Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

GooglePlus · 22-09-2020 01:38PM

Déjà Vu

screamer · 22-09-2020 01:39PM

We threw everything we had at this virus last spring/ summer. We’ve little left now, and it’s now that the surge is going to come. A tough lockdown may be needed, but we cannot afford it, we couldn’t afford it back in spring either tbh. So, stock up your PPE, sanitizer etc.

Widdensushi · 22-09-2020 01:39PM

There is no full lockdown coming, stop Scaremongering, there are less than twenty in icu with covid, there are other options to increase icu capacity if it was needed, lockdown is a long way down the list

Hawthorn Tree · 22-09-2020 01:39PM

what does lockdown even mean anymore

is_that_so · 22-09-2020 01:42PM

D.Q wrote: »

Because people use this thread for hysterical venting and projection.

People use this thread because they are human and they respond in human ways, a bit like this post really!

rovers_runner · 22-09-2020 01:43PM

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

what does lockdown even mean anymore

For everyday life that's enough, everything is a haze now.
When sport, music, arts and travel are not available to all to play/watch then everything else is meh.

Work/food/transport/utilities etc will happen regardless of level 1-5

GooglePlus · 22-09-2020 01:43PM

Widdensushi wrote: »

There is no full lockdown coming, stop Scaremongering, there are less than twenty in icu with covid, there are other options to increase icu capacity if it was needed, lockdown is a long way down the list

You must be in denial. How long did it take our ICU figures to get to the numbers they are at now and what does past experience tell us about what way they will go, if cases continue to rise (which they will under current measures).

You're doing yourself an injustice by not allowing another lockdown be a possibility in your head.

Irish Steve · 22-09-2020 01:47PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

These same restrictions have been in place for almost 3 months in Leicester and have made little difference.
The two chief expert advisers were wheeled out yesterday to scare the bejasus out of the population so that the announcement today wouldn’t seem too onerous.
There was one sinister hint that the military could be used to “help the police”. Things are getting serious over there.

A few minutes later he went on to add a comment that wasn't meant (I hope) to be taken so literally, said that if necessary, they would use stronger "firepower" to overcome Covid.

It was clear he meant using total lockdown as a stronger control strategy, but we can be very sure that there will be plenty of people who will interpret that as using the military in a more substantive manner.

is_that_so · 22-09-2020 01:47PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

You must be in denial. How long did it take our ICU figures to get to the numbers they are at now and what does past experience tell us about what way they will go, if cases continue to rise (which they will under current measures).

You're doing yourself an injustice by not allowing another lockdown be a possibility in your head.

It's plan ZZ and to be avoided at all costs. We really will need to get to a very bad place for it to happen. 1000 cases a day would probably be the threshold.

GooglePlus · 22-09-2020 01:50PM

is_that_so wrote: »

It's plan ZZ and to be avoided at all costs. We really will need to get to a very bad place for it to happen. 1000 cases a day would probably be the threshold.

I think it should be higher than 1000 cases per day and should really be based on ICU figures anyway.

Increased testing will see us near 1000 but it can't be compared to the 1000 seen earlier in the year.

MerlinSouthDub · 22-09-2020 01:50PM

rovers_runner wrote: »

I'm not for one minute critical of the workers in the hospitals or care centres, they are the ones who deliver the care and results.
The problem is with planning and resources and decisions on where to allocate funding.

Agree that it is the workers who deliver. But that's true of any healthcare system. Have you ever been to a 3rd world country? Try it sometime. What we have in Ireland is not perfect but it is orders of magnitude better, safer, and more effective than the vast majority of countries in the world.

Piehead · 22-09-2020 01:51PM

Seems to be a number of schools with positive tests. Heard of one primary in SoCoDu today......

is_that_so · 22-09-2020 01:53PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

I think it should be higher than 1000 cases per day and should really be based on ICU figures anyway.

Increased testing will see us near 1000 but it can't be compared to the 1000 seen earlier in the year.

Sure, it's a case of a mindset that is now different. Less panic about seemingly large numbers. 1000 cases a day will deliver a lot more ICU patients even if it's at a slower rate.

celt262 · 22-09-2020 01:53PM

Piehead wrote: »

Seems to be a number of schools with positive tests. Heard of one primary in SoCoDu today......

and....

firemansam4 · 22-09-2020 01:53PM

rovers_runner wrote:

At the end of the day this is what a 3rd World health system leaves you with,choices who lives and dies or the begging bowl to private enterprise to help.

We do not have a 3rd World health system!
I was listening to a nurse on local radio last year who came back from doing voluntary work in Africa, and she was lambasting people who claimed this, and how people really don't realise the vast difference in our health systems here compared to actual 3rd world countries.
Yes sure we do have many problems with it, but it's not a 3rs world health system in any way.

is_that_so · 22-09-2020 01:54PM

Piehead wrote: »

Seems to be a number of schools with positive tests. Heard of one primary in SoCoDu today......

Last check there were about 100 schools affected so a handful more is not alarming nor even unexpected.

GeorgeBailey · 22-09-2020 01:55PM

Piehead wrote: »

Seems to be a number of schools with positive tests. Heard of one primary in SoCoDu today......

There's nothing unusual or unexpected in that. What we don't want to see (but will sooner rather than later imo) would be an outbreak related to a school.

De Danann · 22-09-2020 01:57PM

Is there any data to show what settings the cases are being found in? Apologies if this has been asked and answered before, I'm on mobile and can't search the forum.

Dublin North West has (as of 20th Sept) gone over 200 for its 14 day incidence rate. Is there a particular reason why? Is it the large shopping centre out in Blanchardstown or is there an outbreak in a business or something?

DebDynamite · 22-09-2020 01:59PM

Piehead wrote: »

Seems to be a number of schools with positive tests. Heard of one primary in SoCoDu today......

Is it a cluster? If not, it’s hardly news that a child tested positive in the most infected county with such a high population.

is_that_so · 22-09-2020 01:59PM

De Danann wrote: »

Is there any data to show what settings the cases are being found in? Apologies if this has been asked and answered before, I'm on mobile and can't search the forum.

Dublin North West has (as of 20th Sept) gone over 200 for its 14 day incidence rate. Is there a particular reason why? Is it the large shopping centre out in Blanchardstown or is there an outbreak in a business or something?

Social settings mainly - communions, parties, other gatherings etc. - like other places.

2ndcoming · 22-09-2020 02:06PM

Piehead wrote: »

Seems to be a number of schools with positive tests. Heard of one primary in SoCoDu today......

There will be tons of them.

As most young kids seem to be asymptomatic, and are the only cohort of society encouraged to remain in one room for most of the day mask free while also being the least likely to respect or understand social distancing, by the time one case is established you more than likely already have multiple cases in the class or possibly school at large.

This was what happened in one primary school in Kildare which is now closed for the moment. But it will 100% happen again. The only hope is that these outbreaks don't get out into the community or worse still to their older relatives.

De Danann · 22-09-2020 02:06PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Social settings mainly - communions, parties, other gatherings etc. - like other places.

But why has Dublin NW skyrocketed so much compared to other areas in Dublin?

lukas8888 · 22-09-2020 02:06PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Social settings mainly - communions, parties, other gatherings etc. - like other places.

latest 14 day stats per 100k population Dublin 138,Louth 101 Donegal 96,Waterford 93,Cork 26.

Widdensushi · 22-09-2020 02:10PM

2ndcoming wrote: »

There will be tons of them.

As most young kids seem to be asymptomatic, and are the only cohort of society encouraged to remain in one room for most of the day mask free while also being the least likely to respect or understand social distancing, by the time one case is established you more than likely already have multiple cases in the class or possibly school at large.

This was what happened in one primary school in Kildare which is now closed for the moment. But it will 100% happen again. The only hope is that these outbreaks don't get out into the community or worse still to their older relatives.

Has there been a large primary school closed? I remember at the early stages of schools going back there was one but I think it was a 2 teacher school and it was a teacher or teachers contact that was positive, I thought it was mainly a class sent home.

beaz2018 · 22-09-2020 02:10PM

I see the UK are predicting thousands more deaths based on Professor Ferguson's latest fortune telling exercise (sorry modelling). Didn't he predict 85k deaths in Sweden if they didnt apply strick lockdown? When might they start asking some questions? Of course all Professor Nolan has to do is send out a 10 chain tweet and everyone here laps it up.

Happydays2020 · 22-09-2020 02:12PM

lukas8888 wrote: »

latest 14 day stats per 100k population Dublin 138,Louth 101 Donegal 96,Waterford 93,Cork 26.

Where are these community transmissions taking place?

Was it mistake to move immediately to 100% attendance in schools rather than blending?

Are schools a greater risk than retail?

Are schools a greater risk than socially distanced and well ventilated hospitality establishments?

Is it correct to have a religious position that no matter what schools will stay open?

bb1234567 · 22-09-2020 02:12PM

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

what does lockdown even mean anymore

At this stage it can be anything from your local closing an hour early to the government welding your doors shut

2ndcoming · 22-09-2020 02:13PM

Widdensushi wrote: »

Has there been a large primary school closed? I remember at the early stages of schools going back there was one but I think it was a 2 teacher school and it was a teacher or teachers contact that was positive, I thought it was mainly a class sent home.

As I said, large school in Kildare was closed last week due to multiple confirmed cases.

Following the "stay home if you have symptoms" policy is pointless when most kids don't show any.

is_that_so · 22-09-2020 02:14PM

beaz2018 wrote: »

I see the UK are predicting thousands more deaths based on Professor Ferguson's latest fortune telling exercise (sorry modelling). Didn't he predict 85k deaths in Sweden if they didnt apply strick lockdown? When might they start asking some questions? Of course all Professor Nolan has to do is send out a 10 chain tweet and everyone here laps it up.

Nolan doesn't do death predictions and what he says is how he's done this for months. Unless we nip this in the bud now by keeping our distance and minimising contacts, we could have x daily cases in October is a straightforward message

iguana · 22-09-2020 02:16PM

Widdensushi wrote: »

There is no full lockdown coming, stop Scaremongering, there are less than twenty in icu with covid, there are other options to increase icu capacity if it was needed, lockdown is a long way down the list

How many were in the ICU on March 12th when schools closed? You don't need to have huge amounts of people in an ICU right now in order to understand what is most likely to happen. The realities of exponential growth mean it can go from seeming like a gradual increase in numbers to suddenly being overwhelmed. Why do you think Whitty and Valance have made clear their concern about what they expect to happen in the UK by November if very drastic action isn't taken?

Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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