How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

Tokyo · 22-09-2020 01:30PM

Mod: @teachinggal123 - you have been cut a *lot* of slack here in the last few months - not for your point of view, but for the antagonistic and condescending way you are coming across in this thread, and given your most recent posts, I'm finding it very hard to believe you aren't trying to wind people up or goad them in some way. Choose your next words very carefully please because if it continues in this vein I will ban you from the thread.

irishblessing · 22-09-2020 01:30PM

Will Yam wrote: »

Just imagine how our society would have functioned if nurses, doctors, and supermarket checkout operators had demanded a guarantee of covid free before they would do a days work?

None of them work in often small, over-crowded, unventilated rooms without PPE. Primary teachers working in same conditions with a certain age group of kids that the WHO/Unicef/CDC have said can contract and spread the virus at least as well as adults do and recommend masks in certain settings, yet our NPHET team seems to be ignoring this.
Very disingenuous comment.
As a *non-teacher* by the way.

22-09-2020 01:32PM

teachinggal123 wrote: »

Instead of making personal comments about me do you have any comment about all the teachers posting here (including yourself) when they are meant to be working?

I don't think its inappropriate for you to hold yourself to the same standards you are expecting of others

irishblessing · 22-09-2020 01:43PM

teachinggal123 wrote: »

Instead of making personal comments about me do you have any comment about all the teachers posting here (including yourself) when they are meant to be working?

I call it as I see it. I'm not a teacher. I'm a parent who works from home (for myself). I don't have any comment about teacher's posting here except fair play, I really value their opinions and insight. And if those teachers are posting here during the day, and I were to assume anything (which I don't), it would be that of course they're off work or on break. Teachers are professionals who are teaching all day or out in the yard so it's only obvious. I wouldn't be so rude to confront them on an Internet forum when it's not my place and their business is their own. Have some respect.

Hope that answer satisfies you.

Dozyart · 22-09-2020 01:50PM

My daughters primary school emailed everyone to say that there was a suspected case in school,then the class teachers emailed to say it wasnt their class and everything is carrying on as before.....seemingly the school found out the kids muppet parents sent them into school while waiting on a test result!

washman3 · 22-09-2020 02:07PM

Deleted User wrote: »

She still had a bad cough and was feeling ill. Of course I would still keep her off school. I wanted to be sure she wasn't infectious. Just because she didn't have covid doesn't mean she couldn't give something to another child.

Plus, because she is so young, her classmates may not be comfortable sitting beside someone who is coughing and snotting with everything you see in the news.

But sure, laugh or cry as you see fit.

In that case you did the right thing. i would have done the same thing.
It's just you had not stated she was like this in your previous post.

niamh247 · 22-09-2020 02:49PM

For permission to skip school, school asks for letter from Doctor, Tulsa tells to contact some inspector .. no one seems to be able to grant or help. What are rights of parents in protecting child's health in Ireland? Are we supposed to just keep sending the kid against our wish and with all this mental tension?

22-09-2020 03:11PM

niamh247 wrote: »

For permission to skip school, school asks for letter from Doctor, Tulsa tells to contact some inspector .. no one seems to be able to grant or help. What are rights of parents in protecting child's health in Ireland? Are we supposed to just keep sending the kid against our wish and with all this mental tension?

Some are homeschooling.

https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/homeschooling-practical-guide-ireland-5175770-Aug2020/

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/surge-in-applications-among-parents-to-homeschool-children-1.4341363

https://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/healthandwellbeing/arid-40035014.html

niamh247 · 22-09-2020 03:28PM

Balagan1 wrote: »

Some are homeschooling.

https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/homeschooling-practical-guide-ireland-5175770-Aug2020/

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/surge-in-applications-among-parents-to-homeschool-children-1.4341363

https://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/healthandwellbeing/arid-40035014.html

Many thanks for the info. How easy it is to get permission for homeschooling? I am a scientist and software professional working from home, have loads of time on my hands. My wife is a graduate and doesn't work. We are a techie family, in general. We both are capable of teaching well. I'm well versed in all subjects - science and non-science. We can invest on any material needed. Kindly advise!!

mirrorwall14 · 22-09-2020 03:31PM

niamh247 wrote: »

Many thanks for the info. How easy it is to get permission for homeschooling? I am a scientist and software professional working from home, have loads of time on my hands. My wife is a graduate and doesn't work. We are a techie family, in general. We both are capable of teaching well. I'm well versed in all subjects - science and non-science. We can invest on any material needed. Kindly advise!!

You don't specifically need permission as far as I know

History Queen · 22-09-2020 03:45PM

niamh247 wrote: »

Many thanks for the info. How easy it is to get permission for homeschooling? I am a scientist and software professional working from home, have loads of time on my hands. My wife is a graduate and doesn't work. We are a techie family, in general. We both are capable of teaching well. I'm well versed in all subjects - science and non-science. We can invest on any material needed. Kindly advise!!

Get in contact with these guys they might be able to offer specific advice

https://www.henireland.org/

22-09-2020 03:47PM

niamh247 wrote: »

Many thanks for the info. How easy it is to get permission for homeschooling? I am a scientist and software professional working from home, have loads of time on my hands. My wife is a graduate and doesn't work. We are a techie family, in general. We both are capable of teaching well. I'm well versed in all subjects - science and non-science. We can invest on any material needed. Kindly advise!!

You need to register with TUSLA (Child and Family Agency)
Basic info here https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/education/the_irish_education_system/home_education.html

and the articles in the links I posted also have very helpful information. I homeschooled for a year but it was abroad and aimed at getting a primary school child ready for education in an English language school after years in local foreign language school. I cheated a bit and used what was then called a correspondence course, a very good one. Sounds like your family would handle things very well.

Will Yam · 22-09-2020 04:45PM

irishblessing wrote: »

None of them work in often small, over-crowded, unventilated rooms without PPE. Primary teachers working in same conditions with a certain age group of kids that the WHO/Unicef/CDC have said can contract and spread the virus at least as well as adults do and recommend masks in certain settings, yet our NPHET team seems to be ignoring this.
Very disingenuous comment.
As a *non-teacher* by the way.

Quite clearly your have never spent hours stacking shelves in convenience stores.

lulublue22 · 22-09-2020 04:56PM

Will Yam wrote: »

Quite clearly your have never spent hours stacking shelves in convenience stores.

Are you comparing working in a convenience store to having 30 children plus a teacher and perhaps an SNA in a small room for 6 hours a day? Not in the same level at all.

irishblessing · 22-09-2020 05:02PM

Will Yam wrote: »

Quite clearly your have never spent hours stacking shelves in convenience stores.

hahahhahahahhahahhahaha this is funny because my first job I held for 6 years was at a family owned grocery shop.:pac:
I genuinely just had a big laugh, thanks for that!

mirrorwall14 · 22-09-2020 05:06PM

irishblessing wrote: »

hahahhahahahhahahhahaha this is funny because my first job I held for 6 years was at a family owned grocery shop.:pac:
I genuinely just had a big laugh, thanks for that!

I’d say loads of teachers worked in grocery stores at some stage. Did four years in Dunnes myself mostly on the floor but some on customer service. None of that is the same situation as my classroom and definitely not the same now with covid restrictions and limited numbers in the shops

combat14 · 22-09-2020 05:20PM

Students already asking for doors to be closed in classrooms as they find it distracting...

Management states that ventilating rooms .. i.e. "keeping doors/window" open is only a recommendation ..

still only September and great to see the gradual erosion of the bare minimum health and safety measures that are in place....

Will Yam · 22-09-2020 06:23PM

lulublue22 wrote: »

Are you comparing working in a convenience store to having 30 children plus a teacher and perhaps an SNA in a small room for 6 hours a day? Not in the same level at all.

No, I’m not.

I’m simply responding to the assertion that teachers, uniquely, aren’t the only ones who may have to work in unventilated conditions.

lulublue22 · 22-09-2020 06:30PM

Will Yam wrote: »

No, I’m not.

I’m simply responding to the assertion that teachers, uniquely, aren’t the only ones who may have to work in unventilated conditions.

I don’t think anyone said they were ? I think the issue arises with the number of bodies in said small unventilated conditions.

ETA Re read the post you were replying to - you may have missed the overcrowded with no PPE part of the post.

wirelessdude01 · 22-09-2020 06:33PM

lulublue22 wrote: »

I don’t think anyone said they were ? I think the issue arises with the number of bodies in said small unventilated conditions.

ETA Re read the post you were replying to - you may have missed the overcrowded with no PPE part of the post.

Willy just likes to try and be controversial.

facehugger99 · 22-09-2020 06:41PM

combat14 wrote: »

Students already asking for doors to be closed in classrooms as they find it distracting...

Management states that ventilating rooms .. i.e. "keeping doors/window" open is only a recommendation ..

still only September and great to see the gradual erosion of the bare minimum health and safety measures that are in place....

Keeping doors open in all weathers is the most stupid idea yet - and there have been a few contenders.

Zero deaths again today.

This 'killer' virus doesn't seem to be living up to the hysteria-hype.

downthemiddle · 22-09-2020 06:52PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Keeping doors open in all weathers is the most stupid idea yet - and there have been a few contenders.

Zero deaths again today.

This 'killer' virus doesn't seem to be living up to the hysteria-hype.

I have no doubt you are familiar with stupid ideas.

Will Yam · 22-09-2020 07:01PM

lulublue22 wrote: »

I don’t think anyone said they were ? I think the issue arises with the number of bodies in said small unventilated conditions.

ETA Re read the post you were replying to - you may have missed the overcrowded with no PPE part of the post.

And how many teachers spend all day in small unventilated conditions?

I find it rather difficult to understand why every classroom in the country is both small and unventilated.

Smacruairi · 22-09-2020 07:03PM

Will Yam wrote: »

And how many teachers spend all day in small unventilated conditions?

I find it rather difficult to understand why every classroom in the country is both small and unventilated.

When you are arguing on the side of Ciara Kelly, you should really stop and pause.

Will Yam · 22-09-2020 07:05PM

Smacruairi wrote: »

When you are arguing on the side of Ciara Kelly, you should really stop and pause.

Any chance of an answer to the point I made?

Or can we take it that not all classrooms are small or unventilated?

lulublue22 · 22-09-2020 07:06PM

Will Yam wrote: »

And how many teachers spend all day in small unventilated conditions?

I find it rather difficult to understand why every classroom in the country is both small and unventilated.

That’s a question for the gov to answer don’t you think ?

irishblessing · 22-09-2020 07:09PM

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Will Yam wrote: »

Any chance of an answer to the point I made?

Or can we take it that not all classrooms are small or unventilated?

Come off it with your annoying and senseless questions. Obviously no one is going to make a claim that ALL classrooms are small or unventilated. What we do know though is Ireland has one of the highest class sizes in Europe. We know that there are issues with social distancing in schools hence the "where possible" language in the guidelines. And the fact that many school buildings across the country are very small, old buildings and we haven't invested like we should in education.

Will Yam · 22-09-2020 07:09PM

lulublue22 wrote: »

That’s a question for the gov to answer don’t you think ?

Not really. It’s for those who characterise the whole school system as consisting of small unventilated classrooms.

Which, of course is utter nonsense, and put out there by those who have an agenda to close the schools.

Will Yam · 22-09-2020 07:11PM

irishblessing wrote: »

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Come off it with your annoying and senseless questions. Obviously no one is going to make a claim that ALL classrooms are small or unventilated. What we do know though is Ireland has one of the highest class sizes in Europe. We know that there are issues with social distancing in schools hence the "where possible" language in the guidelines. And the fact that many school buildings across the country are very small, old buildings and we haven't invested like we should in education.

I do apologise for my annoying and senseless questions.

I just have this habit of calling out those who pick a few examples and then use that to generalise and characterise the whole situation.

Especially when they do that with the agenda of shutting our schools.

irishblessing · 22-09-2020 07:11PM

Will Yam wrote: »

I do apologise for my annoying and senseless questions.

I just have this habit of calling out those who pick a few examples and then use that to generalise and characterise the whole situation.

Especially when they do that with the agenda of shutting our schools.

No, that's what you're doing.

Where did anyone speak to that agenda. Point that out.

How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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