Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

drunkmonkey · 21-09-2020 12:42PM

eagle eye wrote: »

This is exactly what's going on. They don't care so long as the hospitals can handle it. We are heading to a situation where that won't be possible in maybe a months time.

This time last year we had 10,000 people on trolleys, now we have 200 people on trolleys with another 700,000 waiting to get in.
The hospitals haven't coped in a long time, Covid or no Covid.

Hurrache · 21-09-2020 12:42PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Well when you look at New Zealand and how well they've done under a great leader then you can look at your own government and blame them

Again, nothing to do with the government, you know the reasons why, and the differences between Ireland and New Zealand.

Plumbthedepths · 21-09-2020 12:44PM

mandrake04 wrote: »

Shhh Don't mention NZ, people on here don't want hear that sort of stuff.

An island thousands of miles from its nearest neighbour with just one government. That sums up NZ.

ACitizenErased · 21-09-2020 12:44PM

Heard today that the increase in Cork numbers are related to a workplace cluster in Wilton and a nursing home on the northside of the city

Hurrache · 21-09-2020 12:45PM

spookwoman wrote: »

If it's an unknown you either say we don't know or don't say anything at all.

Ok everyone, see with all those things we don't know yet? Time to burn our masks, no bother with restrictions, and you can go back to having snotty fingers again. No point in doing anything until we have all the answers.
See you on the other side.

ACitizenErased · 21-09-2020 12:47PM

spookwoman wrote: »

If it's an unknown you either say we don't know or don't say anything at all.
Look how they handled the face masks at the start, basically lied because of a shortage of PPE and they didn't want people using them.

You think they lied about face masks? I thought this wasn’t a conspiracy thread

Strumms · 21-09-2020 12:47PM

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

I think most people can see how serious it can be for some, but the majority it does not impact significantly

It makes no sense to lock down 95% of the population who it does not seriously impact, to protect the other 5%.

Need to protect the vulnerable and crack on - lockdowns will kill a lot more than the actual virus.

We locked the country down in March and now where are we? Pretty much back where we were....

Lockdown doesnt kill, that utter rubbish, a disgustingly disingenuous argument. Back to reality...the virus sure can kill, make very ill, or if not have that personal impact on everyone it’s still spreading as a contagion with potential to kill and make large health casualties.

95% & 5% , any significant facts to back this up ? numbers I’m reading in the uk suggested that closer to 30% die.

Have to be vigilant and disciplined.

GooglePlus · 21-09-2020 12:48PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You think they lied about face masks? I thought this wasn’t a conspiracy thread

Are you sure it's not, there seems to be a lot of ignorance towards valid sources and studies?

DebDynamite · 21-09-2020 12:49PM

Just heard an ad there for Little Mix playing the 3 Arena 28th April...tickets going on sale this Friday. Surely that couldn’t go ahead? Maybe because i’ve already written off this year, April doesn’t seem so far away, so I don’t know what will be different by then.

They’re going on tour, so maybe they could play other European countries, and canceling Dublin wouldn’t be a huge deal, it if came to that. Would be great if we were in a position where things like this can go ahead.

Just to add, I wouldn’t exactly be a fan or anything (though they do have good tunes!), but it’s the first gig I’ve being announced that wasn’t a rescheduled thing, so just wondering how it could all work out.

Widdensushi · 21-09-2020 12:50PM

Hospital figures starting to show an increase

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0921/1166526-coronavirus-ireland/

We have had long enough to set up facilities to do more tests rather than sending them to Germany surely.

bb1234567 · 21-09-2020 12:50PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Younger people don't see the virus as serious because from day 1 the government made it clear that it only really affects older people and people with underlying health issues.

The government is to blame regarding the attitude of some people towards the virus.

Do you think they should have lied about who it affects?

The government went about this well, they said it is important to maintain caution in order to protect the vulnerable you may pass it on to. I don't see how else you could instill any sense of caution in younger people who will in all likelihood will not experience illness of any severity after contracting covid

GooglePlus · 21-09-2020 12:51PM

DebDynamite wrote: »

Just heard an ad there for Little Mix playing the 3 Arena...tickets going on sale this Friday. Surely that couldn’t go ahead? Maybe because i’ve already written off this year, April doesn’t seem so far away, so I don’t know what will be different by then.

They’re going on tour, so maybe they could play other European countries, and canceling Dublin wouldn’t be a huge deal, it if came to that. Would be great if we were in a position where things like this can go ahead.

Just to add, I wouldn’t exactly be a fan or anything (though they do have good tunes!), but it’s the first gig I’ve being announced that wasn’t a rescheduled thing, so just wondering how it could all work out.

It's a great way to get cashflow and then push the concert down the road with rescheduled dates.

ixoy · 21-09-2020 12:52PM

DebDynamite wrote: »

Just heard an ad there for Little Mix playing the 3 Arena...tickets going on sale this Friday. Surely that couldn’t go ahead? Maybe because i’ve already written off this year, April doesn’t seem so far away, so I don’t know what will be different by then.

What's the harm in living in hope that it does go on? April is half a year away and it could all look very different and hopefully will be.

It's not the only thing by the way - Dublin Comic Con has their Spring edition scheduled for mid-March.

Widdensushi · 21-09-2020 12:52PM

Strumms wrote: »

Lockdown doesnt kill, that utter rubbish, a disgustingly disingenuous argument. Back to reality...the virus sure can kill, make very ill, or if not have that personal impact on everyone it’s still spreading as a contagion with potential to kill and make large health casualties.

95% & 5% , any significant facts to back this up ? numbers I’m reading in the uk suggested that closer to 30% die.

Have to be vigilant and disciplined.

30% of what die?

ACitizenErased · 21-09-2020 12:52PM

Widdensushi wrote: »

Hospital figures starting to show an increase

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0921/1166526-coronavirus-ireland/

We have had long enough to set up facilities to do more tests rather than sending them to Germany surely.

We’ve had 3-4 months, 0 increase in capacity

JP Liz V1 · 21-09-2020 12:53PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Heard today that the increase in Cork numbers are related to a workplace cluster in Wilton and a nursing home on the northside of the city

Skibbereen also has a cluster but not sure how true that is

mandrake04 · 21-09-2020 12:54PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

An island thousands of miles from its nearest neighbour with just one government. That sums up NZ.

An island thousands of miles from its nearest neighbour with just one government and that its population will be living fairly normal life. That sums up NZ.

wadacrack · 21-09-2020 12:55PM

I think we are learning that until a very effective vaccine is available for widespread use that indoor events with people congregated are not viable and come with long term consequences that are not worth it. Pubs and restaurants are not viable business's at the moment and it will be a real struggle for that sector for a number of years. People that argue the herd immunity approach have to acknowledge that the UK and Sweden has changed their approach and with uncertainty surrounding immunity it not really viable either. Suppression of some sort likely for the foreseeable future, the quicker society accept this the better. Rapid testing and quick reliable results also offer good hope for the future.Upscale on effective Testing and treatment also likely to help us get us get better control of super spreading events

bb1234567 · 21-09-2020 12:57PM

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

I think most people can see how serious it can be for some, but the majority it does not impact significantly

It makes no sense to lock down 95% of the population who it does not seriously impact, to protect the other 5%.

Need to protect the vulnerable and crack on - lockdowns will kill a lot more than the actual virus.

We locked the country down in March and now where are we? Pretty much back where we were....

In countries where the virus is uncontrolled, Brazil and Mexico and the US for example, excess deaths per capita are magnitudes higher than excess deaths in countries like Ireland where there are strict ongoing restrictions. Can you please post some evidence to assert your belief that lockdowns kill more than the virus?

dashoonage · 21-09-2020 12:58PM

is the beers fella back from holidays or whats the crack ?

mandrake04 · 21-09-2020 12:58PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

We have had long enough to set up facilities to do more tests rather than sending them to Germany surely.

We’ve had 3-4 months, 0 increase in capacity

ACE maybe have a whip round, testing costs money.

Plumbthedepths · 21-09-2020 12:59PM

mandrake04 wrote: »

An island thousands of miles from its nearest neighbour with just one government and that its population will be living fairly normal life. That sums up NZ.

What's the relevance to Ireland though?

KrustyUCC · 21-09-2020 01:00PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Heard today that the increase in Cork numbers are related to a workplace cluster in Wilton and a nursing home on the northside of the city

Hopefully that means the clusters will work their way out of the figures in the next few days

drunkmonkey · 21-09-2020 01:00PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

Are you sure it's not, there seems to be a lot of ignorance towards valid sources and studies?

There's your studies based in the real world. https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/masking-lack-of-evidence-with-politics/
We have completely ignored the danger of secondary transmission once the media went into crazy mode.
NPHET didn't want face masks used by the general public because of the dangers it was nothing to do with saving them for health care workers, any rag will do and that's not what health professionals were ever using. There are members of NPHET that specifically stated this concern.

We were warned masks could help cases rise, 14 days after the mandate, cases had risen substantially.

It's a policy that needs to be revisited now we have real world data of our own. The mandate was to reduce the spread, it's a failed policy.

mandrake04 · 21-09-2020 01:00PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

What's the relevance to Ireland though?

I would say the relevance at the moment life in NZ is good

Roger_007 · 21-09-2020 01:02PM

“I’ve got chills, they’re multiplying “

KrustyUCC · 21-09-2020 01:02PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Skibbereen also has a cluster but not sure how true that is

Did you hear what the cluster relates to?

ninebeanrows · 21-09-2020 01:03PM

Is the beer baron back today?

Eod100 · 21-09-2020 01:03PM

Briefing 5.30ish as usual this evening https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1308027337192153089?s=19

seamus · 21-09-2020 01:04PM

DebDynamite wrote: »

Just heard an ad there for Little Mix playing the 3 Arena...tickets going on sale this Friday. Surely that couldn’t go ahead? Maybe because i’ve already written off this year, April doesn’t seem so far away, so I don’t know what will be different by then.

I don't know the specifics, but I imagine there are all kinds of contractual obligations here and break clauses and stuff.

Basically whoever blinks first will be left pay to the compensation bill. So until there's official health advice to cancel gigs as far out as next April, it probably works out cheaper for all involved to keep going as normal.

Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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