Coronavirus in Limerick City

snowcat · 19-09-2020 9:34pm

Cordell wrote: »

Yes, these viruses are spreading exponentially, this is how they work.
We will move on eventually, well, most of us anyway.

Does anyone know what exponentially means? The r number is an exponential number. It means if your case number is 100 and your r number is 1.2 your cases the following day will be 120. This is not how the virus is progressing in any country.

19-09-2020 9:39pm

Parabellum9 wrote: »

953k deaths would say otherwise.

Isn’t the line there that they’re old or sick so feck them? Expendable apparently.

snowcat · 19-09-2020 9:43pm

Parabellum9 wrote: »

953k deaths would say otherwise.

Ah come on this is getting ridiculous at this stage. There is 350k people getting infected every day. And those are the ones with symptoms. There is possibly 10x that not being tested. Of those maybe 5k worldwide die. We have a lot bigger problems that are being ignored.

Cordell · 19-09-2020 9:45pm

snowcat wrote: »

Does anyone know what exponentially means? The r number is an exponential number. It means if your case number is 100 and your r number is 1.2 your cases the following day will be 120. This is not how the virus is progressing in any country.

Pretty much all the first waves in all countries followed an exponential growth, and most of the second waves are also exponential. On a day by day basis may look flat but in reality it's still exponential, except that for Ireland and a few other countries the exponent is lower now.

Parabellum9 · 19-09-2020 9:46pm

snowcat wrote: »

Ah come on this is getting ridiculous at this stage. There is 350k people getting infected every day. And those are the ones with symptoms. There is possibly 10x that not being tested. Of those maybe 5k worldwide die. We have a lot bigger problems that are being ignored.

The problem is that those not “dying” or showing symptoms of it could very well be in contact with someone it would drop like a stone. That’s the horror of this virus. We can downplay it all we want in “it’s only killing this much or infecting that much” but the fact is it IS killing.

snowcat · 19-09-2020 9:49pm

Cordell wrote: »

Pretty much all the first waves in all countries followed an exponential growth, and most of the second waves are also exponential. On a day by day basis may look flat but in reality it's still exponential, except that for Ireland and a few other countries the exponent is lower now.

Yes considering there was no capability or capacity to test. That has changed now. Ireland had no idea or comprehension of what was happening at the early stages of the pandemic. They do now. The early testing figures of the situation here are pie in the sky.

snowcat · 19-09-2020 9:53pm

Parabellum9 wrote: »

The problem is that those not “dying” or showing symptoms of it could very well be in contact with someone it would drop like a stone. That’s the horror of this virus. We can downplay it all we want in “it’s only killing this much or infecting that much” but the fact is it IS killing.

It is killing. But so is so many other ilnesses. We need to move from Covid is the only killer and everything else is a lesser killer.

Parabellum9 · 19-09-2020 9:57pm

snowcat wrote: »

It is killing. But so is so many other ilnesses. We need to move from Covid is the only killer and everything else is a lesser killer.

Yes we need to be cognisant that there are other illnesses that will cause deaths (missed cancers etc) but none of them are contagious to the extent this is. You can’t willingly pass heart disease to an older person but you could potentially pass covid which may kill them.

Cordell · 19-09-2020 9:57pm

Killing is not the main concern anyway.
The main concern is its potential to overwhelm the health system by both overcrowding and sick staff, which already happened in some countries.

snowcat · 19-09-2020 10:01pm

Cordell wrote: »

Killing is not the main concern anyway.
The main concern is its potential to overwhelm the health system by both overcrowding and sick staff, which already happened in some countries.

Which countries?

Parabellum9 · 19-09-2020 10:03pm

snowcat wrote: »

Which countries?

Italy??? Spain??

snowcat · 19-09-2020 10:10pm

Parabellum9 wrote: »

Italy??? Spain??

Did we not have a lockdown so we could prepare for that eventuality?

Parabellum9 · 19-09-2020 10:17pm

snowcat wrote: »

Did we not have a lockdown so we could prepare for that eventuality?

You asked which countries had their health systems overwhelmed?

snowcat · 19-09-2020 10:25pm

Parabellum9 wrote: »

You asked which countries had their health systems overwhelmed?

Im not sure about countries but definitely Bergamo as an area in italy had an issue. Madrid in Spain. New York in the USA. Im struggling after that. Oh ya London and Dublin

bigpink · 19-09-2020 11:08pm

Walked past the Commercial last night sounded very lively

SNNUS · 19-09-2020 11:23pm

bigpink wrote: »

Walked past the Commercial last night sounded very lively

Ok

James McNulty · 19-09-2020 11:41pm

bigpink wrote: »

Walked past the Commercial last night sounded very lively

It's a well known fact that that Pub was closed by the Gardaí twice during lockdown.

breezy1985 · 20-09-2020 12:08am

James McNulty wrote: »

It's a well known fact that that Pub was closed by the Gardaí twice during lockdown.

I didnt know that

bigpink · 20-09-2020 12:42am

Well the previous pub was well known for after hours .Unless they are open doing food didn't seem like it

adaminho · 20-09-2020 8:15am

bigpink wrote: »

Walked past the Commercial last night sounded very lively

Feile Na Greine were recording in a few venues in town last night.

https://twitter.com/mothermacspub/status/1307430988264484865

James McNulty wrote: »

It's a well known fact that that Pub was closed by the Gardaí twice during lockdown.

That's the first I heard of it and I'm in the trade.

breezy1985 · 20-09-2020 8:31am

adaminho wrote: »

Feile Na Greine were recording in a few venues in town last night.

https://twitter.com/mothermacspub/status/1307430988264484865

That's the first I heard of it and I'm in the trade.

"well known fact" is a frequently misused statement. If the Gardai have shut them down twice I doubt they will be allowed open on Monday

iguana · 20-09-2020 10:45am

snowcat wrote: »

It is killing. But so is so many other ilnesses. We need to move from Covid is the only killer and everything else is a lesser killer.

If Covid runs unchecked it will in a matter of months overwhelm our healthcare system. And then all of those other potential killers become certain killers because our healthcare system has been crippled and we can no longer treat what used to be treatable. And if you are worried about the mental health implications of social distancing and lockdowns, then just imagine the mental health implications of realising our healthcare system is in ruins, people are dying in large numbers of previously treatable illness and injuries, while at the same time, at night you can hear the trucks are removing the bodies of the elderly and otherwise vulnerable who have succumbed to Covid.

There are no good options in the midst of a pandemic with an IFR of the currently seeming 0.62% that Covid has. Until we have a reliable treatment or effective vaccine (which will be soon) we can't pretend this isn't happening and suffer no consequences. There are only least worst options. All we can do is choose which option will do the least damage and hopefully do that.

bazz26 · 20-09-2020 11:37am

Selfishness and ignorance is what will inflame the second wave.

bigpink · 20-09-2020 12:38pm

All I know we walked last around half 11 and could hear the chatter of a busy pub

James Bond Junior · 20-09-2020 7:25pm

I had a senior doctor of the local equivalent of the Mater in my office today. Cases are pretty bad and he tells me they are just about keeping a lid on it. The complications being caused are awful, hyper thrombosis/massive embolisms/haemorrhaging, air leaks into body cavities, among other complications. The issue is not the amount of cases but the absolutely horrific complications arising which are so far wide in different people meaning treating patients is requiring huge amounts of time and resources.

snowcat · 20-09-2020 7:43pm

James Bond Junior wrote: »

I had a senior doctor of the local equivalent of the Mater in my office today. Cases are pretty bad and he tells me they are just about keeping a lid on it. The complications being caused are awful, hyper thrombosis/massive embolisms/haemorrhaging, air leaks into body cavities, among other complications. The issue is not the amount of cases but the absolutely horrific complications arising which are so far wide in different people meaning treating patients is requiring huge amounts of time and resources.

I met a senior doctor in the local equivalent of the Mater last week. He informed me they had no one in ICU with Covid. This is a hospital serving 400k people. Id love to know where this senior doctor is finding these critically ill patients (who dont seem to be dying) with all these terrible afflictions when there is 16 people in ICU in a country of 5 million people.

James Bond Junior · 20-09-2020 7:52pm

snowcat wrote: »

I met a senior doctor in the local equivalent of the Mater last week. He informed me they had no one in ICU with Covid. This is a hospital serving 400k people. Id love to know where this senior doctor is finding these critically ill patients (who dont seem to be dying) with all these terrible afflictions when there is 16 people in ICU in a country of 5 million people.

Sure. Muscat, Oman. Sultan's Armed Forces Hospital.

Countrywide there were 1722 cases this weekend and 28 deaths. 554 current admissions and 172 ICU admissions. Population is circa 4 million and the incidence rate is around 7% of the population. Lockdown wasn't done properly here and social distancing is culturally non existent. Btw, testing isn't done unless you are symptomatic in this country and even at that unless you are in a bad way you're told go home, take paracetamol and isolate for a fortnight, no test. And just because I didn't mention people dying in my post doesn't equate to nobody dying.

Here are the co-ordinates just for you Snowcat, so you CAN find it.
23.5746273, 58.2074118

snowcat · 20-09-2020 8:04pm

James Bond Junior wrote: »

Sure. Muscat, Oman. Sultan's Armed Forces Hospital.

Countrywide there were 1722 cases this weekend and 28 deaths. 554 current admissions and 172 ICU admissions. Population is circa 4 million and the incidence rate is around 7% of the population. Lockdown wasn't done properly here and social distancing is culturally non existent. Btw, testing isn't done unless you are symptomatic in this country and even at that unless you are in a bad way you're told go home, take paracetamol and isolate for a fortnight, no test. And just because I didn't mention people dying in my post doesn't equate to nobody dying.

For f sake. Could you not highlight that at the start of your post. Are you actually in Oman or just pulling figures off Worldometers? They are showing less than 8 deaths a day off said Worldometers. Hardly stack them in the corriders stuff. Its ****e like this that creates panic and fear.

ChewBerecca · 20-09-2020 8:09pm

snowcat wrote: »

For f sake. Could you not highlight that at the start of your post. Are you actually in Oman or just pulling figures off Worldometers? They are showing less than 8 deaths a day off said Worldometers. Hardly stack them in the corriders stuff. Its ****e like this that creates panic and fear.

Nope, ****e like that is happening in Ireland as well.

My cousin is a radiographer in one of the biggest hospitals in Dublin, they've seen people come in post-covid who were perfectly healthy, in peak physical fitness before falling ill, with holes in their hearts after covid. They've seen people who used to run 5k on their lunch break, barely able to function for several weeks without help.

Keep your head in the sand if you feel like it, the rest of us will take this seriously to protect you and your family.

James Bond Junior · 20-09-2020 8:09pm

snowcat wrote: »

For f sake. Could you not highlight that at the start of your post. Are you actually in Oman or just pulling figures off Worldometers? They are showing less than 8 deaths a day off said Worldometers. Hardly stack them in the corriders stuff. Its ****e like this that creates panic and fear.

I live in Oman. I'm going by the official Covid app. It's called Tarrasud. Feel free to Google it. And btw, I deal with doctors on a weekly basis, I'm principal of a large private school, doctor's children make up a sizable portion of our student body and they all say the same thing, they are being hammered at the moment.

Coronavirus in Limerick City

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