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Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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    #8342
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 28,120 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Tony asked people not to blame anyone for the nursing homes, I wonder why?

    Someone will be held to account yet. We've had a few pandemics under his watch, I can't believe it was him he knows better. Was it a government decision in the end I wonder.


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    #8343
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Someone will be held to account yet. We've had a few pandemics under his watch, I can't believe it was him he knows better. Was it a government decision in the end I wonder.

    We may have a tribunal of enquiry at some stage into the future of the handling of the pandemic. I can predict the findings. Systematic failure lessons to be learned ( in other words no individual responsibility)


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    #8344
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users Posts: 5,752 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Someone will be held to account yet. We've had a few pandemics under his watch, I can't believe it was him he knows better. Was it a government decision in the end I wonder.

    NPHET advise, government make decisions, buck lies with the government.
    Unless NPHET also advice HIQA directly?


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    #8345
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 28,120 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    tigger123 wrote: »
    A load of people in Croke Park were shooting up while watching a gig?

    Going by the ground when they left yes it was covered in needles, It was the Vertigo tour in 2005.


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    #8346
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 28,120 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    NPHET advise, government make decisions, buck lies with the government.
    Unless NPHET also advice HIQA directly?

    I know they advise but do you think the decision was ultimately with Simon Harris?.


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    #8347
    copeyhagen
    Registered Users Posts: 4,528 ✭✭✭copeyhagen


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Going by the ground when they left yes it was covered in needles, It was the Vertigo tour in 2005.

    heroin is FAR from a gig drug though.


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    #8348
    tigger123
    Registered Users Posts: 4,459 ✭✭✭tigger123


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Going by the ground when the left yes it was covered in needles, It was the Vertigo tour in 2005.

    I find it very hard to believe that people went to see U2 in Croker in 2005 and decided to shoot up heroin while standing in a crowd and watching Bono and the lads.

    I don't think I've ever seen or heard of anyone injecting heroin at a gig.


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    #8349
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    I know they advise but do you think the decision was ultimately with Simon Harris?.

    HIQA the guys with nursing home oversight has a representative on NPHET.
    Nphet has also spent the last week undermining the government with media leaks. The tail wags the dog.


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    #8350
    normanoffside
    Registered Users Posts: 9,974 ✭✭✭normanoffside


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Tony asked people not to blame anyone for the nursing homes, I wonder why?

    If Tony hadn't F*cked up with the nursing homes then we wouldn't be in such a state of panic and Paranoia now.

    Both Anders Tengell in Sweden and Emmanuel Macron In France have admitted to and apologised for oversight which lead to excessive deaths in Nursing homes. Haven't hearad anything from our overlords.

    https://www.france24.com/en/20200510-sweden-admits-failure-to-protect-elderly-in-care-homes

    https://oltnews.com/36-7-million-people-watch-emmanuel-macron-apologize-for-not-having-prepared-france-for-an-epidemic-daily-mail


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    #8351
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 28,120 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    tigger123 wrote: »
    I find it very hard to believe that people went to see U2 in Croker in 2005 and decided to shoot up heroin while standing in a crowd and watching Bono and the lads.

    I don't think I've ever seen or heard of anyone injecting heroin at a gig.

    Me neither but that's what was on the ground close to where we all were. I remember it clearly, it was one of those jesus christ moments. I didn't see anyone shooting up but must have been a gang of them.


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    #8352
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users Posts: 5,752 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    I know they advise but do you think the decision was ultimately with Simon Harris?.

    I'm not sure who can dictate to the HSE, obviously the health minister, but I'm not sure if he can act alone or needs cabinet approval.
    Makes sense why the new government want to install another buffer between them and NPHET, plausible deniability!


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    #8353
    Del Griffith
    Registered Users Posts: 1,207 ✭✭✭Del Griffith


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    I was at a concert in croke park a good few years ago, held on for a few minutes to let the crowd disperse all around us was covered in needles.
    I'm happy to see young folk taking laughing gas rather than heroin. Yea I know it's against public health advice before you go off on one.

    One of the most ridiculous and least credible posts in here, and that's really saying something in this thread.


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    #8354
    billybonkers
    Registered Users Posts: 2,293 ✭✭✭billybonkers


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Going by the ground when they left yes it was covered in needles, It was the Vertigo tour in 2005.

    No preople were not shooting up at a u2 gig in 2005. Whatever you saw was not needles and they definitely were not all around you. I've been to 100's of gigs in Dublin and never seen a needle lying around after a gig. Why bother making this up?


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    #8355
    tigger123
    Registered Users Posts: 4,459 ✭✭✭tigger123


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Me neither but that's what was on the ground close to where we all were. I remember it clearly, it was one of those jesus christ moments. I didn't see anyone shooting up but must have been a gang of them.

    Yeah...


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    #8356
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    normanoffside wrote: »
    If Tony hadn't F*cked up with the nursing homes then we wouldn't be in such a state of panic and Paranoia now.

    Both Anders Tengell in Sweden and Emmanuel Macron In France have admitted to and apologised for oversight which lead to excessive deaths in Nursing homes. Haven't hearad anything from our overlords.

    https://www.france24.com/en/20200510-sweden-admits-failure-to-protect-elderly-in-care-homes

    https://oltnews.com/36-7-million-people-watch-emmanuel-macron-apologize-for-not-having-prepared-france-for-an-epidemic-daily-mail



    Ah don't blame Tony, how could he have known. It wasn't as if elderly people were falling victim in large numbers elsewhere in Europe that we were aware of.....sssh don't mention Italy.


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    #8357
    smellyoldboot
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭smellyoldboot


    Multiple needles on the ground following a concert by the most middle aged, middle of the road rock bands in existence and where tickets were what €90+ for the cheap seats? Walter Mitty hasn't a patch on you lad.


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    #8358
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 28,120 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    I'm not making it up lads...why would I make up something like that, I go to plenty of gigs, festivals etc and I've never seen anything like it. That was the one and only time I've seen that happen. Maybe there was something else in them but I can't think what else comes in needles besides some types of smoke but there's no way they were doing that either.


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    #8359
    humberklog
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,450 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    U2 in '05 probably had more diabetics than junkies in the audience.


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    #8360
    smellyoldboot
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭smellyoldboot


    Be honest now. It was you were on the skag. There weren't any young people there at all. Where there?


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    #8361
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    U2 fans are the biggest bunch of aul wans. There's no chance there was any heroin at a u2 gig. Ever.


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    #8362
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 28,120 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    humberklog wrote: »
    U2 in '05 probably had more diabetics than junkies in the audience.

    :D sounds more plausible.


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    #8363
    normanoffside
    Registered Users Posts: 9,974 ✭✭✭normanoffside


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Ah don't blame Tony, how could he have known. It wasn't as if elderly people were falling victim in large numbers elsewhere in Europe that we were aware of.....sssh don't mention Italy.

    The truth will hopefully eventually come out, unfortunately too late for all the lives he has destroyed (both the dead and those destroyed by the restrictions as a result).

    A simple acknowledgment from NPHET when asked instead of saying 'no-one is to blame' would have sufficed but they couldn't even admit their mistakes.


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    #8364
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    I'm not making it up lads...why would I make up something like that, I go to plenty of gigs, festivals etc and I've never seen anything like it. That was the one and only time I've seen that happen. Maybe there was something else in them but I can't think what else comes in needles besides some types of smoke but there's no way they were doing that either.

    Well Bono's head was firmly up his own ass by that timeframe so maybe drugs were required to get through his monologues. Good music though.


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    #8365
    Non solum non ambulabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Non solum non ambulabit


    tigger123 wrote: »
    A load of people in Croke Park were shooting up while watching a gig?

    I know?? Makes zero sense.


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    #8366
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    normanoffside wrote: »
    The truth will hopefully eventually come out, unfortunately too late for all the lives he has destroyed (both the dead and those destroyed by the restrictions as a result).

    A simple acknowledgment from NPHET when asked instead of saying 'no-one is to blame' would have sufficed but they couldn't even admit their mistakes.

    Doesn't matter no one will be held responsible. Holohan is a hero in the eyes of many with very short memories.


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    #8367
    forumdedum
    Registered Users Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭forumdedum


    What were the statistics for locking down Kildare etc? Cases per 100,000?


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    #8368
    KrustyUCC
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    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Rumours its a nursing home

    Fermoy area?


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    #8369
    hetuzozaho
    Registered Users Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭hetuzozaho


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Me neither but that's what was on the ground close to where we all were. I remember it clearly, it was one of those jesus christ moments. I didn't see anyone shooting up but must have been a gang of them.

    How many needles we talking?


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    #8370
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 28,120 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    hetuzozaho wrote: »
    How many needles we talking?

    It was a lot, not just one or two, it was a few meters from where we were standing during the gig. Maybe it was something else in them or someone dropped a box. It hasn't crossed my mind in 15yrs until that picture of all the nox on the ground.


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    #8371
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users Posts: 7,278 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Wake me up I'm dreaming.

    Last 3 pages are surely a dream.


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