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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #7592
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Bigboldworld wrote: »
    Thought i would throw in my two cents, appalled at the lack of mask wearing in Dublin past two weekends, today huge numbers of people all along the seafront at Clontarf I would honestly say one in thirty wearing a mask average, Large groups sitting on top of each other, same last weekend at st annes park, i was the only one wearing a mask in a q of 25 people, i actually felt I was getting weird looks for having one on, I left the q and drove home.

    no wonder we’re fked and it’s soaring again, people just do not listen, we’ll only see the mask wearing becoming widespread once the deaths start reaching daily double digits unfortunately, most will have the ah sure I’ll be grand attitude until then sadly.

    Why would people be wearing a mask outdoors in the blast of sea air?


  • #7593
    Bigboldworld
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭Bigboldworld


    growleaves wrote: »
    Why would people be wearing a mask outdoors in the blast of sea air?

    If you’re congregating in a group, say ten people, would it not be wise to wear a mask or better yet don’t gather in a group at all, people aren’t taking it serious any more that’s the bottom line, I agree that locking down businesses while everyone just then sits outside and drink together in groups etc with no enforcement from guards is nuts, defeats the purpose of closing down businesses


  • #7594
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,097 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Bigboldworld wrote: »
    If you’re congregating in a group, say ten people, would it not be wise to wear a mask or better yet don’t gather in a group at all, people aren’t taking it serious any more that’s the bottom line, I agree that locking down businesses while everyone just then sits outside and drink together in groups etc with no enforcement from guards is nuts, defeats the purpose of closing down businesses

    Do some basic research.


  • #7595
    Bigboldworld
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭Bigboldworld


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Do some basic research.

    Ha, remembered why i logged out of this debate a long time ago, I’ve done more than basic research,, so let me get this straight, outdoor groupings of say ten people poses no threat if one of the group has the virus because they’re outdoors, would love to see the research on that, note I’m talking in a group of people less than one foot from each other. In such circumstances would it not be better to wear a face covering? I’m guessing you’ll find a way to say no.


  • #7596
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,851 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Again, why are China, Korea, Japan and places in that part of the world sailing on without a care in the world and no spikes and so on.

    Just hope we will reach that in time.

    Because a lot of the Asian countries have had experience battling the likes of SARS, Bird Flu before. Countries like Korea, Taiwan, Japan, Singapore and the like are very pro about mask wearing and being able to contain and successfully track and trace outbreaks.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



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  • #7597
    kippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,207 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    growleaves wrote: »
    I've answered this question before but I'll answer it again.

    The government should lean towards few to no restrictions at all, for the public good, because the only thing about the restrictions that we know for a verified fact is that they are deeply harmful and destructive - to individuals, communities and society at large.

    We have been loosening resteictions for months now.
    What is happening? Cases are increasing.
    Why haven't deaths been increasing so far? Because most of the cases are in younger age groups.
    What happens as cases continue to rise through community/unknown vectors? It is inevitable that older people will get this and die.
    Why are cases rising? Because now enough people are following public health guidance.
    Why will restrictions be reimposed. See laser sentence.(don't give people the option)

    Could the state do more? Yes..testing and contact tracing is not where it needs to be.
    More hospital beds and ICI beds could.have come on stream in the past 6 months.. not msny but a few.
    The state politicians could have also chosen to lead by example.
    And we have the issues back in March around nursing homes that could have been handled better.
    But we are where we are. The irony I have seen this weekend locally is the rush of people to 'do a few things in town before restrictions are reintroduced'

    This science is simple on stopping the spread.


  • #7598
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Bigboldworld wrote: »
    Ha, remembered why i logged out of this debate a long time ago, I’ve done more than basic research,, so let me get this straight, outdoor groupings of say ten people poses no threat if one of the group has the virus because they’re outdoors, would love to see the research on that, note I’m talking in a group of people less than one foot from each other. In such circumstances would it not be better to wear a face covering? I’m guessing you’ll find a way to say no.

    Mask wearing should be made mandatory in any areas where you encounter people such as city streets, outdoor markets, busy parks etc.

    People are too close in these locations when it’s busy and masks would reduce the risk of spread. Outdoor mask wearing is mandatory in some other countries but of course there are the anti maskers, anti restrictions, it’s only a flu merchants who will question and fight any notion of outdoor mask wearing.


  • #7599
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Bigboldworld wrote: »
    Thought i would throw in my two cents, appalled at the lack of mask wearing in Dublin past two weekends, today huge numbers of people all along the seafront at Clontarf I would honestly say one in thirty wearing a mask average, Large groups sitting on top of each other, same last weekend at st annes park, i was the only one wearing a mask in a q of 25 people, i actually felt I was getting weird looks for having one on, I left the q and drove home.

    no wonder we’re fked and it’s soaring again, people just do not listen, we’ll only see the mask wearing becoming widespread once the deaths start reaching daily double digits unfortunately, most will have the ah sure I’ll be grand attitude until then sadly.

    Fair play to them, getting on with things. I’ve never worn a mask when out with friends or at house parties. You’d look a right gob****e turning up to a gaff party with a mask on.


  • #7600
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,270 ✭✭✭Allinall


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Fair play to them, getting on with things. I’ve never worn a mask when out with friends or at house parties. You’d look a right gob****e turning up to a gaff party with a mask on.

    Anyone that says "gaff party" shouldn't be taken seriously. At all.


  • #7601
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    No mask on in a crowd of people. More like a gaffe party.

    Scarlet for ya.


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  • #7602
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Allinall wrote: »
    Anyone that says "gaff party" shouldn't be taken seriously. At all.

    Or anyone who attends one at the moment is an absolute moron who is to be cast aside and forgotten about.


  • #7603
    snowcat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭snowcat


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Fair play to them, getting on with things. I’ve never worn a mask when out with friends or at house parties. You’d look a right gob****e turning up to a gaff party with a mask on.

    The science on face coverings is not definite by any means. The WHO publically questioned their efficacy up to recently. Properly used hospital grade N95 masks combined with face goggles are most effective. The use of face coverings however might actually increase the spread and needs further study.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-72798-7

    I will quote from the linked article


    'N95 respirators, surgical masks, and homemade paper and cloth masks at reducing aerosol particle emission rates from breathing, speaking, and coughing by healthy individuals. Two key findings are that (i) the surgical masks, unvented KN95 respirators, and, likely, vented N95 respirators all substantially reduce the number of emitted particles, but that (ii) particle emission from homemade cloth masks—likely from shed fiber fragments—can substantially exceed emission when no mask is worn, a result that confounds assessment of their efficacy at blocking expiratory particle emission. Although no direct measurements of virus emission or infectivity were performed here, the results raise the possibility that shed fiber particulates from contaminated cotton masks might serve as sources of aerosolized fomites.'


  • #7604
    Penfailed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,679 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Bigboldworld wrote: »
    Thought i would throw in my two cents, appalled at the lack of mask wearing in Dublin past two weekends, today huge numbers of people all along the seafront at Clontarf I would honestly say one in thirty wearing a mask average, Large groups sitting on top of each other, same last weekend at st annes park, i was the only one wearing a mask in a q of 25 people, i actually felt I was getting weird looks for having one on, I left the q and drove home.

    no wonder we’re fked and it’s soaring again, people just do not listen, we’ll only see the mask wearing becoming widespread once the deaths start reaching daily double digits unfortunately, most will have the ah sure I’ll be grand attitude until then sadly.

    Why would you wear a mask outside?

    EDIT - There haven't been any instances of clusters of the virus in an outdoor setting.

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  • #7605
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Allinall wrote: »
    Anyone that says "gaff party" shouldn't be taken seriously. At all.

    Ok Eliza Dolittle. Dwelling soirée.


  • #7606
    hayoc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 199 ✭✭hayoc


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Fair play to them, getting on with things. I’ve never worn a mask when out with friends or at house parties. You’d look a right gob****e turning up to a gaff party with a mask on.

    Are there really people stupid enough to be having house parties at the moment?


  • #7607
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,041 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    Bigboldworld wrote: »
    same last weekend at st annes park, i was the only one wearing a mask in a q of 25 people
    I was in St. Anne's that weekend and the previous. It's well laid out and most people are very good at separating out. Certainly saw a few wearing masks in queues as well as the vendors themselves. I thought it was a great set up as it allowed people to enjoy a range of food, and products, outside with plenty of space to sit afterwards.


  • #7608
    topper75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    hayoc wrote: »
    Are there really people stupid enough to be having house parties at the moment?

    Yeah couldn't they postpone their youth to another decade or something?


  • #7609
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    topper75 wrote: »
    Yeah couldn't they postpone their youth to another decade or something?

    Yeah because they are really being asked to postpone their youth :rolleyes:, it hasn't even been 8 months yet ffs.


  • #7610
    hayoc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 199 ✭✭hayoc


    topper75 wrote: »
    Yeah couldn't they postpone their youth to another decade or something?

    Youths own their own houses these days?

    They are certainly doing better than youths of previous generations!


  • #7611
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,881 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    topper75 wrote: »
    Yeah couldn't they postpone their youth to another decade or something?


    And this is one of the reasons we can't do what Sweden is doing.


    Sooner we do the basics right sooner we can get things moving again and can have the parties.


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  • #7612
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    ixoy wrote: »
    I was in St. Anne's that weekend and the previous. It's well laid out and most people are very good at separating out. Certainly saw a few wearing masks in queues as well as the vendors themselves. I thought it was a great set up as it allowed people to enjoy a range of food, and products, outside with plenty of space to sit afterwards.

    There myself the last few Saturdays as well. Great set up, pity they don't do Sundays as well with the lockdown, there is a big appetite for these outdoor markets.


  • #7613
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    hayoc wrote: »
    Youths own their own houses these days?

    They are certainly doing better than youths of previous generations!

    Even drinking outdoors young lads are getting it in the neck. Someone was giving out on a local page yesterday about some lads drinking take away pints (They left the spot they were drinking them spotless). Thankfully he got evicerated by the majority of those who replied.


  • #7614
    hayoc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 199 ✭✭hayoc


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Even drinking outdoors young lads are getting it in the neck. Someone was giving out on a local page yesterday about some lads drinking take away pints (They left the spot they were drinking them spotless). Thankfully he got evicerated by the majority of those who replied.

    Its a bit low class to see gangs of people drinking outdoors in non designated areas - what are they doing for a bathroom, or to wash their hands?

    I dont really mind if they are behaving themselves, but unfortunately the booze can addle the brain and anti social/irresponsible behaviour can ensue.

    But right now (in Dublin anyway) you are only supposed to be meeting with people from one other household and reducing the frequency of your contacts so its irresponsible for "some lads" to be gathering in a group drinking (unless they were all from just 2 households - or in a county thats on level 2?).


  • #7615
    topper75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »
    Yeah because they are really being asked to postpone their youth :rolleyes:, it hasn't even been 8 months yet ffs.

    8 months. And the big cavalry charge of the 'vaccine' is when exactly? In that context, I'm afraid the "f**k it" principle applies.

    I hold no grudge against any youngster living their life. It is their birthright. I don't subscribe to this idea that we can save old people from death if only we are careful enough. Life will go on but individuals do not.


  • #7616
    topper75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    average_runner wrote: »
    And this is one of the reasons we can't do what Sweden is doing.


    Sooner we do the basics right sooner we can get things moving again and can have the parties.

    Are you talking about eradication?


  • #7617
    hayoc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 199 ✭✭hayoc


    topper75 wrote: »
    8 months. And the big cavalry charge of the 'vaccine' is when exactly? In that context, I'm afraid the "f**k it" principle applies.

    I hold no grudge against any youngster living their life. It is their birthright. I don't subscribe to this idea that we can save old people from death if only we are careful enough. Life will go on but individuals do not.

    Laughable stuff.

    What about the birthright of the people who are vulnerable or have compromised immunity?


  • #7618
    doireann08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 402 ✭✭doireann08


    whats the story with gyms? Thought they were only open for 1:1 tuition. Passed by one earlier ( its above my local shop). They were holding classes.


  • #7619
    topper75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    hayoc wrote: »
    Laughable stuff.

    What about the birthright of the people who are vulnerable or have compromised immunity?

    They also have the right to live their lives as they see fit within whatever capacity they have. This was also the case pre-2020, when a myriad of OTHER infectious diseases were out there. The arrival of a new virus has simply triggered a wild political overreaction. The threat to the lives of the vulnerable has not changed by any massive magnitude in relative terms. The curtailment of the lives of the young and healthy has however been massive in relative terms.

    We've gotten this wrong. If it is not evident now - it will be in just a few years.


  • #7620
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    Bigboldworld wrote: »
    Ha, remembered why i logged out of this debate a long time ago, I’ve done more than basic research,, so let me get this straight, outdoor groupings of say ten people poses no threat if one of the group has the virus because they’re outdoors, would love to see the research on that, note I’m talking in a group of people less than one foot from each other. In such circumstances would it not be better to wear a face covering? I’m guessing you’ll find a way to say no.

    On this basis you must also be in the camp that believes up to 10 times or more of the official recorded positive cases have been infected given how virulent it is and therefore we are closer to herd immunity than people think, correct?


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  • #7621
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,881 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    topper75 wrote: »
    Are you talking about eradication?




    Nope, just under control. We have other treatments on going in the hospitals and we don't want them to stop again.


    People would like to visit their parents in nursing homes and maybe take them out for a few hours.


    If we can learn to live and control the virus we can go back to normal.


    Right now we are heading for a total lockdown in a month or so.


    Its in our own hands on what happens


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