Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Dionaibh · 19-09-2020 05:29PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Entitled much?

Were people entitled when they walked into the swimming pool before all of this?

Penfailed · 19-09-2020 05:34PM

Dionaibh wrote: »

Wear them in public

Yeah, indoors in shops. Most people don't outdoors in my experience.

dalyboy · 19-09-2020 05:35PM

Dionaibh wrote: »

Not yet, but I imagine most people do.

I wear a face covering (bandana) in shops because it’s mandatory and I don’t want the hassle from security or a fine slap , that’s the only reason.

If they make them mandatory to be worn outside / streets / beaches / parks then it’s off to Russia / Sweden/ Czech Republic I’m going as there is no way in hell Im going to accept that level of pseudoscience brainwashing in my life.

Penfailed · 19-09-2020 05:37PM

Dionaibh wrote: »

Were people entitled when they walked into the swimming pool before all of this?

'All of this' means you now have to book. The fact that you think you're above all that and shouldn't have to means, yeah...entitled. Perspective required. I get it...you think it's all a conspiracy to control the masses and Bill Gates is out to kill most people and microchip the rest. I think that you are wrong.

Jim Root · 19-09-2020 05:53PM

dalyboy wrote: »

I wear a face covering (bandana) in shops because it’s mandatory and I don’t want the hassle from security or a fine slap , that’s the only reason.

If they make them mandatory to be worn outside / streets / beaches / parks then it’s off to Russia / Sweden/ Czech Republic I’m going as there is no way in hell Im going to accept that level of pseudoscience brainwashing in my life.

See ya

Dionaibh · 19-09-2020 06:07PM

Penfailed wrote: »

'All of this' means you now have to book. The fact that you think you're above all that and shouldn't have to means, yeah...entitled. Perspective required. I get it...you think it's all a conspiracy to control the masses and Bill Gates is out to kill most people and microchip the rest. I think that you are wrong.

I don't think I'm above booking. I just think it's ridiculous. I never mentioned Bill Gates.

Dionaibh · 19-09-2020 06:08PM

dalyboy wrote: »

I wear a face covering (bandana) in shops because it’s mandatory and I don’t want the hassle from security or a fine slap , that’s the only reason.

If they make them mandatory to be worn outside / streets / beaches / parks then it’s off to Russia / Sweden/ Czech Republic I’m going as there is no way in hell Im going to accept that level of pseudoscience brainwashing in my life.

But isn't there a long list of exemptions there? Severe distress being one, if I'm not mistaken.

Russia is the place to be. Or living off the grid. Western Europe is horrible.

Penfailed · 19-09-2020 06:11PM

Dionaibh wrote: »

I never mentioned Bill Gates.

Not in this thread. You have mentioned him though.

Dionaibh · 19-09-2020 06:12PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Not in this thread. You have mentioned him though.

Yes, but why does that matter when I haven't mentioned him in this thread?

Penfailed · 19-09-2020 06:15PM

Dionaibh wrote: »

Yes, but why does that matter when I haven't mentioned him in this thread?

It doesn't really.

Dionaibh · 19-09-2020 06:16PM

Penfailed wrote: »

It doesn't really.

And I'm not against having to book a slot. I just think it's another annoying rule to make daily life even more depressing.

growleaves · 19-09-2020 06:27PM

Before NPHET re-shuttered the theatres in Dublin they were expecting theatre audiences to wear masks during the performance (unlike in cinemas).

I'd rather stay at home and read a playscript than sit through that.

Dionaibh · 19-09-2020 06:36PM

growleaves wrote: »

Before NPHET re-shuttered the theatres in Dublin they were expecting theatre audiences to wear masks during the performance (unlike in cinemas).

I'd rather stay at home and read a playscript than sit through that.

Are those people completely void of humanity? They seem to get a kick out of torturing people. Imagine wearing that hideous thing at the theatre.

walus · 19-09-2020 08:56PM

A stupid question: will Sweden have a second wave of covid? Why?

Silentcorner · 19-09-2020 09:16PM

Dionaibh wrote: »

Are those people completely void of humanity? They seem to get a kick out of torturing people. Imagine wearing that hideous thing at the theatre.

It's all nuts...

What I don't understand is how hand dryers in public bathrooms are ok...those things suck in air from the bathroom and blow it all over a punters hand... but sitting quietly near someone in a theatre is dangerous.

HBC08 · 19-09-2020 09:20PM

hmmm wrote: »

If I remember right from the start of the year our hospitals have some surge capacity and can create more beds.

Beds however are easy. Trained ICU staff can't be created in the space of months.

Presumably there would be some trained ICU staff in the 73000 people who answered to call to come home.

19-09-2020 09:48PM

The only positive about the Dublin lockdown is it will provide us with even more evidence that lockdown does NOT work.

Shame we had to destroy so many lives to see that hiding under the bed doesn’t make the virus go away.

Hego Damask · 19-09-2020 11:17PM

Posted this on main thread , but it's busy there so could get lost ... also some lunatic on my ignore list replied almost immediately with the usual drivel ...

So regarding vaccines, let's just assume by early next year they are massively rolling them out to the most vulnerable and front line workers.

Will the restrictions continue for the rest of us ? mask wearing, kids wearing masks at school, classes sent home for 2 weeks if a case is found / pubs closed .. etc ...or will they let the virus work through the non vulnerable population as in theory with vulnerable vaccinated hospitals won't get overwhelmed ?

And what about borders ? will summer 2021 be a write off regarding travel ?

FintanMcluskey · 19-09-2020 11:55PM

Hego Damask wrote: »

Posted this on main thread , but it's busy there so could get lost ... also some lunatic on my ignore list replied almost immediately with the usual drivel ...

So regarding vaccines, let's just assume by early next year they are massively rolling them out to the most vulnerable and front line workers.

Will the restrictions continue for the rest of us ? mask wearing, kids wearing masks at school, classes sent home for 2 weeks if a case is found / pubs closed .. etc ...or will they let the virus work through the non vulnerable population as in theory with vulnerable vaccinated hospitals won't get overwhelmed ?

And what about borders ? will summer 2021 be a write off regarding travel ?

It only makes sense to vaccinate the same people who would avail of the flu vaccine I would have thought?

I have spoken to people who are incredible diligent with the nonsense restrictions, but, they have said under no circumstances would they take a vaccine if it becomes available

Hego Damask · 20-09-2020 12:18AM

So , in theory they should lift the restrictions once a significant proportion of the vulnerable are vaccinated ?

20-09-2020 12:26AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

It only makes sense to vaccinate the same people who would avail of the flu vaccine I would have thought?

I have spoken to people who are incredible diligent with the nonsense restrictions, but, they have said under no circumstances would they take a vaccine if it becomes available

So you how spoken to people who are idiot anti-vaxers it would appear.

A vaccine is no good unless the vast majority of people get the vaccine.

Hego Damask wrote: »

So , in theory they should lift the restrictions once a significant proportion of the vulnerable are vaccinated ?

No, only if the vast majority of the population are vaccinated. Anyone who thinks only the vulnerable need to be vaccinated do not understand how vaccines work or they are anti-vax to some degree.

paw patrol · 20-09-2020 07:20AM

apologies , I posted then ran cos I was busy only see these responses now.

pjohnson wrote: »

So you still think "a few" = permanent?

Not suprised unfortunately.

you missed the next bit of the quote, "until something changes" in other words he doesn't know. There isn't a plan.

I think the restrictions are wrong for many reasons but I'd grumble and accept them if we had an exit plan and time-frame.
We don't have any exit plan or criteria to end restrictions - level 1 still has restrictions.
Leo mentioned a vaccine but that may never happen or could be years.

Penfailed wrote: »

A couple of years isn't permanent.

The effects will be as people will be effected by long term effects of these conditions esp the young having their formative years limiting contact with people and believing their very being is a weapon against granny's health.
You also commented that 10 years isn't permanent. In terms of development ,your life and society , it might as well be.

Del Griffith · 20-09-2020 07:34AM

walus wrote: »

A stupid question: will Sweden have a second wave of covid? Why?

No they won't. Only the early lockdown countries (that were patting themselves on the back in July) still have to face the music.

Sweden now have less daily cases then their neighbours despite a significantly higher population.

paw patrol · 20-09-2020 07:43AM

KaneToad wrote: »

I think it's insanity to believe that NPHET have an ulterior motive. I think it's insanity to ignore the science/facts because you don't like them.

Do I think NPHET have ulterior motives? I don't know. But I believe they have a superiority or savior complex.

It isn't helped that to escape political accountability the former Taoiseach handed them the reins for the country which has now continued under Michael Martin.

NPHET believe they are right and now have the power to inflict their views on us despite being unelected. They decide this virus is worth killing the country for and we must suck it up. They decide many things and there is no counter to them. They pretty much rule by decree. In fact, perhaps not their call, but we see dissenters within their field silenced quite viciously too. This is tyrannical.

Our decision making and personal risk assessment have been removed from us by this unelected body to massive effect. That is my gripe about them.

I suspect that because within 6 months, they are now the new rockstar super group, if that doesn't effect your psyche then you are a better man than me - and any other human. They have gone from being not well known to celebrities with the Dail, Media and public hanging and acting on their every utterance (and brain fart) as if it was gospel. I know I'd swagger about erect 24/7 with that level of adulation and unbridled control of the country.

Ninthlife · 20-09-2020 07:52AM

paw patrol wrote: »

Do I think NPHET have ulterior motives? I don't know. But I believe they have a superiority or savior complex.

It isn't helped that to escape political accountability the former Taoiseach handed them the reins for the country which has now continued under Michael Martin.

NPHET believe they are right and now have the power to inflict their views on us despite being unelected. They decide this virus is worth killing the country and we must suck it up. They decide many things and there is no counter to them. They pretty much rule by decree. In fact, perhaps not their call, but we see dissenters within their field silenced quite viciously too. This is tyrannical.

Our decision making and personal risk assessment have been removed from us by this unelected body to massive effect. That is my gripe about them.

I suspect that because within 6 months they are now the new rockstar super group, if that doesn't effect your psyche then you are a better man than me - and any other human. They have gone from be not well known to celebrities with the Dail, Media and public hanging and acting on their every utterance (and brain fart) as if it was gospel. I know I'd swagger about erect 24/7 with that level of adulation and unbridled control of the country.

You do know they only make recommendations and its up to the Government whether to act on the advice or not.

walus · 20-09-2020 07:52AM

Deleted User wrote: »

The only positive about the Dublin lockdown is it will provide us with even more evidence that lockdown does NOT work.

Shame we had to destroy so many lives to see that hiding under the bed doesn’t make the virus go away.

Pity that nphet don’t know that yet. They see the number of cases go up but they do not have the clue why. So it is the blind man in the fog situation - banning travel (I know they didn’t’ really, but the court will say to the contrary), now the community transmission and additional restrictions. They are setting us up for yet another blanket style lockdown leading to Christmas. I’m yet to see the so called “experts” come out and say “ we don’t know”. They normally pretend that they do in fact know for as long as that keeps them in the driving seat.

And, no, there is no such thing as a second or subsequent waves. There is only one wave as Sweden’s case shows. Spikes in cases come from lockdowns. More lockdowns - more ”waves”. Lockdowns only push the cases out in time.

Current government strategy assumes a vaccine becomes available next year. They are in for a big disappointment I’d say.

paw patrol · 20-09-2020 08:02AM

Ninthlife wrote: »

You do know they only make recommendations and its up to the Government whether to act on the advice or not.

really? I'd hate to call you naive.
The previous administration they pretty much said they defer to NPHET which has been most of the lockdown.

Anyway I dealt with that point by stating my belief that Leo has absolved himself of all blame because

if we win , he will say "i am great, I hired NPHET"

if it goes tits up he will say "I hired NPHET, they are the experts. Whats a Taoiseach to do? BTW I am great"

This is Leo, along with decent speaking skills and good PR.

ThunbergsAreGo · 20-09-2020 08:06AM

Ninthlife wrote: »

You do know they only make recommendations and its up to the Government whether to act on the advice or not.

Its very hard for the Government.

Reject anything from NPHET and its "not doing X despite medical advice cost lives"

Look at Trump etc.

uli84 · 20-09-2020 08:13AM

walus wrote: »

And, no, there is no such thing as a second or subsequent waves. There is only one wave as Sweden’s case shows. Spikes in cases come from lockdowns. More lockdowns - more ”waves”.

Spikes in cases come from lockdowns - This is so obvious and evident and logical that it hurts. When will they cop on.

Captain_Crash · 20-09-2020 08:17AM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

A vaccine is no good unless the vast majority of people get the vaccine

If that were the case, many of the vaccines that already exist are of no use then! Isn’t there only about a 20% uptake on the flu vaccine? Does that mean it’s useless?

Ninthlife wrote: »

You do know they only make recommendations and its up to the Government whether to act on the advice or not.

To quote MM this week “NPHET retain discretion” he has told the country that whatever they say goes, so while in theory they only advise, in practice they dictate!

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings