How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

Will Yam · 22-09-2020 07:16PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Keeping doors open in all weathers is the most stupid idea yet - and there have been a few contenders.

Zero deaths again today.

This 'killer' virus doesn't seem to be living up to the hysteria-hype.

The fact that there are zero deaths today is irrelevant.

We have 16 cases in ICU, and 94 in hospital. About 3 weeks ago that was 8 or 9 in ICU, and about 15 in hospital. The risk here is that the health system becomes overwhelmed. If the trend keeps going it will be overwhelmed, and that of itself will accelerate deaths.

Will Yam · 22-09-2020 07:18PM

irishblessing wrote: »

No, that's what you're doing.

Where did anyone speak to that agenda. Point that out.

And as for no PPE, what PPE do they want? Or need?

irishblessing · 22-09-2020 07:30PM

Will Yam wrote: »

And as for no PPE, what PPE do they want? Or need?

I can't speak for what "they" want. Maybe teachers can answer better. If it were me and going off what I've read from teachers, (and if everyone had the same level of protections as other schools)... perspex shields in the front of the class. Masks/shields provided. Desks that have shields around them. All students (including primary 1-6) wearing masks.

Also, are you going to answer the question regarding the agenda to close schools as you claimed?

Will Yam · 22-09-2020 07:36PM

irishblessing wrote: »

I can't speak for what "they" want. Maybe teachers can answer better. If it were me and going off what I've read from teachers, (and if everyone had the same level of protections as other schools)... perspex shields in the front of the class. Masks/shields provided. Desks that have shields around them. All students (including primary 1-6) wearing masks.

Also, are you going to answer the question regarding the agenda to close schools as you claimed?

Well if it’s down to masks or visors, and it’s a matter of life or death, I think I’d buy my own, if it was all that important.

Especially as, as a teacher I would be getting an expense allowance of €518 per annum from the revenue commissioners.

lulublue22 · 22-09-2020 07:43PM

Will Yam wrote: »

Not really. It’s for those who characterise the whole school system as consisting of small unventilated classrooms.

Which, of course is utter nonsense, and put out there by those who have an agenda to close the schools.

Again I don’t think anyone characterised the whole school system as consisting of small unventilated classrooms ?
I would think information re physical size of classrooms is the type of information the dep of ed should be able to answer after all they run the school system.
Highlighting issues is not the same as wanting the schools to close but I’m beginning to think you know this.

lulublue22 · 22-09-2020 07:49PM

Will Yam wrote: »

Not really. It’s for those who characterise the whole school system as consisting of small unventilated classrooms.

Which, of course is utter nonsense, and put out there by those who have an agenda to close the schools.

Again I don’t think anyone characterised the whole school system as consisting of small unventilated classrooms ?
I would think information re physical size of classrooms is the type of information the dep of ed should be able to answer after all they run the school system.
Highlighting issues is not the same as wanting the schools to close but I’m beginning to think you know this.

wirelessdude01 · 22-09-2020 07:51PM

Lads and ladies, we've been rumbled in our plan to get the schools closed.

Smacruairi · 22-09-2020 07:52PM

Will Yam wrote: »

Well if it’s down to masks or visors, and it’s a matter of life or death, I think I’d buy my own, if it was all that important.

Especially as, as a teacher I would be getting an expense allowance of €518 per annum from the revenue commissioners.

Come off it, I worked in a warehouse and was given safety shoes, high vis, hard hat and a full day's training on safety protocols. Staff in schools during a pandemic were given... A video to watch for 30mins. Masks weren't even made mandatory for secondary schools until just before the return, and only owing to massive public pressure. Jesus christ.

khalessi · 22-09-2020 08:05PM

Well a virologist at Queen's University in Belfast has said that towns in Northern Ireland, including Newry and Derry, have seen a tripling in the number of positive cases of the Covid-19 virus over the last two weeks. Dr Courtney said the jump in cases is linked to the opening up of schools and universities and the greater restrictions should "help to keep a handle on it".
He said that people under the age of 18 made up only 10% of positive cases in the early months of the pandemic, but in the last seven days it has risen to 25% among this age profile.

This suggests it is linked to the increased interaction among young people at their schools.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0922/1166688-coronavirus-northern-ireland/

byhookorbycrook · 22-09-2020 08:07PM

Irish classrooms are too small for the numbers in them . Most classrooms don’t have space for 1 m between desks , which is the reason for calling the normal
“ table groups “ pods .
Ventilation wise, I have 2 windows in my room that open out about 10 inches each at most . Unless the door is open, I don’t have air circulating - and that’s in a new build . Prefabs / older rooms are even worse , of course , so yes , the vast majority of Irish rooms are too small .

khalessi · 22-09-2020 08:09PM

Smacruairi wrote: »

Come off it, I worked in a warehouse and was given safety shoes, high vis, hard hat and a full day's training on safety protocols. Staff in schools during a pandemic were given... A video to watch for 30mins. Masks weren't even made mandatory for secondary schools until just before the return, and only owing to massive public pressure. Jesus christ.

As a nurse, I didnt have to buy ppe and also had a revenue uniform allowance. But sure as a teacher I should now buy my own ppe (which I have) along with furnishing my classroom, buying necessary books, and also make sure I dont steal the cleaning equipment. Fabulous

combat14 · 22-09-2020 08:12PM

Boris Johnson tonight:

The tragic reality of having covid is that your mild cough can be someone else’s death knell

The struggle against Covid is the single biggest crisis the world has faced in my lifetime.

Here in the UK we mourn every person we have lost, and we grieve with their families.

And yet I am more certain than ever that this is a struggle that humanity will win, and we in this country will win – and to achieve what we must I want to talk to you directly tonight about the choices that we face – none of them easy – and why we must take action now.

looks like serious new measures about to be introduced in the UK ..

200,000+ dead in the US in about 6 months

schools opened or closed will be the least of our concerns if we dont start taking this virus seriously

lawrencesummers · 23-09-2020 08:03AM

Will Yam wrote: »

The fact that there are zero deaths today is irrelevant.

We have 16 cases in ICU, and 94 in hospital. About 3 weeks ago that was 8 or 9 in ICU, and about 15 in hospital. The risk here is that the health system becomes overwhelmed. If the trend keeps going it will be overwhelmed, and that of itself will accelerate deaths.

That happened last March.

wirelessdude01 · 23-09-2020 08:04AM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

That happened last March.

Are you saying that just because it happened before that it won't happen again?

Jinglejangle69 · 23-09-2020 08:12AM

combat14 wrote: »

Boris Johnson tonight:

The tragic reality of having covid is that your mild cough can be someone else’s death knell

The struggle against Covid is the single biggest crisis the world has faced in my lifetime.

Here in the UK we mourn every person we have lost, and we grieve with their families.

And yet I am more certain than ever that this is a struggle that humanity will win, and we in this country will win – and to achieve what we must I want to talk to you directly tonight about the choices that we face – none of them easy – and why we must take action now.

looks like serious new measures about to be introduced in the UK ..

200,000+ dead in the US in about 6 months

schools opened or closed will be the least of our concerns if we dont start taking this virus seriously

I stopped reading at Boris Johnson.

Who reacted better at the start of the pandemic?

The UK government or the Irish government?

JimmyVik · 23-09-2020 09:17AM

Outbreaks up to 19th Sep

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-19outbreaksclustersinireland/COVID-19%20Weekly%20Outbreak%20Highlights_Week382020_web%20version_v1.0_21092020.pdf

See the * for schools.
Again, the rules are different for schools.
What is acceptable in schools for this virus would not be acceptable anywhere else.

Also they can give detailed breakdowns for travelers, roma, direct provision centers, prisons, but not for schools.

Be honest about schools please.

deliege · 23-09-2020 09:34AM

https://www.cmaj.ca/content/192/38/E1102

Have we misjudged the role of children in spreading COVID-19?
Lauren Vogel, CMAJ September 21, 2020

Kids may play a bigger role in the spread of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus-2 (SARS-CoV-2) than initially suspected, according to Ontario’s science advisory table on coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19).

“Early suggestions that children are considerably less important drivers of SARS-CoV-2 transmission than adults are not confirmed by more recent research,” the expert group cautioned in a science brief. “Children could play a relevant role in SARS-CoV-2 transmission and school closures may have been important contributors to the containment of the COVID-19 pandemic.”

According to the latest evidence, kids older than 10 are just as likely to be infected or infect others with SARS-CoV-2. The picture is less clear when it comes to younger kids because of blind spots in the research, says Dr. Peter Juni, executive director of Ontario’s COVID-19 science advisory table.

Children have been “dramatically underrepresented” in COVID-19 case counts because they are less likely than adults to show symptoms and therefore may escape detection, Juni explains. Especially early in the pandemic, “there were a lot of biased studies, and people were really uncritical of that.”

For example, contact tracing studies that tested only kids with symptoms of COVID-19 were “obviously biased,” given that young children are more likely to be asymptomatic, Juni says. (...)

...

lawrencesummers · 23-09-2020 10:11AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Are you saying that just because it happened before that it won't happen again?

I’m saying it started last March and is ongoing.
When our health system has to cancel treating sick people that’s the definition of being overrun.

It’s just not over run in the wartime people on trolleys in the car park type of way, but over run in a more managed way of stop coming in here for your necessary scans, tests and operations because We can’t do them.

Blondini · 23-09-2020 10:34AM

JimmyVik wrote: »

Outbreaks up to 19th Sep

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-19outbreaksclustersinireland/COVID-19%20Weekly%20Outbreak%20Highlights_Week382020_web%20version_v1.0_21092020.pdf

See the * for schools.
Again, the rules are different for schools.
What is acceptable in schools for this virus would not be acceptable anywhere else.

Also they can give detailed breakdowns for travelers, roma, direct provision centers, prisons, but not for schools.

Be honest about schools please.

That simple asterisk is such an embarrassing reflection of the government's insistence on hammering home their incorrect and neglectful message about schools.

Will Yam · 23-09-2020 10:47AM

Blondini wrote: »

That simple asterisk is such an embarrassing reflection of the government's insistence on hammering home their incorrect and neglectful message about schools.

It’s 2.3% of total cases in latest week. What further breakdown of this 2.3% do you want?

wirelessdude01 · 23-09-2020 10:48AM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

I’m saying it started last March and is ongoing.
When our health system has to cancel treating sick people that’s the definition of being overrun.

It’s just not over run in the wartime people on trolleys in the car park type of way, but over run in a more managed way of stop coming in here for your necessary scans, tests and operations because We can’t do them.

I'm guessing you forgot the un infront of necessary as otherwise that makes no sense.

Blondini · 23-09-2020 10:50AM

Will Yam wrote: »

It’s 2.3% of total cases in latest week. What further breakdown of this 2.3% do you want?

It's the only one with an asterisk, silly.
Leave the important stuff to the grownups, Willy.

Will Yam · 23-09-2020 10:55AM

Blondini wrote: »

It's the only one with an asterisk, silly.
Leave the important stuff to the grownups, Willy.

It has an asterisk because it clarifies that it’s related to school children and or staff.

All 11 of them out of a million.........!

Blondini · 23-09-2020 10:59AM

Will Yam wrote: »

It has an asterisk because it clarifies that it’s related to school children and or staff.

All 11 of them out of a million.........!

11/1000000 ?

Oh dear, you've put outbreaks as a fraction of people.

Talk soon. Bye xxxx.

Will Yam · 23-09-2020 11:00AM

JimmyVik wrote: »

Outbreaks up to 19th Sep

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-19outbreaksclustersinireland/COVID-19%20Weekly%20Outbreak%20Highlights_Week382020_web%20version_v1.0_21092020.pdf

See the * for schools.
Again, the rules are different for schools.
What is acceptable in schools for this virus would not be acceptable anywhere else.

Also they can give detailed breakdowns for travelers, roma, direct provision centers, prisons, but not for schools.

Be honest about schools please.

There are 18 categories reported on in total. They don’t give detailed breakdowns of any of the other 16.

Are they being dishonest about all 16, or have they singled out schools to be dishonest about?

Will Yam · 23-09-2020 11:02AM

Blondini wrote: »

11/1000000 ?

Oh dear, you've put outbreaks as a fraction of people.

Talk soon. Bye xxxx.

There are 1,000,000 students. (And probably a further 50,000 or so staff).

There were 11 cases last week.

What’s so difficult to understand?

Are these very low figures a disappointment to you?

wirelessdude01 · 23-09-2020 11:04AM

Will Yam wrote: »

There are 1,000,000 students. (And probably a further 50,000 or so staff).

There were 11 cases last week.

What’s so difficult to understand?

Are these very low figures a disappointment to you?

Sorry to disappoint ya Willy but there were more than 11 cases in schools in the town nearest to where I work. Tut tut.

JimmyVik · 23-09-2020 11:33AM

Will Yam wrote: »

There are 1,000,000 students. (And probably a further 50,000 or so staff).

There were 11 cases last week.

What’s so difficult to understand?

Are these very low figures a disappointment to you?

You are embarrassing yourself at this stage.
Just stop now will ya.

Will Yam · 23-09-2020 11:35AM

JimmyVik wrote: »

You are embarrassing yourself at this stage.
Just stop now will ya.

I fully appreciate that 11 outbreaks across 4000 schools, and 1,000,000 students is a serious serious risk.

All schools should be shut immediately.

JimmyVik · 23-09-2020 11:38AM

Will Yam wrote: »

I fully appreciate that 11 outbreaks across 4000 schools, and 1,000,000 students is a serious serious risk.

All schools should be shut immediately.

Jesus. :rolleyes:
You just keep digging. Would you ever just read your last few posts, go back to bed and give everyone a break.

How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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