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How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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  • #7922
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Peter Flynt wrote: »
    Er. . . they work in hospitals. It's part of the deal to work with the sick and infected.

    Is it part of the deal for retail shop workers to work with the infected? Child care workers? Workers in factories where social distancing isn't possible?

    Why are teachers different?


  • #7923
    Peter Flynt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Is it part of the deal for retail shop workers to work with the infected? Child care workers? Why are teachers different?

    Kids are sitting in classrooms infected and the HSE are not testing close contacts.

    If that is the case for retail shop workers or child care workers then their representatives should work on it.


  • #7924
    Will Yam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Will Yam


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Is it part of the deal for retail shop workers to work with the infected? Child care workers? Workers in factories where social distancing isn't possible?

    Why are teachers different?

    Be very careful. Any question as to why teachers are different will result in you being branded as a “teacher hater”


  • #7925
    Smacruairi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭Smacruairi


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Is it part of the deal for retail shop workers to work with the infected? Child care workers? Workers in factories where social distancing isn't possible?

    Why are teachers different?

    Because all those places have massive restrictions on who they serve, where they open, how many people they can have etc. We have 30ppl in a room no bigger than 50m2, don't at all adhere to recommendations along the various levels that were implemented.

    Why is this so hard for you? Are you working from home?


  • #7926
    JJJackal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭JJJackal


    Peter Flynt wrote: »
    It is . . . and they are legally entitled to do so in a safe working environment.
    Take your hatred up with your lawyer.

    I have no hatred.

    Teachers should teach. They have been fully protected and paid since March.

    If they are not willing to teach they should go on unpaid leave.

    Unfortunately, children always carry bugs and viruses. It will never be possible to work in a 100% safe environment if you teach children. 5 year olds won't wear masks, wash hands etc.


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  • #7927
    Peter Flynt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    Will Yam wrote: »
    Be very careful. Any question as to why teachers are different will result in you being branded as a “teacher hater”

    Will Yam from politics.ie . . . You had about 5 or 6 accounts over there . . all posting hatred about teachers.

    What a life you've led.

    :D


  • #7928
    byhookorbycrook
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,549 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Is it part of the deal for retail shop workers to work with the infected? Child care workers? Workers in factories where social distancing isn't possible?

    Why are teachers different?

    30 children in a closed space for over 5 hours make it “ different.”


  • #7929
    Will Yam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Will Yam


    Peter Flynt wrote: »
    Kids are sitting in classrooms infected and the HSE are not testing close contacts.

    If that is the case for retail shop workers or child care workers then their representatives should work on it.

    The retail shop workers did their best and got on with it under very difficult circumstances.

    They didn’t demand absolute guarantees that every shopper would,be Covid free.


  • #7930
    JJJackal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭JJJackal


    Peter Flynt wrote: »
    Kids are sitting in classrooms infected and the HSE are not testing close contacts.

    If that is the case for retail shop workers or child care workers then their representatives should work on it.

    Healthcare staff are not tested everyday...


  • #7931
    Will Yam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Will Yam


    JJJackal wrote: »
    I have no hatred.

    Teachers should teach. They have been fully protected and paid since March.

    If they are not willing to teach they should go on unpaid leave.

    Unfortunately, children always carry bugs and viruses. It will never be possible to work in a 100% safe environment if you teach children. 5 year olds won't wear masks, wash hands etc.

    I wonder how quick Asti would,be to stop working if they had to go on covid payments?


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  • #7932
    Smacruairi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭Smacruairi


    Will Yam wrote: »
    The retail shop workers did their best and got on with it under very difficult circumstances.

    They didn’t demand absolute guarantees that every shopper would,be Covid free.

    You keep peddling this line, and yet here we are back to work. And when the HSE then change their protocols around close contacts, you don't stop and go "yeah that's probs fair enough" you just double down.

    Why are hospitals restricting the amount of people in the building. Why are restaurants closed?

    Then why were schools not allowed to alter the school day, why were they not given more allowances to massively increase staff numbers. Until you answer those, it's all nonsense from you


  • #7933
    Peter Flynt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    Smacruairi wrote: »
    You keep peddling this line, and yet here we are back to work. And when the HSE then change their protocols around close contacts, you don't stop and go "yeah that's probs fair enough" you just double down.

    Why are hospitals restricting the amount of people in the building. Why are restaurants closed?

    Then why were schools not allowed to alter the school day, why were they not given more allowances to massively increase staff numbers. Until you answer those, it's all nonsense from you

    Will Yam is a troll who, frankly, would take pleasure from the deaths of teachers.
    That's not an exaggeration.


  • #7934
    Will Yam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Will Yam


    Smacruairi wrote: »
    You keep peddling this line, and yet here we are back to work. And when the HSE then change their protocols around close contacts, you don't stop and go "yeah that's probs fair enough" you just double down.

    Why are hospitals restricting the amount of people in the building. Why are restaurants closed?

    Then why were schools not allowed to alter the school day, why were they not given more allowances to massively increase staff numbers. Until you answer those, it's all nonsense from you

    Hospitals are restricting people to reduce risk. Restaurants are closed to reduce risk.

    And I don’t know why the things you claim didn’t happen. Maybe it had something to do with the ludicrous “demand” from asti that teachers be given the guarantee that they would be Covid free?

    It would be hard to take any suggestion from a group that made such a demand anyway seriously.


  • #7935
    Will Yam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Will Yam


    Peter Flynt wrote: »
    Will Yam is a troll who, frankly, would take pleasure from the deaths of teachers.
    That's not an exaggeration.

    And you are one nasty Sh1t for making such a suggestion.


  • #7936
    Peter Flynt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    Will Yam wrote: »
    And you are one nasty Sh1t for making such a suggestion.

    It's the truth.


  • #7937
    Smacruairi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭Smacruairi


    Will Yam wrote: »
    Hospitals are restricting people to reduce risk. Restaurants are closed to reduce risk.

    And I don’t know why the things you claim didn’t happen. Maybe it had something to do with the ludicrous “demand” from asti that teachers be given the guarantee that they would be Covid free?

    It would be hard to take any suggestion from a group that made such a demand anyway seriously.

    What official demand did we make on that.please show me where we didn't just ask for the same safety requirements that exist in every other place of work.

    You want to reduce risk in hospitals.. And restaurants... But not schools. Why


  • #7938
    niamh247
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭niamh247


    byhookorbycrook wrote: »
    30 children in a closed space for over 5 hours make it “ different.”

    Not only that. Kids are moved from room to room for different subjects, thus thoroughly mixing everyone.

    Nonsensical arguments were put forth justifying the opening of schools. "Risk of keeping schools is more than risk of virus" "we are opening schools to ensure physical safety of children" What kind of logic is that? Schools are becoming the central exchanges for virus to spread into house-holds. How is this less risky than keeping schools closed? What exactly is the "risk" in keeping schools closed? How is closure of schools means lack of physical safety for children? None of this makes any sense to me.


  • #7939
    Will Yam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Will Yam


    Peter Flynt wrote: »
    It's the truth.

    To say that anyone would take pleasure in anyone dying is a despicable suggestion.

    If you can’t debate an issue without descending into the gutter you shouldn’t debate.

    I do hope you’re not a teacher and that our kids are not exposed to such bitterness.


  • #7940
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,445 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Peter Flynt wrote: »
    They're getting infected so should be wearing them.

    Tell that to the government.

    I agree, 5th class up should be instructed to wear them indoors.


  • #7941
    Will Yam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Will Yam


    Smacruairi wrote: »
    What official demand did we make on that.please show me where we didn't just ask for the same safety requirements that exist in every other place of work.

    You want to reduce risk in hospitals.. And restaurants... But not schools. Why

    Are you suggesting that Asti never demanded that they be given a guarantee of Covid free?


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  • #7942
    Peter Flynt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    Will Yam wrote: »
    To say that anyone would take pleasure in anyone dying is a despicable suggestion.

    If you can’t debate an issue without descending into the gutter you shouldn’t debate.

    I do hope you’re not a teacher and that our kids are not exposed to such bitterness.

    Your track record is there for all to see.

    You've earned it.


  • #7943
    dubrov
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,695 ✭✭✭dubrov


    Peter Flynt wrote: »
    Will Yam is a troll who, frankly, would take pleasure from the deaths of teachers.
    That's not an exaggeration.

    Post the link or stop bad-mouthing Yam


  • #7944
    Will Yam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Will Yam


    niamh247 wrote: »
    Not only that. Kids are moved from room to room for different subjects, thus thoroughly mixing everyone.

    Nonsensical arguments were put forth justifying the opening of schools. "Risk of keeping schools is more than risk of virus" "we are opening schools to ensure physical safety of children" What kind of logic is that? Schools are becoming the central exchanges for virus to spread into house-holds. How is this less risky than keeping schools closed? What exactly is the "risk" in keeping schools closed? How is closure of schools means lack of physical safety for children? None of this makes any sense to me.

    Are you suggesting that all schools should be shut, and if so for how long?


  • #7945
    JJJackal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭JJJackal


    niamh247 wrote: »
    Not only that. Kids are moved from room to room for different subjects, thus thoroughly mixing everyone.

    Nonsensical arguments were put forth justifying the opening of schools. "Risk of keeping schools is more than risk of virus" "we are opening schools to ensure physical safety of children" What kind of logic is that? Schools are becoming the central exchanges for virus to spread into house-holds. How is this less risky than keeping schools closed? What exactly is the "risk" in keeping schools closed? How is closure of schools means lack of physical safety for children? None of this makes any sense to me.

    The risk of keeping schools closed includes limiting their social development, hindering educational progression and learning and limiting physical activity.

    If children don't have interactions with children their own age (already 6 months) how will they grow and develop into healthy adults.

    Unfortunately, school is a key part of childcare too


  • #7946
    Smacruairi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭Smacruairi


    Will Yam wrote: »
    Are you suggesting that all schools should be shut, and if so for how long?

    Schools should be operating in the same conditions as any other business.

    Why do you want to mitigate risk in restaurants and hospitals but not schools.


  • #7947
    Smacruairi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭Smacruairi


    JJJackal wrote: »
    The risk of keeping schools closed includes limiting their social development, hindering educational progression and learning and limiting physical activity.

    If children don't have interactions with children their own age (already 6 months) how will they grow and develop into healthy adults.

    Unfortunately, school is a key part of childcare too

    I agree. So why can't this childcare occur under the same conditions as other businesses. Simple question really.


  • #7948
    Will Yam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Will Yam


    Smacruairi wrote: »
    Schools should be operating in the same conditions as any other business.

    Why do you want to mitigate risk in restaurants and hospitals but not schools.

    I believe the risk should be mitigated in schools.

    But it can’t be eliminated. It’s not eliminated in retail shops or anywhere else


  • #7949
    Smacruairi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭Smacruairi


    Will Yam wrote: »
    I believe the risk should be mitigated in schools.

    But it can’t be eliminated. It’s not eliminated in retail shops or anywhere else

    I agree. Shops and businesses are mitigating risk. Schools are not allowed to by having the same classes as before. So you'll join me in demanding better conditions for students and teachers in schools right? No one wants schools fully closed. No one thinks that the disease can be totally eliminated yet. Everyone is entitled to a safe working environment, and a safe environment to learn.

    So again, why do hospitals and restaurants have restrictions but schools don't.


  • #7950
    JJJackal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭JJJackal


    Smacruairi wrote: »
    I agree. So why can't this childcare occur under the same conditions as other businesses. Simple question really.

    Primary and secondary school education is by and large not a business.

    Non essential businesses although enjoyable and akey part of society such as bars need only operate when they can keep the risk as close to 0 as possible.

    Education is essential- this is clear - it allows us to value society diversity and all the rest I have outlined. Essential activities such as education need to operate to mitigate the risk.

    Businesses you speak of also don't involve very young children. I am not sure if masks on a 5 year old would be more of a hazard or a benefit


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  • #7951
    niamh247
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭niamh247


    Will Yam wrote: »
    Are you suggesting that all schools should be shut, and if so for how long?

    I'm suggesting to move the schools online until we figure out this virus better, as is being done in other sensible countries. I don't see why this can't be done.


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