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Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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  • #8492
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    And image every person over 60 giving up work and being told that's it lads, life as you knew it is over.

    You'd be losing a feckload of teachers, doctors etc with that too. What's the plan then, cram more kids into the other classes?


  • #8493
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The masks have been removed for social gatherings in restaurants, gastropubs and mothers' coffee shop meetings where, unimpressed by the space required to place full meals, they huddle more closely as they exchange chat. I've been observing it a lot. These (particularly middle-class) mums have just come from leaving the kids at school and catching up on the latest, typically in groups of 3/4. That is just one seemingly innocent way that it could have been spreading.

    Sure. But wasn't this happening a fair bit before the masks were brought in so why the sudden upsurge from August?


  • #8494
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Longing wrote: »
    A deal with a German lab to create “surge capacity” to carry out up to 2,000 additional Covid-19 tests a day. If required. So it looks like we will be waiting on numbers from Germany once again. This will make cases more sporadic when they start coming back.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/struggling-hse-agrees-deal-with-german-lab-to-boost-covid-19-testing-capacity-1.4359975

    You would imagine they would direct the monitoring testing to the German labs and keep the irish labs for the hospital, symptomatic and close contact testing which is more likely to be positive requiring quicker action


  • #8495
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,049 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    smellyoldboot wrote: »
    And the assumption by idiots like inebriated primate believe that the other 66% of society can just get on with unfettered while leaving these "undesirables to fend for themselves. None of whom of course have any children, grandchildren, spouses, siblings or hold employment positions important to our society and economy in this idiotic fantasy world.

    You completely misunderstand my view, they need to be protected and should be until we can build immunity if that's even possible to achieve. Looking at Sweden it seems possible now we know what mistakes to avoid.
    One of the suggestion was that care home staff cut all outside contacts for 8 weeks while this blows through. Maybe look at something similar for health care staff.
    I'm in no way advocating throwing the vunrable to the dogs. Just exploring different ideas instead of this whack a mole government strategy.


  • #8496
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,346 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    Subtract all of those people from the total population and you're talking about 60% of people left, maybe even less. Assuming you can even shield successfully, which is utterly impossible. What does that do?

    The economy and society wouldn't be able to function properly.


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  • #8497
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    There is far too much emphasis on a vaccine being only months away. We have no guarantee of that. No vaccine has ever been successfully developed for any coronavirus.
    Even if some kind of vaccine is put on the market in the short term, it could not be guaranteed to be safe because it takes many years to prove that a vaccine is both safe and effective. This is because new vaccines can have long term side effects which don’t become obvious immediately. There is also the probability of manufacturing defects in the early stages of mass production.
    If a vaccine became available tomorrow, I would not be rushing out to get it.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058062347


    A vaccine is on the way.


  • #8498
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Keep on trolling, welcome to my ignore list your in good company.

    Facts, to be ignored. It's how you operate.


  • #8499
    DebDynamite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    MadYaker wrote: »
    Paul Reid from the HSE reckons this adds up to about a third of the population.

    When all this is over, we seriously need to look at how unhealthy we are as a nation.


  • #8500
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,049 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    DebDynamite wrote: »
    Whe all this is over, we seriously need to look at how unhealthy we are as a nation.

    I've just read obesity levels are on the rise here, I'm in no way surprised. Time for a cycle I reckon, have to work off all those €9 meals from the weekend.


  • #8501
    wellwhynot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭wellwhynot


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    What about 20 year olds who are healthy? Look what happened to this 20 something year old who was healthy before being hospitalised with covid.

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/coronavirus-woman-double-lung-transplant-chicago/



    That is one case. There is always a risk with any virus or infection that the organs become inflamed. Nothing new there. Thankfully we haven’t heard anything similar happening in Ireland or even Europe.


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  • #8502
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,751 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    billybonkers wrote: »
    No chance we see a vaccine here before end of 2021 at the absolute earliest

    Uhhhh disagree


  • #8503
    theballz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭theballz


    DebDynamite wrote: »
    When all this is over, we seriously need to look at how unhealthy we are as a nation.

    We probably shouldn't wait until this is over.


  • #8504
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    DebDynamite wrote: »
    Whe all this is over, we seriously need to look at how unhealthy we are as a nation.

    We all seem to have suddenly become aware that as you get older you become more susceptible to all sorts of illnesses and eventually you will get something that you cannot survive.
    There is nothing all that different about Covid19. It’s just another possible cause of death and if you check the statistics on the causes of death for this year it wouldn’t rate very highly on the league table. Cancer, heart disease and strokes will still account for the vast majority of deaths. In fact Covid19 should not be feared all that much because it is so survivable in the vast, vast majority of cases.


  • #8505
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Your at the extreme end there it's highly unlikely that's going to happen, it wouldn't surprise me if that person had CF, Even if they didn't have CF I was surprised they were allowed jump the que.
    Have you another example of it happening in the other 7.594 billion of us?

    What do you mean it's highly unlikely that's going to happen?

    Because it did happen.

    Or are you talking about how special Ireland is and somehow the virus knows if you're Irish or not and if you're Irish, you're grand?


  • #8506
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,562 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    drunkmonkey wrote:
    One of the suggestion was that care home staff cut all outside contacts for 8 weeks while this blows through. Maybe look at something similar for health care staff. I'm in no way advocating throwing the vunrable to the dogs. Just exploring different ideas instead of this whack a mole government strategy.
    Very fair of you to tell healthcare workers to lock down while the gob****es who are causing the issue get away with carrying on as they are. Did you think that one through before you posted?


  • #8507
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    charlietheminxx wrote: »
    I posted this in the testing thread but didn't get any feedback, hoping someone here can help:

    Has anyone had any trouble getting referred for a test?

    I phoned the GP this morning because what was a mildly sore throat yesterday has escalated into a nasty cough. The GP is backlogged so I had to fill out an assessment form on their website for a call back, but when I submitted it said that their current call back time is 24 hours.

    Did this happen to anyone else? Is there anywhere I can phone to get referred for a test faster?

    Any GP can arrange a test, so you could try another. Or wait until after 6pm and contact the out of hours service for your area


  • #8508
    landofthetree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Uhhhh disagree

    We may have a vaccine. But there is a chance we wont have one in 2021.

    Hope isn't a strategy. We need a plan B if a vaccine doesn't happen in 2021.


  • #8509
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    What do you mean it's highly unlikely that's going to happen?

    Because it did happen.

    Or are you talking about how special Ireland is and somehow the virus knows if you're Irish or not and if you're Irish, you're grand?

    33,000 cases in Ireland. How many have required double lung transplants?


  • #8510
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,751 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    DebDynamite wrote: »
    When all this is over, we seriously need to look at how unhealthy we are as a nation.

    When this is all over we need to look at how dilapidated our health service is and do something about it


  • #8511
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Again that's the responsibility of their close family. You have to take personal responsibility as with everything in life. You can't depend on other people as we witness every day.
    Don't misunderstand that and think I'm advocating killing people, it's just a realistic view of the world, at risk people don't need to be told it's up to them they already know it and are taking the necessary precautions.

    No, responsibility does not lie with close family. It's my responsibility to protect others around me. The people i live with, my friends, the people I work with. I work with people that has close family members that are vulnerable. Is it ok if I go into work sick because the responsibility lies with the close family members?


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  • #8512
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,044 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    What do you mean it's highly unlikely that's going to happen?

    Because it did happen.
    Yes but there's a lot of people alas infected now, so you can literally got a "1 in a million" scenario.

    What's unknown still is how common serious side effects might be and what they might be. We've reports coming out and some extreme unfortunate cases.

    I suspect that the risk isn't as bad as some people fear and higher than others think. I'm a bit risk adverse so I'm taking precautions where I can but I'm not going to shut in either.


  • #8513
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    33,000 cases in Ireland. How many have required double lung transplants?

    How many more would you like to see infected to find your answer?


  • #8514
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    When this is all over we need to look at how dilapidated our health service is and do something about it

    Looking at both together may pay dividends for one another


  • #8515
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    There is far too much emphasis on a vaccine being only months away. We have no guarantee of that. No vaccine has ever been successfully developed for any coronavirus.
    Even if some kind of vaccine is put on the market in the short term, it could not be guaranteed to be safe because it takes many years to prove that a vaccine is both safe and effective. This is because new vaccines can have long term side effects which don’t become obvious immediately. There is also the probability of manufacturing defects in the early stages of mass production.
    If a vaccine became available tomorrow, I would not be rushing out to get it.

    Yes there has. There are multiple animal vaccines that are easy and cheap to produce. What it tells us is the the covid vaccine may need to be repeated periodically, but it is technologically feasible.


  • #8516
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    wellwhynot wrote: »
    That is one case. There is always a risk with any virus or infection that the organs become inflamed. Nothing new there. Thankfully we haven’t heard anything similar happening in Ireland or even Europe.

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.euroweeklynews.com/2020/05/29/italian-teen-receives-double-lung-transplant-after-his-lungs-are-burnt-out-from-the-coronavirus/


  • #8517
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    How many more would you like to see infected to find your answer?

    Again how many of the 33,000 infected in Ireland have required a double lung transplant?
    If you have trouble understanding the question let me know and I'll try to phrase it more clearly for you.


  • #8518
    landofthetree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    When this is all over we need to look at how dilapidated our health service is and do something about it

    Our spend per capita on health:
    Ireland spends €4,706 per head of population on healthcare, one-third more than the average across 35 member countries of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD). The State's spend last year was the seventh highest per person in the OECD.Jun 29, 2018

    All we hear is that there is chronic under investment.

    We need reform but FF FG Greens wont do it.

    The opposition tell us we need to spend more and don't mention reform.

    So this government or any potential left wing government wont reform.


  • #8519
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    landofthetree wrote: »
    We may have a vaccine. But there is a chance we wont have one in 2021.

    Hope isn't a strategy. We need a plan B if a vaccine doesn't happen in 2021.

    We may have a vaccine next year but the chances are most of us won't have it available to us until the later years. It would be a logistical feat that would outshine any seen in anyone's lifetime if they managed to produce and distribute a vaccine to the levels needed for global herd immunity in such short notice. Even creating that many glass vials to contain the vaccine is a feat in itself!


  • #8520
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,044 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    landofthetree wrote: »
    So this government or any potential left wing government wont reform.
    Nobody wants to take on the incredible inefficiency in the HSE. It'd require likely a lot of lay offs to start with as part of a structural reform and nobody can stomach that battle as the HSE would grind to a halt. At best a plan could be put in place to not re-fill some bureaucratic posts as retirements and so on come up but that'll take a long time.


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  • #8521
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Fingers in your ears, again.

    Not really, these are outlier cases that the media seems obsessed with digging up.

    There are lots of horror stories involving otherwise healthy people dying from non covid diseases too.


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