Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings

funnydoggy · 22-09-2020 11:01AM

uli84 wrote: »

I feel for your grandad, hopefully no more of this nonsense ever again

TBH he'd been seriously depressed as it was over the passing of his wife, I can't imagine the hell he endured alone for the last while.

road_high · 22-09-2020 11:02AM

uli84 wrote: »

I feel for your grandad, hopefully no more of this nonsense ever again

Unfortunately as you can see here there is more than enough headless chickens cheerleading this nonsensical and failed crap.

22-09-2020 11:11AM

funnydoggy wrote: »

Spoke to my elderly grandad yesterday after he went to the pub to see his friends. He paid for his two pints upfront, and they were brought to him while he caught up with his friends.

He went 7 months alone, without having any real anyone social interaction with anyone (bar a relative through a window). When he was telling me on the phone, you could tell he was trying his best not to cry.

7 months to an octogenarian is a long f*cking time.

I'm absolutely delighted for him.

Situations like the above are all over Ireland. Yesterday was a great day for many people.

I can't understand people, especially elderly taking these risks? did you advise him not to go, are you not extremely worried that he was in a pub around people from multiple households.

None of my family will be going near pubs for the foreseeable, of any age as it's just too risky. I don't think he was considering it but we told my father to not even get any idea in his head of going to the pub as its out of the questions at the moment. And this is coming from me a person who was in the multiple times per week for the last decade and a half. I haven’t even had a sit in meal or a coffee in a cafe since March as it’s just all too much of a risk and nowhere is taking near enough precautions.

The reality is the pubs should not be open as its not safe and people have no personal responsibility and just flocked to them yesterday rather than just staying away.

Ginger n Lemon · 22-09-2020 11:16AM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

I can't understand people, especially elderly taking these risks? did you advise him not to go, are you not extremely worried that he was in a pub around people from multiple households.

None of my family will be going near pubs for the foreseeable, of any age as it's just too risky. I don't think he was considering it but we told my father to not even get any idea in his head of going to the pub as its out of the questions at the moment. And this is coming from me a person who was in the multiple times per week for the last decade and a half.

The reality is the pubs should not be open as its not safe and people have no personal responsibility and just flocked to them yesterday rather than just staying away.

Looking at your posts, it is quite evident.

bucketybuck · 22-09-2020 11:16AM

Imagine having the arrogant cheek to tell an 80+ year old man who has been on his own for 7 months that he shouldn't be going to meet his friends. What sort of complete and utter imbecile would actually do that and think that they are in the right?

Anybody who genuinely thinks that has lost all touch with reality and has no perspective whatsoever on the real world and other people.

funnydoggy · 22-09-2020 11:17AM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

I can't understand people, especially elderly taking these risks? did you advise him not to go, are you not extremely worried that he was in a pub around people from multiple households.

Considering he told me at the end of last year that he didn't see life worth living, I am in no position to judge what he does. All he had left were relatives and the handful of friends he'd see each day.

Yesterday he went to the bar to see his eight friends, had socially distanced chats, went home and spend the rest of the day at home alone with his dog.

Keeping him indoors for another few months is a death sentence at his age and mental health status.

Also it isn't your business.

ShyMets · 22-09-2020 11:18AM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

I can't understand people, especially elderly taking these risks? did you advise him not to go, are you not extremely worried that he was in a pub around people from multiple households.

None of my family will be going near pubs for the foreseeable, of any age as it's just too risky. I don't think he was considering it but we told my father to not even get any idea in his head of going to the pub as its out of the questions at the moment. And this is coming from me a person who was in the multiple times per week for the last decade and a half.

The reality is the pubs should not be open as its not safe and people have no personal responsibility and just flocked to them yesterday rather than just staying away.

The elderly are adults also and this may surprise you, but perfectly entitled to make their own decisions.

The Posters father decided he wanted to go to the pub. Thats fine. Some one else's Father may decide not to go to the Pub as they deem the risk too great. That's also fine.

My Father isnt much of a pub goer. But if he did decide to go I wouldn't attempt to stop him.

road_high · 22-09-2020 11:21AM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

I can't understand people, especially elderly taking these risks? did you advise him not to go, are you not extremely worried that he was in a pub around people from multiple households.

None of my family will be going near pubs for the foreseeable, of any age as it's just too risky. I don't think he was considering it but we told my father to not even get any idea in his head of going to the pub as its out of the questions at the moment. And this is coming from me a person who was in the multiple times per week for the last decade and a half. I haven’t even had a sit in meal or a coffee in a cafe since March as it’s just all too much of a risk and nowhere is taking near enough precautions.

The reality is the pubs should not be open as its not safe and people have no personal responsibility and just flocked to them yesterday rather than just staying away.

This is exactly the type of person that would cheerily take away all independence and decision making autonomy from anyone they deem "vulnerable"- all for "their own good". Chilling

dalyboy · 22-09-2020 11:22AM

Gael23 wrote: »

Do we know what is the criteria to move from level 2 down to level 1 restrictions or are they just making it up as they go along?

It’s the science of
(1) lick finger
(2) stick finger in the air
(3) what way is the wind blowing

If that fails , scribble a picture together about aerosols and droplet spread.

Formula is -
“Science” -> media -> induce fear = NPHET can do what they want

iamwhoiam · 22-09-2020 11:22AM

funnydoggy wrote: »

Spoke to my elderly grandad yesterday after he went to the pub to see his friends. He paid for his two pints upfront, and they were brought to him while he caught up with his friends.

He went 7 months alone, without having any real anyone social interaction with anyone (bar a relative through a window). When he was telling me on the phone, you could tell he was trying his best not to cry.

7 months to an octogenarian is a long f*cking time.

I'm absolutely delighted for him.

Situations like the above are all over Ireland. Yesterday was a great day for many people.

Bless him that’s so lovely for him . I hope he had a lovely evening and a lovely sleep after his day out

walus · 22-09-2020 11:22AM

ShyMets wrote: »

The elderly are adults also and this may surprise you, but perfectly entitled to make their own decisions.

The Posters father decided he wanted to go to the pub. Thats fine. Some one else's Father may decide not to go to the Pub as they deem the risk too great. That's also fine.

My Father isnt much of a pub goer. But if he did decide to go I wouldn't attempt to stop him.

Exactly, at which point some people forgot that these elderly and vulnerable people have a right of choice too?

Assetbacked · 22-09-2020 11:23AM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

I can't understand people, especially elderly taking these risks? did you advise him not to go, are you not extremely worried that he was in a pub around people from multiple households.

None of my family will be going near pubs for the foreseeable, of any age as it's just too risky. I don't think he was considering it but we told my father to not even get any idea in his head of going to the pub as its out of the questions at the moment. And this is coming from me a person who was in the multiple times per week for the last decade and a half. I haven’t even had a sit in meal or a coffee in a cafe since March as it’s just all too much of a risk and nowhere is taking near enough precautions.

The reality is the pubs should not be open as its not safe and people have no personal responsibility and just flocked to them yesterday rather than just staying away.

I think you like to think you understand the meaning of "personal responsibility" but personal responsibility is exactly why your post should have no practical application.

If doomers want to wait at home and do their best to avoid getting covid, that is their choice. If that old man wants to take a risk, it should be his personal choice. By not accepting this, you impose extreme restrictions on civil liberties.

22-09-2020 11:26AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Imagine having the arrogant cheek to tell an 80+ year old man who has been on his own for 7 months that he shouldn't be going to meet his friends. What sort of complete and utter imbecile would actually do that and think that they are in the right?

Anybody who genuinely thinks that has lost all touch with reality and has no perspective whatsoever on the real world and other people.

Its not arrogance its advising someone for the good of their health with a deadly disease running wild in the country.

I would most definitely tell an elderly person not to go, I've told people of all ages not to do things over the last few months old and young.

Older people should be isolating bar essential things like going to the shop.

Assetbacked wrote: »

If doomers want to wait at home and do their best to avoid getting covid, that is their choice. If that old man wants to take a risk, it should be his personal choice. By not accepting this, you impose extreme restrictions on civil liberties.

What brain dead imbecile does not want to do their best to avoid getting a potentially deadly disease that has yet unknown long term implications even for those who dont have a severe illness.

However the reason I main reason I don't want to get covid is that I don't want to spread it to vulnerable people, be they parents, grandparents, in-laws, elderly in the community etc. Many posting here simply dont give a sh*t and would happily killed few people with covid so they can do easily avoidable things like eating out, going to the pub, going to house parties etc. This is why we need strict restrictions to force the hand of those too stupid to do so themselves.

Whatsisname · 22-09-2020 11:27AM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

I haven’t even had a sit in meal or a coffee in a cafe since March as it’s just all too much of a risk and nowhere is taking near enough precautions.

The reality is the pubs should not be open as its not safe and people have no personal responsibility and just flocked to them yesterday rather than just staying away.

I've been to 2 restaurants, the gym, the cinema once and got coffee multiple times a week since March, I've only died 6 times but other than that I'm all good.

deathbomber · 22-09-2020 11:28AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Coronavirus: No further deaths and 188 new cases - including 76 in Dublin

https://www.thejournal.ie/latest-figures-covid-19-stats-5211171-Sep2020/

Couple more days like these and Ronan G will say Dublin restrictions are working!

The lack of transparency is so disappointing. The lack of reporting recovered cases is equally disappointing. The need and urge from NPHET to constantly spew fear "more restrictions are considered" etc.etc. is just worrying. Thought E was for emergency? Whats the emergency now? If there is no emergency - should be disbanded?

Is there something we still dont know about covid?

This is all aimed at flattening the curve before flu/viral season, we are in for a major car crash if we don't. If anybody is unfortunate enough to get covid whilst have a dose of something else (not necessarily the flu), they are in for a very rough couple of weeks and a battle. Covid is a nasty enough infection, i have been on the end of it (mild). This goes for young and old, it is imperative we knuckle down and get through the next 5 months.

iamwhoiam · 22-09-2020 11:28AM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Its not arrogance its advising someone for the good of their health with a deadly disease running wild in the country.

I would most definitely tell an elderly person not to go, I've told people of all ages not to do things over the last few months old and young.

Older people should be isolating bar essential things like going to the shop.

If you told me my reply would be “ Mind your own bloody business “
( that’s the polite version )

LessOutragePlz · 22-09-2020 11:31AM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Its not arrogance its advising someone for the good of their health with a deadly disease running wild in the country.

I would most definitely tell an elderly person not to go, I've told people of all ages not to do things over the last few months old and young.

Older people should be isolating bar essential things like going to the shop.

What about their mental health?

Does that not matter at all?

I suppose a few suicides is grand as long as we're all safe from this "deadly" disease that is running wild throughout the country :rolleyes:

funnydoggy · 22-09-2020 11:31AM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Bless him that’s so lovely for him . I hope he had a lovely evening and a lovely sleep after his day out

He did. He has a purpose again!

hynesie08 · 22-09-2020 11:31AM

funnydoggy wrote: »

Considering he told me at the end of last year that he didn't see life worth living, I am in no position to judge what he does. All he had left were relatives and the handful of friends he'd see each day.

Yesterday he went to the bar to see his eight friends, had socially distanced chats, went home and spend the rest of the day at home alone with his dog.

Keeping him indoors for another few months is a death sentence at his age and mental health status.

Also it isn't your business.

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Sounds like he did it in the safest, most responsible way possible, fair play to him, probably added a month onto his life as well.

Some posters see their parents as a commodity, and don't want to risk them because then they'd have to pay for childcare.

ShyMets · 22-09-2020 11:32AM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Its not arrogance its advising someone for the good of their health with a deadly disease running wild in the country.

I would most definitely tell an elderly person not to go, I've told people of all ages not to do things over the last few months old and young.

Older people should be isolating bar essential things like going to the shop.

So older people should just lock themselves away. What if there is no vaccine or effective treatment for Covid in the foreseeable future.

Just expect them to stay in doors for a few years. What kind of a life is that

deathbomber · 22-09-2020 11:35AM

Indeed life needs to continue, depression is very real. However my opinion is it is too late, the teenagers and early 20's age groups are big spreaders and of course the older arrogant dumb wits who think they know it all, i can't see it stopping and thus i believe we will see quite a few young people passing away over the season.:(. Just my opinion. Help your family out and any vulnerable neighbours/friends etc, it's going to be a rough ride

snowcat · 22-09-2020 11:36AM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

You have the will power to talk rubbish so I’m sure you can give me confirmed verified numbers to show Ireland’s death rate is lower than what I have shown.

You are just another covid denier, a Facebook hoax story masquerading as a poster.

https://www.thejournal.ie/antibody-testing-ireland-5181472-Aug2020/

hynesie08 · 22-09-2020 11:37AM

deathbomber wrote: »

Indeed life needs to continue, depression is very real. However my opinion is it is too late, the teenagers and early 20's age groups are big spreaders and of course the older arrogant dumb wits who think they know it all, i can't see it stopping and thus i believe we will see quite a few young people passing away over the season.:(. Just my opinion. Help your family out and any vulnerable neighbours/friends etc, it's going to be a rough ride

Username checks out....

zerosugarbuzz · 22-09-2020 11:37AM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

I can't understand people, especially elderly taking these risks? did you advise him not to go, are you not extremely worried that he was in a pub around people from multiple households.

None of my family will be going near pubs for the foreseeable, of any age as it's just too risky. I don't think he was considering it but we told my father to not even get any idea in his head of going to the pub as its out of the questions at the moment. And this is coming from me a person who was in the multiple times per week for the last decade and a half. I haven’t even had a sit in meal or a coffee in a cafe since March as it’s just all too much of a risk and nowhere is taking near enough precautions.

The reality is the pubs should not be open as its not safe and people have no personal responsibility and just flocked to them yesterday rather than just staying away.

Ah come on and get a grip of yourself. Isolate yourself if you want but leave others to do as they will. Absolute cheek of you telling your father what to do.

deathbomber · 22-09-2020 11:37AM

snowcat wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/antibody-testing-ireland-5181472-Aug2020/

I would 10x that number!

deathbomber · 22-09-2020 11:39AM

hynesie08 wrote: »

Username checks out....

Up to you, just trying to help!

funnydoggy · 22-09-2020 11:39AM

https://news.ki.se/immunity-to-covid-19-is-probably-higher-than-tests-have-shown

T-cells are playing a big part too it seems.

“One interesting observation was that it wasn’t just individuals with verified COVID-19 who showed T-cell immunity but also many of their exposed asymptomatic family members,” says Soo Aleman. “Moreover, roughly 30 per cent of the blood donors who’d given blood in May 2020 had COVID-19-specific T cells, a figure that’s much higher than previous antibody tests have shown.”

funnydoggy · 22-09-2020 11:43AM

hynesie08 wrote: »

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Sounds like he did it in the safest, most responsible way possible, fair play to him, probably added a month onto his life as well.

He did!

He's never been sick a day in his life, apart from shingles a few years ago. He's always been careful in life. This is no different

Neddyusa · 22-09-2020 11:48AM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

I can't understand people, especially elderly taking these risks? did you advise him not to go, are you not extremely worried that he was in a pub around people from multiple households.

None of my family will be going near pubs for the foreseeable, of any age as it's just too risky. I don't think he was considering it but we told my father to not even get any idea in his head of going to the pub as its out of the questions at the moment. And this is coming from me a person who was in the multiple times per week for the last decade and a half. I haven’t even had a sit in meal or a coffee in a cafe since March as it’s just all too much of a risk and nowhere is taking near enough precautions.

The reality is the pubs should not be open as its not safe and people have no personal responsibility and just flocked to them yesterday rather than just staying away.

Pity somebody didn't tell this buck that the virus "is running wild" on the internet.
Then he can go offline too and fully isolate his nonsense from the rest of us.

ranto_boy · 22-09-2020 11:49AM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

However the reason I main reason I don't want to get covid is that I don't want to spread it to vulnerable people, be they parents, grandparents, in-laws, elderly in the community etc.

Serious question, at what point would you think it's ok for you or your family to say go to the pub? What level of covid cases would satisfy that? Or are you staying in until a vaccine comes along?

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