Nvidia RTX Discussion

Bungusbeefcake wrote: »

Hi,

The PCB for the 3080 and 3090 are the same custom PCB. The number of RAM slots on the front should add up to 12, with 2 unused for the 3080 and all in use for the 3090, the main difference is that the 3090 is using double sided mounting. This was done historically but hasn't been done for a while by Nvidia but they seem to have moved back to this to save space. The 3080 20GB variant would just have to have the same 2 sided installation, so it's totally possible to have a 20 GB one. Heck, if you could get your hands on the RAM and were a magician with PCBs and soldering you could turn your 3080 10 GB into 24GB, but you would still have the 320bit architecture. Not the 384-bit bus.

Micron hints 16Gb/2GB chips: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/micron-reveals-gddr6x-details-the-future-of-memory-or-a-proprietary-dram

The 384-bit but width implies 12 chips, and obviously 320 implies 10. The unused chip pads are probably backed up by defective or disabled memory controller chip channels, so just soldering a chip there will not work.

ZOTAC received over 20,000 preorders yesterday on Amazon

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

The demand for this card is a bit mental, I'm having trouble with understanding the why. I never would have though there were this many sharks in the water willing to spend 700 quid on a gfx card.

That is probably already half of the overall demand for this generation.

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Due to the COVID lockdown I've barely spent a dime on takeout coffee, lunch, pubs or public transport for most of the year.

Even being out of a job, I could buy a 3090 tomorrow & not even touch my savings account.

Been opposite for me, finding myself spending more on junk and more broke because of it through lock down - But ... I have been keeping up with bills a bit better, that'll be a big chunk of it, and I did buy a new PC and phone ... but if I was still working I'd have managed all that and more. Starting back next week thankfully, going a bit stir crazy! I'll give it a few weeks to settle back in but then i am treating myself F it ... I see a 1440p monitor in the not too distant future for starters

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

The demand for this card is a bit mental, I'm having trouble with understanding the why. I never would have though there were this many sharks in the water willing to spend 700 quid on a gfx card.

grogi wrote: »

That is probably already half of the overall demand for this generation.

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Due to the COVID lockdown I've barely spent a dime on takeout coffee, lunch, pubs or public transport for most of the year.

Even being out of a job, I could buy a 3090 tomorrow & not even touch my savings account.

Yeah probably a combination of all of the above - there are a lot of people who either managed to save money or haven't bought anything (nor been on holidays and such) basically looking for an "excuse" to buy something expensive.

Also, I wouldn't underestimate the volume added by all the scalpers; We've seen individuals managing to order 40+ cards using bots. This is all artificial demand that might or might not have come from the interested public.

dreamers75 wrote: »

Leaked 3090 review, make of it what you want.

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-teclab-review-leaked/

I wasn't expecting much of the 3090 in fairness. Just looking at the specs it's not that much better in terms of CUDA cores. I'm sure in semi professional applications the memory badwidth and edge in cores will help but I wasn't expecting more than 15% in games. I think you'd have to be mad buying the 3090 for gaming unless you're doing something mad like multiple 4K displays given the price difference and potential 20GB 3080s.

Nedved85 wrote: »

Do overclockers charge the full amount for a pre order?

They sure do.

Nedved85 wrote: »

Do overclockers charge the full amount for a pre order?

Haven't been charged yet for my pre-order with them

MiskyBoyy wrote: »

You must be one of the only ones. Reddit is full of people complaining about their scummy tactics.

I myself went to pre-order one with them but had my revolut card frozen just to see, and they tried to take the full amount. Even tho it could be months before they deliver.

I'd rather they take the money honestly. Stop me from spending it in the mean time. I'm sure the money will be taken in the next day or two. Wish they'd hurry up and ship the case I ordered 10 days ago though

It makes more sense to take the money right away and figure it out afterwards.

I'll go a slight step further and say it's good they increased the prices a bit aswell. They have a massive amount of orders over MRSP, this will give the retailer stronger purchasing power and compete against other retailers and still provide decent profits. Since now they know they have orders secured already. If they don't get units quick, more and more cancel and will wait for AMD launch for more competition.

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Hyzepher wrote: »

With those recent 3090 leaked benchmarks its hard to see how any card released between the 3080 and 3090 could be worth it, for gaming. The prospect of 8k gaming is at least another generation away so I can't see how that's a thing.

People might prefer a 20G 3080 for some type of furture proofing but that's probably going to come in around the €1200 mark - especially AIB models, and I'm not really sure 20G is going to make any difference.

Totally agree. I don't see any real advantage to having more vram, especially 20GB, unless your workload requires it. Gaming simply won't need that much, even at 4K. VRAM speed is far more important for performance overall.

Pricing on the 3090 is simply horrible. It's really aimed at those that absolutely need the VRAM and can't go lower. A 3080 with 20GB will most likely be priced over €1000, offer not performance increase over the 3080 10GB. The no idea that is future proofing makes no sense to me. Developers won't suddenly start pushing more VRAM usage as they still have to aim at the middle. Designing a game and levels around higher VRAM would ruin the game on the majority of gamers setups. Console's might be a concern since they have 16GB, but OS and other factors are in play there, so not all is available to the developer.

Ultimately, I feel more than comfortable with a 10GB card, and I think Nvidia have ruined hype for any 3080Ti/super, since it will again fall in the middle of a 10-percent jump.

What wrecks my head with Nvidia is their blatant anti-consumer allocation of vram based purely on their status as market leader, knowing that the inevitable upgrade will likely lead to another Nvidia purchase.

They could easily, so easily, allocate the cards better vram, but clearly their long-term strategy was beat down AMD - which they largely did - and then go into cruise control, artificially limiting GPU longevity to secure future purchases.

I wish :rolleyes:

BloodBath wrote: »

It's rumored the ti or super versions will be switching over to TSMC's 7nm process so there may well be room for more performance than the 3090.

It's possible, but more performance for a TI over the more expensive 3090. We would be looking at least a year a way.

TheChrisD wrote: »

Given it's a lower price point than the previous gen, a massive leap in power over the previous gen, and there's still people out there (like me) with a 900 seires or 10 series card looking to upgrade... it kinda makes sense, doesn't it?

Its a bit like talking to a person in a bad relationship, where the bad stuff is ok because the partner is really nice sometimes.

Nvidia has been inflating prices for a few generations now. This is the first time in 5 or 6 years that a new generation simply didn't come in at a higher price point. And even then, its over priced. This is the mid end card, the 3090 is the "high end" part.

First time in a long time that they will probably have some competition too.

I get that people like the idea of affordable cards again but the sheer panic around getting one right now is nuts.

errlloyd wrote: »

I find the "rebenchmarking" of premium card pricing really interesting. I have only rekindled my interest in Pc Gaming during Lockdown. But I wonder if any of you have any observations about how that has changed over the past 15 years or so?

It seems that a premium card would have been €250e at launch in 2005. Nvidia monopoly and an aging cohort of gamers with more money seems to have inflated that hugely. But the other aspects of a gaming build would have been more costly - for example Processors, MBoards and Ram have come down in price or stayed the same because they are also used by non gamers?

Is that perception correct?

Sort of. Volumes do make a difference and dedicated graphics sell nowhere near as much as the CPU's or dram modules do.

Graphics cards have been increasing in size, they are throwing more transistors at the problem every generation. Larger chips = more cost to manufacture.

They are bleeding edge for certain components, like ram. Increases cost.

They suck up power. Systems in general have been decreasing in power usage for a good while, meanwhile graphics cards float around 250-300 watts at the high end usually. Power usage = power stages + component's and more cost.

So I would expect some price creep. But its well known they Nvidias top end is pure profit at this stage(and the balance sheets show it). So the price creep has really been a lack of competition.

My 3080 from overclockers arrived today. Hopefully everyone elses ships soon.