better that Trump, that does not mean Bidens failings are to be simply brushed aside.
    Its almost a deflection tactic, when faced with criticism, they shift the argument straight to Trump.

    why is it the minute some one slates the bumbling Trump the first reaction of others is to suddenly mention Biden is this and that ?

    It seems the only response to the failings of Trump is to make out how he is better that Biden, that does not mean Trumps failings are to be simply brushed aside.
    Its almost a deflection tactic, when faced with criticism, they shift the argument straight to Biden.


  • #8675
    Justin Credible Darts
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭Justin Credible Darts


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    but he is better than trump. in almost every measurable way.


    so ?


    what has that got to do with what I wrote ?




    Maybe I have to make it simpler , why does a topic or discussion debating the failings of biden, have to involve trump. ?


    Are people who despise trump and support Biden unable to discuss their own candidate without having to deflect..


    The topic of Biden being chosen as the candidate for the democrat party, and how the democrats messed up is a democrat issue......but people will deflect and mention trump.


  • #8676
    DraftDodger
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 284 ✭✭DraftDodger


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    why is it the minute some one slates the bumbling Trump the first reaction of others is to suddenly mention Biden is this and that ?

    It seems the only response to the failings of Trump is to make out how he is better that Biden, that does not mean Trumps failings are to be simply brushed aside.
    Its almost a deflection tactic, when faced with criticism, they shift the argument straight to Biden.

    And visa versa. . .


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  • #8677
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,176 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Justin Credible Darts wrote: »
    why is it the minute some one slates the bumbling biden the first reaction of others is to suddenly mention trump is this and that ?

    It seems the only response to the failings of biden is to make out how he is better that Trump, that does not mean Bidens failings are to be simply brushed aside.
    Its almost a deflection tactic, when faced with criticism, they shift the argument straight to Trump.

    You do realise it's a head to head between the 2 of them?

    Say you are buying a second hand car and are on a tight budget and need to make the purchase today and have only 2 options.
    You look at the first and see scratch marks and think well, I don't want a car like that, but then you look at the other and see oil leaking from the engine block.

    Now, would you ignore the oil problem just because the first isn't perfect or waste time talking about how bad the scratches are?

    The fact that people are aggrieved that the conversation isn't limited to Trump shows, for the hundredth time, how much of a failure he has been.


  • #8678
    eire4
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,936 ✭✭✭eire4


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Saw a tweet yesterday with a video of all the times Zuckerberg has apologised and said that they made a serious judgement. It went back 17 years!!! That's a generation of people who have seen their persona's and data traded and manipulated like in a matrix.

    I actually think he has found himself in this accidental position and that he hasn't, for whatever reason, grasped that what they were doing or planning on doing was going to be problematic.

    Maybe I am giving him too much credit.

    I think your giving Zuckerberg way to much credit. He knows exactly what he is doing and what is happening and does not care as long as the money keeps rolling in. He fits in though with the general American mentality. Money matters people don't.


  • #8679
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,994 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Justin Credible Darts wrote: »
    so ?


    what has that got to do with what I wrote ?




    Maybe I have to make it simpler , why does a topic or discussion debating the failings of biden, have to involve trump. ?


    Are people who despise trump and support Biden unable to discuss their own candidate without having to deflect..


    The topic of Biden being chosen as the candidate for the democrat party, and how the democrats messed up is a democrat issue......but people will deflect and mention trump.

    because it is a head to head race.


  • #8680
    DraftDodger
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 284 ✭✭DraftDodger


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    but he is better than trump. in almost every measurable way.

    So was Clinton.


  • #8681
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,994 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    DraftDodger wrote: »
    And visa versa. . .

    you should probably read the post that was a reply to.


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  • #8682
    Justin Credible Darts
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭Justin Credible Darts


    for example.

    I say Biden is a terrible candidate, its a disgrace the democrat party chose him.

    The response is " but Trump is a racist"

    You then say had the democrats picked a better candidate than hilary maybe they would have won 4 years ago
    response " but trump never paid his taxes"

    This is typical of the mindset by some democrat lovers, the minute any of Bidens failings are mentioned, rather than addressing those issues, they instead opt with the "trump did this, trump did that", as if that negates the original discussion.

    The democrat party put forward Hilary and now biden, two abysmal candidates, and deflecting to trump wont alter that.


  • #8683
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,176 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Justin Credible Darts wrote: »
    for example.

    Biden is a terrible candidate, its a disgrace the democra party chose him.

    The response is " but Trump is a racist"

    You then say had the democrats picked a better candidate than hilary maybe they would have won 4 years ago
    response " but trump never paid his taxes"

    This is typical of the mindset by some democrat lovers, the minute any of Bidens failings are mentioned, rather than addressing those issues, they instead opt with the "trump did this, trump did that", as if that negates the original discussion.

    The democrat party put forward Hilary and now biden, two abysmal candidates, and deflecting to trump wont alter that.

    Hillary lost dude. Get over it.


  • #8684
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,994 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    DraftDodger wrote: »
    So was Clinton.

    indeed but hilary annoyed a lot of people for some reason.


  • #8685
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,969 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    DraftDodger wrote: »
    They are extremely shy tbh. Clinton was consistently ahead in the polls by a huge margin and lost because people won't admit to voting Trump. This will be no different

    No.. No she wasn't - The polls were pretty much bang on - They had Clinton with a ~3% lead nationally , she won the popular vote by 2.1%

    There was no "shy Trump Voter" in 2016 and there aren't any now or at least not enough to make any difference.

    Where they got it slightly wrong in 2016 was in how the "undecided" voters would break in the key swing states.

    On average there was about 10% of undecided voters in those states in 2016 and the majority of them broke from Trump.

    In almost every single State , Clinton got a higher % of the vote than the polls projected , but Trump got those undecideds.

    This time around there is roughly half the amount of undecided voters out there , even if they broke for Trump at the same rate as 2016 it still probably wouldn't be enough to close the leads that Biden has in those critical Rust belt States.


  • #8686
    Sorolla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭Sorolla


    Justin Credible Darts wrote: »
    for example.

    I say Biden is a terrible candidate, its a disgrace the democrat party chose him.

    The response is " but Trump is a racist"

    You then say had the democrats picked a better candidate than hilary maybe they would have won 4 years ago
    response " but trump never paid his taxes"

    This is typical of the mindset by some democrat lovers, the minute any of Bidens failings are mentioned, rather than addressing those issues, they instead opt with the "trump did this, trump did that", as if that negates the original discussion.

    The democrat party put forward Hilary and now biden, two abysmal candidates, and deflecting to trump wont alter that.

    Joes people are from Ballina - I think they might have come over with Humbert - Joe will be a great friend to Ireland

    Donald had a great love for Ireland and has a beautiful property in Doonbeg

    No matter who wins a friend of Ireland will be next President

    For us it is a win win situation


  • #8687
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    Justin Credible Darts wrote: »
    so ?


    what has that got to do with what I wrote ?




    Maybe I have to make it simpler , why does a topic or discussion debating the failings of biden, have to involve trump. ?


    Are people who despise trump and support Biden unable to discuss their own candidate without having to deflect..


    The topic of Biden being chosen as the candidate for the democrat party, and how the democrats messed up is a democrat issue......but people will deflect and mention trump.

    It's quite simple - it's an election between two candidates. A competition of sorts, if you'd prefer.

    Let's say there's two fighters about to go head to head in a boxing match - isn't there usually a dissection of which fighter stands the better chance of winning based on a number of factors; strength, weight, fitness, number of wins/losses etc.?

    Why are you so confused about the fact that people will weigh up the merits/failings of one politician against another during an election?


  • #8688
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,969 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Sorolla wrote: »
    Joes people are from Ballina - I think they might have come over with Humbert - Joe will be a great friend to Ireland

    Donald had a great love for Ireland and has a beautiful property in Doonbeg

    No matter who wins a friend of Ireland will be next President

    For us it is a win win situation

    Donald has no great love of anyone or anything other than himself.


  • #8689
    eire4
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,936 ✭✭✭eire4


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    Donald has no great love of anyone or anything other than himself.

    Nail on the proverbial head.


  • #8690
    Sorolla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭Sorolla


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    Donald has no great love of anyone or anything other than himself.

    There I believe you are wrong - even before he became President it was well known he was a big lover of Ireland.

    His mother was a great friend of the great Irish tenor, Frank Patterson.

    He will also come to Ireland to celebrate St Patricks Day in 2021

    He loves us


  • #8691
    Justin Credible Darts
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭Justin Credible Darts


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Hillary lost dude. Get over it.


    Get over what ?
    I guess I am going to have to make it simple for you also.


    I am not an american, I am neither a trump or biden supporter.
    I have no time for hilary either, so why I need to "get over it" is beyond me.


    The discussion of the standard of candidates of the democrat party is a valid discussion, and if you feel you dont want to discuss it, no one is forcing you to reply.


    Maybe you are not grasping things, and cannot see how the discussion on the caliber of candidates is a separate thing to trump.


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  • #8692
    osarusan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,896 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Sorolla wrote: »
    Joes people are from Ballina - I think they might have come over with Humbert - Joe will be a great friend to Ireland

    Donald had a great love for Ireland and has a beautiful property in Doonbeg

    No matter who wins a friend of Ireland will be next President

    For us it is a win win situation
    Neither of them give a shyte about Ireland.


    Apart from Brexit and St Patrick's day photo ops, Ireland won't even enter their heads.


  • #8693
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,969 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Sorolla wrote: »
    There I believe you are wrong - even before he became President it was well known he was a big lover of Ireland.

    His mother was a great friend of the great Irish tenor, Frank Patterson.

    He will also come to Ireland to celebrate St Patricks Day in 2021

    He loves us

    On what basis?

    He'd never been here until the day he signed the deeds for Doonbeg and the only reason he visited here a while back was to gin up some business for the place.

    Sod all to do with "love"


  • #8694
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,969 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Deleted User wrote: »
    He was the winner out of the system that they had set up. Agreed. However he's not a candidate any Democrats feel much love about, as Michael Moore said. Trump supporters will queue for 2 days to get in to hear him speak. There's nothing like the enthusiasm on the Biden side.

    I've got to honest , I'd view that as a positive.

    Anyone who queues up for any length of time to hear a politician speak needs help in my view.

    The relationship that some Trump supporters have with him is deeply unhealthy.

    Travelling around to attend multiple rallies , queuing for hours/days to see him - That's not normal behaviour for a functioning adult , that's a cult.


  • #8695
    weisses
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,785 ✭✭✭weisses


    DraftDodger wrote: »
    America is craving change. Obama promised and failed

    What are the reasons for Obama's "Failure" ?


  • #8696
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,839 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    EXCLUSIVE: Channel 4 News investigation reveals a huge Trump campaign data leak, exposing how 3.5 million Black Americans were listed as ‘Deterrence’ - to try to stop them voting in 2016.

    #DeterringDemocracy https://t.co/wkxKfbynu6

    Yikes this is pretty damning stuff.


  • #8697
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,839 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    I wonder will this be picked up in US news cycle?


  • #8698
    weisses
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,785 ✭✭✭weisses


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    Donald has no great love of anyone or anything other than himself.

    And Greenland ....... apparently


  • #8699
    Justin Credible Darts
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭Justin Credible Darts


    Trump loves northern ireland..........he is a big orange man...:D


  • #8700
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Joe himself done the same thing when his sons board appointment was brought up


    I guess that if corruption is to be an issue in a two horse race, then it's only fair to compare both by that metric. When a Trump fan brings up possible corruption with Biden, there's an implication there that corruption is bad and should factor into one's decision on the suitability of a candidate. So, given that corruption is bad and that one candidate must be selected out of two, then the natural next step in rational thinking is not to ask, "which of them has zero corruption" but "how do they compare in terms of corruption".


    All of that assumes that the accusations of corruption are in good faith. In other words, that the Trump fan is against corruption and that this factored into their decision to support Trump. That is, to any reasonable and informed person, asinine. Trump's corruption is well documented, both in government charging documents and in his own words and behaviour while Biden's is more ethereal and dreamlike.


    This might be the reason for the contempt that Trump fans receive whenever they bring up Hunter Biden.


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  • #8701
    1800_Ladladlad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,466 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    extra gravy wrote: »
    Posting shiit jokes now, did you run out of videos?

    Another early finish today. Biden has a battery life worse than the iphone 5 did. Will the moderator of the debate be helping him out like this presenter had to?

    https://twitter.com/TVNewsHQ/status/1309908236598996994


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